Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Immortals said:
China doesn’t care if Iran falls, Russia falls, or Pakistan falls. It has no bearing on China and it will adjust.

You have to realize Chinese communist party is a godless group of individuals. The concept of strategic alliance doesn’t exist in their minds.

Some might point to Russia and say Xi would never let Putin fall. This is a mistake. China still hasn’t forgiven Russia for turning its back on what Lenin and Stalin built. Mao hated Soviet Union/Russia for turning its back on communism. So in China’s eyes, Russia is a gas station and nothing more.



It’s too late to TACO. The battle for Hormuz has started. Neither side is gonna give it up. Iran cannot afford to give it up because it would have no future leverage.
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I don't agree.

You have witness how poliestirene airframes of Shaheds manufactured in China are reaching Irán to continue assembling them even in non industrial assembly lines.

We can extrapolate other raw materials coming from China for allowing Irán to continue the war.

For sure China will always pursue and defend their national interests first. But if they let fall Islamic Republic, no other obstacle for keeping tens of thousands troops stationed in the US branchs in the Middle East.

Let's see if Trump doesn't TACO...
 
Immortals said:
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Bad bad move on the part of IRGC. You don't threaten the destruction of a nation and its people that have nukes and whose leadership has been looking for the excuse to make sure IRGC is never a threat again.
 
SolarWarden said:
Bad bad move on the part of IRGC. You don't threaten the destruction of a nation and its people that have nukes and whose leadership has been looking for the excuse to make sure IRGC is never a threat again.
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Russia has over 6000 nukes and Ukraine has non....those nukes are helpful ?
 
Flotilla said:
I don't agree.

You have witness how poliestirene airframes of Shaheds manufactured in China are reaching Irán to continue assembling them even in non industrial assembly lines.

We can extrapolate other raw materials coming from China for allowing Irán to continue the war.

For sure China will always pursue and defend their national interests first. But if they let fall Islamic Republic, no other obstacle for keeping tens of thousands troops stationed in the US branchs in the Middle East.

Let's see if Trump doesn't TACO...
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People laugh at the TACO, perhaps rightly so.

But one must remember that every TACO is still an exertion of US control on the timeline, the off-ramp, the narrative of this war.

I would not be so hasty as to ridicule the TACO and, even worse, to regard every TACO as some sort of "victory".

Iran's most important evolutionary step needs to be that of controlling the timeline of conflict by controlling the off-ramps. Without that, USA and Trump will continue to do whatever USA pleases, and every TACO episode will cause net harm to Iran.
 
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are we finally heading towards a massive attack from Iran against Israel Hezbollah Houthis Iraqis and iran but honestly they shouldn’t telegraph it because if they now just threatened Israel with a devastating sustained attack the Israelis might attack first
 
Flotilla said:
While I agree with the core of your statements, please don't forget that when Putin reached the Presidency of Russia, he inherited a bankrupt country with virtually no real Air force and a tenth part of the previous Soviet Army.
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No real Airforce? Are you joking me? The post Soviet Union Airforce was VERY STRONG and MUCH more relevant than the RussianAirforce today. You forget Russian airforce was one of the best 4th gen fighting forces in the world. Go look up when SU-27 or MiG-29 was built. When SU-30 was built, the backbone of the Russian airforce today.

In fact Russian airforce and military equipment started falling behind from 2007-2026 when the 4++, 5th gen, AESA, UAV, BVR era started or else from 1990-2005 Russian military equipment was still very deadly.

Putin much like Rouhani/Khatami thought that cooperation with the West would ultimately be rewarded with acceptance. Putin considered himself as part of the Western world and the Anglo-Saxon Christian framework. He thought Russia was different than the brown people of the Middle East or the yellow people of Asia. He thought they were beneath Russia.

In the end the West kept stringing Putin along and eroding Russia’s borders. Then when finally Putin admitted to himself what was long see to outside observers — that the U.S. had no interest in peer to peer relations with Russia, it was too late. And then you saw how fast the West confiscated Russian assets, pulled western firms out of Russia, and assassinated Russian officials.

Flotilla said:
Putin did not have enough power to stop plans of Colin Powell and George Bush to deploy ABM systems in Poland and Romania.
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Non sense. Russia could have steamrolled Ukraine back when the first war broke out. Zelensky didn’t exist. Ukraine had no real military post revolution. And Ukraine was still lost and divided as a nation. Hence why Russia easily took Crimea and was on the verge of taking Kyiev over a decade ago when Merkel made fake promises to Putin and convinced him to sign the Minsk agreements.

Putin now realizes those were the most detrimental agreements signed in modern Russian history. The ramifications which are seen today.
 
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are we finally heading towards a massive attack from Iran against Israel Hezbollah Houthis Iraqis and iran but honestly they shouldn’t telegraph it because if they now just threatened Israel with a devastating sustained attack the Israelis might attack first
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never knows its a bluff, force to change foreign US war policy. Iran knows US will never remove the sanctions and GCC behind close door support these sanctions.
 
HAIDER said:
never knows its a bluff, force to change foreign US war policy. Iran knows US will never remove the sanctions and GCC behind close door support these sanctions.
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I don’t think Iran is bluffing anymore like they used to if they say they are going to do something these days they tend to follow up with action 48 hour deadline I guess has about passed Iran has supposedly given everyone orders to prepare for a large merciless battle of the wills so something is about to go off
 
HAIDER said:
Russia has over 6000 nukes and Ukraine has non....those nukes are helpful ?
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Really? You are comparing a tiny nation geographically and in population with Russia? You're smarter than that... and what nation that is in a state of war with Russia has threaten Russia with its destruction?

This was a bad move by IRGC when the current regime in Israel is looking for an excuse to get rid of a threat.
 
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What's happening with oil
 
HAIDER said:
Russia has over 6000 nukes and Ukraine has non....those nukes are helpful ?
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A weapon you have no intention of using is not helpful. They tried to bluff with that Oreshnik strike on Dnipro a few years ago but here we are with Ukraine droning Moscow on a daily basis. The west knows Putin won't ever use nukes.
 
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