Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[lightning f57]

For as long as Pakistan cannot break the begging bowl(cheap loans, IMF bailouts, and "foreign remittances") and fixes its own local economy with real organic growth, it's chain will always be yanked by its masters ( hard on the nose for Pakistani's but true ). I would ignore his statement, I am sure Iranian leadership did, they know the deal.

They do indeed know the deal, well said.

 

[Ali_Baba]

US trying to protect itself from its war crimes.

I read that, "as there will be a lot lot lot of new wars to come, new crimes of colonialism, new genocides to commit and the USA does not want the law to get in the way of it ..."

 

[UberShock]

@Immortals @Persian Gulf

 

[lightning f57]

I read that, "as there will be a lot lot lot of new wars to come, new crimes of colonialism, new genocides to commit and the USA does not want the law to get in the way of it ..."

Basically any US soldier who has been involved in war crimes on holiday in a country that accepts the ICC authority could in theory be arrested and put on trial. This is what Rubio is trying to protect against.

The US is unwinding the rules based order established after WW2, its morally showing itself to be so corrupt with some of the scummiest leaders around, its allies are seeing a greedy unreliable partner who wants to take more territory (Greenland). These are signs of a decaying empire.

 

[krash]

What he expects is irrelevant, all that matters is what was agreed in the MOU.

This 10000%, an agreement was made and it was decided hostilities would stop. The Memorandum of MISUNDERSTANDING was doomed from the start! Also ISRAEL is POS nation that has been lighting fires in the region and expecting Washington to bail them out when the shit hits the fan.

Anyone can be TEN MEN when they have a nuclear superpower backing them.

Ok. Now what?

Even if you disregard explicit Iranian statements that their attack was about the Strait and not Lebanon, who did this escalation serve? What did Iran gain from it? Did it stop Lebanon from being bombed? Or did it resume the US attacks, sanctions, and blockade on Iran? Will this argument stop the Americans or the Israelis? Did we expect that the world would let Iranian attacks on merchant vessels to further its geopolitical aims become status quo? Iran is not powerful enough. It keeps leverage by allowing safe passage while holding the threat over it. It gets bombed and sanctioned by attacking merchant assets.

There's no point in pretending that this world is a level playing field.

 

[Immortals]

 

[FUB]

Marandi is a defacto spokesperson for the regime . I think his brother was Khomeini’s doctor.
Opening several minutes is all you need to hear. It is clear that the Americans are using the Gaza model by hitting civilian infrastructure. That is what is vassal occupied state does .

Iranian assets are all underground he says . They are brought out , fire, and removed .

The problem the Americans will have is that Iran is the size of Western Europe . They will run out ammunition long before anything effective occurs .

We can see they a bombed railway is back up in two days .

 

[Shags101]

No nukes were used on Iran. Complete fiction

Here’s something simple if America under Trump ever decided to use a nuclear weapon in this day and age one Iran would surrender because you can’t win against that but 2 if that did happen countries like china russia North Korea pakistan Israel and India wouldn’t hesitate to use theirs…….Trump is crazy and yes he filled up the pentagon with a bunch of yes men but never going to happen at least hopefully in my lifetime

 

[Master Chief]

Wrong! Iran cannot destroy US warships. Iran has tried for sure but those missiles / drones got intercepted.

This is war! You don't let you enemy bomb you day and night. and you say you are not even hitting their warships deliberately which are being used actively against Iran.

Iran badly needs deterrence. US is hitting Iran whenever it wants. Iran needs to have capability to destroy its warships OR the aircrafts that are airborne. Without air power and naval power its a daunting task but with modern and sophisticated land based missiles it can be possible.

The "bases" you hit already for 50 days. US is not stupid to deploy its military in those bases next to Iran while its having war with Iran. Iran did the damage whatever it could in first phase of war. Now hitting those bases over and over again is meaningless and is clearly not deterring US and its clearly not working. Iran needs capabilities to hit aircrafts and warships only that will bring deterrence and stop US from aggression.

Agree. It has always been the USAF and USN (and whatever air corps units the other services have) that have kept the foot on Iran's throat militarily. Iran would need some imaginative solutions.

Maybe a ground incursion could potentially play into Iranian hands, but US are holding off that for the time being.

 

[FUB]

There will door knocks will come soon . The drones hunting Americans in the streets of good old USA soon is around the corner . Never in history.

 

[Watandar]

Iran tolls in SoH bad but American fees in SoH good.

 

[Shags101]

Can’t be Jordanians said they took them all “out” looked a lot more than 4 by the way

 

[Master Chief]

He is unfortunately beholden to saudis and won't dare utter a word against them.

It's a treaty, a signed, ratified and notarised binding agreement, which we are correct to honour. It doesn't make a difference whether it's with KSA or anyone else. Certain nations do breach treaties depending on their mood - such behaviour is not in Pakistani interests.

I suppose the missing information here is the actual terms of the agreement, which we can only speculate on.

 

[FUB]

Can’t be Jordanians said they took them all “out” looked a lot more than 4 by the way

That base is toast . Ted Postal is proven to be right again . He says that the PAC 3 interception rate is less than 5%.

 

[SecularNationalist]

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@Kyussis @Persian Gulf
Strait of Hormuz leverage be gone in the coming years. Isreal and UAE working together on that. You still think you don't need nuclear weapons for avoiding the full ground invasion? Either get the nuclear weapons or don't let UAE develop that oil transport infrastructure. Whenever they start developing it send missiles and drones.