Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

This is the real question right now, will the Iranians accept a new ceasefire proposal, or are they determined to break out of this cycle of start/stop war that Trump is keen on. How does Iran take control, and dictate the tempo going forward? Question for Iranian strategists.

Something has to change in this cycle ...

How does Iran force the USA to be honest with its commitments and fulfill them ?

The answer is simple...
Negotiate what?

If he drops sanctions and unfreezes funds... starts pulling out troops. There is no war!

Any details can be worked out after the fact. What he wants is to drag it down and milk it again for his own benefit. There is nothing to talk about....
It was an unprovoked attack that killed innocent people... women and children. The leadership along with their families... he came on the other side of largest ever funeral in the history of mankind... something if orange sought infamy will keep his name dragged for eternity...Mileikowsky already held such for himself.

 

[BananaRepublic]

I am not at all surprised by Iran's counterattack. Ukraine launched a surprise attack from deep within Russia's rear. Why does Iran insist on fighting back on its own soil? What about the channels you've been operating for years? Iraq? Yemen? Lebanon?

Iran doesn’t benefit from escalation.

Iran benefits from attrition.

 

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Endless war crimes by the terrorist U.S. regime

The US especially under trump play dirty, Iran needs to stop acting like a gentleman and need to get real, trump only understands extreme force. If Iran cant fulfill its aim militarily its better to accept trumps terms, there is no grey now its either white or black.

 

[BananaRepublic]

This is the real question right now, will the Iranians accept a new ceasefire proposal, or are they determined to break out of this cycle of start/stop war that Trump is keen on. How does Iran take control, and dictate the tempo going forward? Question for Iranian strategists.

Something has to change in this cycle ...

How does Iran force the USA to be honest with its commitments and fulfill them ?

From the beginning I said Iran needs to time out Trump by managing the escalation ladder.

So, yes, they should go and negotiate but not concede on anything. Stretch it out as long as possible.

Iran needs to call Islamabad.

The Pakistani delegation is crucial to Iran stretching this out.

Whilst I was banned I saw some idiots mock Pakistan’s negotiating role!!!

I was itching to call them idiots!!

Although this will no doubt upset @Musings

Trump is the last of the Epstein presidents.

Future presidents won’t be as pliant.

 

[RescueRanger]

You just highlight US’ advantages.

NO, I am telling you the historically documented difference and inaccuracy of comparing the Iran war to the War in Afghanistan.

 

[RescueRanger]

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[PakistanLVR]

Iran needs to call Islamabad.

The Pakistani delegation is crucial to Iran stretching this out.

Whilst I was banned I saw some idiots mock Pakistan’s negotiating role!!!

I was itching to call them idiots!!

I recall you were also one of those who were mocking Pakistans role. Good to see you’ve mend your views to reality

 

[BananaRepublic]

NO, I am telling you the historically documented difference and inaccuracy of comparing the Iran war to the War in Afghanistan.

Ofcourse it’s not exactly the same.

But there are parallels.

US just doesn’t have the stomach for wars.

Especially the ones of choice.

 

[RescueRanger]

Iranian Delegation landded in Doha - just moments ago.

 

[IceCold]

Iran can hit US ships. 100%. That would mean all out war with gloves coming off against a super power

So are you suggesting that hitting nuclear installations of another country, killing the entire top leadership or sinking the Iranian ships that resulted in killing of sailors and killing of over 100 innocent children, was not an all out war?

 

[PakistanLVR]

Ofcourse it’s not exactly the same.

But there are parallels.

US just doesn’t have the stomach for wars.

Especially the ones of choice.

You can easily develop a stomach by blasting propaganda 24/7, something which Muslims do not understand or want to do to get the home front on your side. This is how they’re able to sustain the wars over decades with minimal resistant.

 

[wangdefa]

Iran doesn’t benefit from escalation.

Iran benefits from attrition.

The goal of a soldier is solely to destroy the target and complete the mission. I have always believed that soldiers are pure and unsuited for the complex ideological work of civilian officials.
I..A few months ago, I have been emphasizing that this is a war. Either you end the failure, and the other side accepts it. The entire process is not important. The enemy will not talk to you about civilization or morality. Achieving strategic objectives is the pursuit of a soldier.
Iran has been blinded by the three hundred billion. I said this was halftime; it's not over yet.
If you can't achieve results on the battlefield, you certainly won't get what you want at the negotiating table.

 

[PakistanLVR]

So are you suggesting that hitting nuclear installations of another country, killing the entire top leadership or sinking the Iranian ships that resulted in killing of sailors and killing of over 100 innocent children, was not an all out war?

All-out war IMO is the only way to get a good deal during ceasefire. Show that you’re crazy enough to be very destructive

 

[BananaRepublic]

I recall you were also one of those who were mocking Pakistans role. Good to see you’ve mend your views to reality

I won’t dwell on it too much as I don’t want to go off topic.

If you mean I have been sceptical of the negotiations leading to a settlement then, yes.

But that’s not contradictory to the overall objective.

Other thing I have been critical of is Pakistan’s closeness to the treacherous Saudis. Which has upset some. But I don’t care!!!