Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

this is a war against the world's military superpower, you don't win those, you only survive with a lot of damage (at best)

so the question is how to survive without total surrender or civil war / state collapse. you have to take risks and show balls, not try to respond in a calibrated fashion and engage in a war of attrition with a far more powerful enemy

Yes, I obviously agree with that. I am not talking about winning the war, I am talking about survival. If we cannot establish some red lines and some form of deterrence and they continue to hit our power plants, dams, medical supplies, LNG production sites, steel and aluminum factories, etc. we will have a complete state collapse in a short time, and it could very well be the end of Iran as well.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yes, I obviously agree with that. I am not talking about winning the war, I am talking about survival. If we cannot establish some red lines and some form of deterrence and they continue to hit our power plants, dams, medical supplies, LNG production sites, steel and aluminum factories, etc. we will have a complete state collapse in a short time, and it could very well be the end of Iran as well.

yes, these are dangerous times. industrialised countries can recover quicker than most people think, but better not to test that theory. IRGC is stuck between not wanting to escalate because it is playing a long oil game, and failing to establish deterrence as a result. I hope a better solution is pursued.

 

[VCheng]

Yes, I obviously agree with that. I am not talking about winning the war, I am talking about survival. If we cannot establish some red lines and some form of deterrence and they continue to hit our power plants, dams, medical supplies, LNG production sites, steel and aluminum factories, etc. we will have a complete state collapse in a short time, and it could very well be the end of Iran as well.

Despite any or all of that, I do not see any reason to end Iran as a state, for that would not achieve anything, for anybody.

Iran is here to stay. There should be no doubt that at all. Ever.

Only thing to work out, then, is how Iran interacts with others in the region, and that is a much more resolvable issue than considering destruction of the entire state.

 

[Shags101]

That sounds like our old friend _ARABIA_!

Actually nope and you behave yourself so stop you can be to much yourself no need pick a fight where there isn’t one you can disagree without being over the top behave good to have you back

 

[Persian Gulf]

Despite any or all of that, I do not see any reason to end Iran as a state, for that would not achieve anything, for anybody.

Iran is here to stay. There should be no doubt that at all. Ever.

Only thing to work out, then, is how Iran interacts with others in the region, and that is a much more resolvable issue than considering destruction of the entire state.

When the president of the USA threatens to end the Iranian civilisation, and then bombs Iranian bridges and water facilities, we have to take that threat seriously.

 

[ShapurII]

Despite any or all of that, I do not see any reason to end Iran as a state, for that would not achieve anything, for anybody.

Iran is here to stay. There should be no doubt that at all. Ever.

Only thing to work out, then, is how Iran interacts with others in the region, and that is a much more resolvable issue than considering destruction of the entire state.

You do realize that once a power plant is destroyed, it will take years for it to be reconstructed, right?

Iraq hasn't been able to reconstruct its power grid 23 years after the US invasion of Iraq. They're still importing electricity from us.

Once our vital civilian infrastructure is hit, millions of Iranians will be forced to leave Iran.

You are lucky that you are fighting with incompetent Mullahs. Any competent nation would've dealt with your existential threats very differently. If it were up to me, we wouldn't have reached this stage at all because I would've sold everything we had to acquire nukes. But if we had reached this stage, the USN had already been attacked by tactical nukes and I would've passed the message to you that if you nuked us, I would nuke Tel Aviv, Haifa and Arab oil infrastructure in return.

 

[OldTwilight]

what happened to responding to infrastructure strikes in kind? now we are denying them to avoid escalating, which only emboldens the US to continue these strikes.

Nukes with icbm and then tactical nuke on some of USA biggest power planet

This the only solution

 

[lightning f57]

Is baffling, US is hitting Iranian civilian infrastructure like power plants yet Iran is not responding and hitting the same of those countries supporting the US in this illegal war.

The US and trump only understand brute force unfortunately.

 

[ShapurII]

Nukes with icbm and then tactical nuke on some of USA biggest power planet

This the only solution

Jut nuke the US carrier strike groups. Tactical nukes will be more than enough for that. You don't need real-time satellite navigation. Just an approximate location would be enough.

Then pass the note to the Americans that if the US responds, Tel Aviv, Haifa, all Arab oil and gas infrastructure will be hit as well. And considering that we have already established our second strike capability with our deeply buried missile sites, the US would not risk nuclear Armageddon.

 

[Immortals]

Is baffling, US is hitting Iranian civilian infrastructure like power plants yet Iran is not responding and hitting the same of those countries supporting the US in this illegal war.

The US and trump only understand brute force unfortunately.

They aren’t hitting power plants. These are minor harassment attacks that can be quickly repaired. Plus Iran has one of the most diverse electrical grids in the Middle East. It’s not reliant on a single plant.

The U.S. still hasn’t escalated to hitting energy facilities or major bridges because they fear strikes on UAE and Saudi and Kuwaiti energy sites

 

[Immortals]

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[VCheng]

When the president of the USA threatens to end the Iranian civilisation, and then bombs Iranian bridges and water facilities, we have to take that threat seriously.

A fair comment, but please keep in mind that the current President is a thug criminal that rose from the NYC real estate swamp. This is how his understanding of negotiations goes. He also TACOs. All the time.

 

[030292]

Despite any or all of that, I do not see any reason to end Iran as a state, for that would not achieve anything, for anybody.

Iran is here to stay. There should be no doubt that at all. Ever.

Only thing to work out, then, is how Iran interacts with others in the region, and that is a much more resolvable issue than considering destruction of the entire state.

The problem is that jewish monsters want every country in the region to become gaza, and american puppet leaders do not appear to say no to their jewish masters in israel.

 

[Persian Gulf]

A fair comment, but please keep in mind that the current President is a thug criminal that rose from the NYC real estate swamp. This is how his understanding of negotiations goes. He also TACOs. All the time.

When we are dealing with such existential threats, and see US strikes on our schools, bridges, electrical and water facilities, we cannot afford to hope it is a bluff. We have to take it seriously, as any nation would.