Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Nawnaw1]

The Iran/Pakistan shootout was symbolic. Both sides didn't want actual large scale or any scale conflict.

The PMF attack is US's way of 'enfocring' the MOU. Total ceasefire in the Middle East, sure. They're going after Iran's allies. I bet they want to turn Iraq into another Lebanon with a fake government that does the US' bidding. Lets see if that will be possible for them.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I invite Iran obsessed trolls to avoid trolling and spreading hateful narratives and to stay on topic

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Saudi are starting a major war which they will suffer from immensely

 

[Nawnaw1]

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Large number of casualties

Saudi are starting a major war which they will suffer from immensely

That's just it. Does the PMF have enough muscle to fight back? Because all Iraqi 'government' oil revenue goes through the US. The question is can PMF overrule the government or not? The people in Iraq are furious, but like in Lebanon, where most people support Hezb, the US can just install dictators in Arab 'countries' and decide what happens. Will this start a conflict? Or will PMF be torn apart by a coalition of PGCC countries and their own fake government?

 

[Nawnaw1]

Too many errors in your post.

Israel didn't attack Pakistan. or killed its leaders or killed its scientists or killed ordinary Pakistanis. Israel will face an existential threat if it ever dare to do so.

Iran did gave response to Israel in past, but this time around its silent. And you guys are coming with hilarious excuses of first arabs then Israel. Well Arabs didn't killed your leaders, Israel did. Arabs didn't killed Iranian scientists the Israelis did. Bahrain and Kuwait are not providing runways to US bombers, US AWACS, US air tankers, the ISRAELIS are. Arabs are not mocking Iran. Its Israeli defense minister openly saying that YES! US bombers are using our airbases. yet you are making excuses that Israel isn't a priority lol. BTW, If Iran really didn't had the capacity or capability to hit Israel anymore then it should have actually ended the war with MoU signed instead hitting commercial ships during ceasefire. No one on earth would accept illegal hegemony over an international waterway. Iran even rejected Oman who should have equal right on the subject.

As far as Camel breeders is concerned, or sheep herders etc. Well all or most prophets had same profession. So don't use the term in derogatory way. Yes they became rich with discovery of oil. God's blessing. So did Iran. We in Pakistan don't have any oil but we do feel pride on our beautiful mountains and valleys even though there is no contribution of ours in it. Its just God given blessings.

Also the thing is We choose no one yet. We have not gone against Iran if that's what you were saying. But I feel patience must be in testing times by now when MoU was torpedoed by hitting commercial ships. Israel ALWAYS wanted the war to continue and Iran did exactly what Israel wanted. We never expected Iran to shoot on its own foot by hitting commercial ships the day after MoU was signed. Everyone was expecting Israel to sabotage MoU not Iran. Israel was trying by bombing Lebanon but still the war over Iran was coming to an end. But Iran was stubborn to create an illegal hegemony over SOH. Iran is actually losing its leverage over the world by doing so. It was meant to be as Iran's nuclear weapon to be used ONLY at times when required and ONLY as a leverage / trump card. If they want to do it continuously then world will find workarounds and US will keep punitive actions / military actions over Iran going on using israeli bases mostly which by now they know Iran won't dare to hit.

Let me tell you, whatever this long winded post contains. If a country holds US bases from which either there are direct attacts on Iran, of just supporting bases, those countries become targets. In any case. The PGCC do what Pakistan did against Afghanistan from 2001 onward (actually the 80s also). And what did Pakistan get in return? Endless conflict in it's own Pashtun areas. Vasal states have an unenviable position, but it is what it is.

And let me add. If Pakistan's government wasn't a vasal of the US, which during Imran Khan was lessening (hence the coup against him), it could do great business with China. Build the sorely needed infrastructure, industrialize to get the 250 million hard working people some badly needed jobs etc., and thereby slowly loosen it's vasal status of the West. At the end, the West will tear apart Pakistan very easily, it's just not Pakistan's turn. Sadly the bought and paid for military leaderships stops better cooperation with China and keeps the course: little pocket change by Arabs and little arms aid by the US, while the country has 0 development.

There is no reason Pakistan shouldn't be having 10% growth a year. Look at Bandladesh. And India. (maybe not today 10% but near 10% for many many years.

 

[Pakistan First]

Let me tell you, whatever this long winded post contains. If a country holds US bases from which either there are direct attacts on Iran, of just supporting bases, those countries become targets. In any case. The PGCC do what Pakistan did against Afghanistan from 2001 onward (actually the 80s also). And what did Pakistan get in return? Endless conflict in it's own Pashtun areas. Vasal states have an unenviable position, but it is what it is.

Ofcourse! That's what am saying.

Country which has most active bases against Iran right now is Israel. Just do an independent search and find out from where all the bombing campaign is being carried out. Where most of the tankers are stationed. If there's any place in middleeast where US bombers land then its Israel.

As far as weak Bahrain and Kuwait are concerned, if you are an american general, would you be crazy enough to keep your most important assets so near to Iran while you are doing bombing over it ?

I also understand Why Iran is not attacking Israel that is because Israel will hit back with enormous force which weak Kuwait and Bahrainis can't do. Please accept the complete truth and not half sided which suits your narrative only.

 

[Flotilla]

Too many errors in your post.

Israel didn't attack Pakistan. or killed its leaders or killed its scientists or killed ordinary Pakistanis. Israel will face an existential threat if it ever dare to do so.

Iran did gave response to Israel in past, but this time around its silent. And you guys are coming with hilarious excuses of first arabs then Israel. Well Arabs didn't killed your leaders, Israel did. Arabs didn't killed Iranian scientists the Israelis did. Bahrain and Kuwait are not providing runways to US bombers, US AWACS, US air tankers, the ISRAELIS are. Arabs are not mocking Iran. Its Israeli defense minister openly saying that YES! US bombers are using our airbases. yet you are making excuses that Israel isn't a priority lol. BTW, If Iran really didn't had the capacity or capability to hit Israel anymore then it should have actually ended the war with MoU signed instead hitting commercial ships during ceasefire. No one on earth would accept illegal hegemony over an international waterway. Iran even rejected Oman who should have equal right on the subject.

As far as Camel breeders is concerned, or sheep herders etc. Well all or most prophets had same profession. So don't use the term in derogatory way. Yes they became rich with discovery of oil. God's blessing. So did Iran. We in Pakistan don't have any oil but we do feel pride on our beautiful mountains and valleys even though there is no contribution of ours in it. Its just God given blessings.

Also the thing is We choose no one yet. We have not gone against Iran if that's what you were saying. But I feel patience must be in testing times by now when MoU was torpedoed by hitting commercial ships. Israel ALWAYS wanted the war to continue and Iran did exactly what Israel wanted. We never expected Iran to shoot on its own foot by hitting commercial ships the day after MoU was signed. Everyone was expecting Israel to sabotage MoU not Iran. Israel was trying by bombing Lebanon but still the war over Iran was coming to an end. But Iran was stubborn to create an illegal hegemony over SOH. Iran is actually losing its leverage over the world by doing so. It was meant to be as Iran's nuclear weapon to be used ONLY at times when required and ONLY as a leverage / trump card. If they want to do it continuously then world will find workarounds and US will keep punitive actions / military actions over Iran going on using israeli bases mostly which by now they know Iran won't dare to hit.

Grow up.
Don't lie. You're protecting iranians agressors.
And they will be ATTACKED.
From sea arabic to sea mediterranean all of them are hosting americans and even israelis. So you choosed your side.

 

[Nawnaw1]

Ofcourse! That's what am saying.

Country which has most active bases against Iran right now is Israel. Just do an independent search and find out from where all the bombing campaign is being carried out. Where most of the tankers are stationed. If there's any place in middleeast where US bombers land then its Israel.

As far as weak Bahrain and Kuwait are concerned, if you are an american general, would you be crazy enough to keep your most important assets so near to Iran while you are doing bombing over it ?

I also understand Why Iran is not attacking Israel that is because Israel will hit back with enormous force which weak Kuwait and Bahrainis can't do. Please accept the complete truth and not half sided which suits your narrative only.

No I agree with you for today, I mean the last couple of weeks sure. That is fully true.

That being said, do the PGCC get excused just because in the last 2 months the US moved it's vulnerable assets out? That means they're not targets anymore? Or is those fake countries' entire politics and geopolitics built around being anti-Iran and still behave as an enemy? The fact that tankers and jets have been moved out (in part) doesn't mean those countries shouldn't be hit anymore. They have to be hit until they fully change their policies and don't even have a single tourist soldier on their soil anymore.

 

[lightning f57]

In a horizontally expanding war... Pakistan's pact with Saudis comes under the scanner. Their first tier is politically aligned with US and the bottom is hedged by one with Pakistan.
This puts undue pressure on Pakistan that has no say in Saudi political outlook and kind of entanglements they get themselves into...

Pact IMO was for Saudi internal security and v Israel. I dont think Pak had intended for it to become a pact where it needs to intervene against fellow muslim countries. which it has friendly relations with.

Pak and SA has had a close security arrangement for decades, not joining in to attack Yemen more than a decade back shows generally what Pak's position has been when it comes to the region - non alignment and involvement.

 

[lightning f57]

I don't understand why some Iranian members believe that the ceasefire agreement is a time for Americans to stockpile ammunition.

Do you really know the speed at which the United States and Iran produce ammunition?

Annual production in the United States: 96 THAAD interceptors, 600 PAC-3 interceptors, and 90 BGM-109.

And Iran's annual production: 3000+Shahed drones and 3600+ballistic missiles of various types.

The US in the 2020s is no longer the US of the 1990s; they are very inefficient and corrupt. The ceasefire benefits Iran far than it benefits the US.

The issue is we dont know how badly Iran's manufacturing capability has been damaged. I think its fair to say they cant manufacture at the rate they did before and will need to be prudent how they use their weaponry.

 

[IceCold]

Irán doesn't have a fancy Air force like Pakistán. Irán doesn't have the fancy nuclear bombs that Pakistán show off in their parades...
THEY WERE ATTACKED FIRST. From Kuwait, Qatar, Arabia Saudí and Emirates.

Pakistan choosed the Camel breeders instead of joining the Resistance.

Correction "Pakistan's military Establishment" not Pakistan or it's people. We are quite neutral and infact supported Iran throughout the conflict.
As far as our air force or nuclear weapons are concerned, they weren't given as charity to us, we built them and paid a very high price, specially for our nuclear weapons programme. What stopped Iran from doing the same. Don't blame us for the lack of foresight from your leaders who issued a fatwa against acquiring nuclear weapons.

 

[Musings]

@RzA

You cant say low IQ to someone and then when you they retaliate to comment about your IQ - expect the post to be removed.

 

[Nawnaw1]

Correction "Pakistan's military Establishment" not Pakistan or it's people. We are quite neutral and infact supported Iran throughout the conflict.
As far as our air force or nuclear weapons are concerned, they weren't given as charity to us, we built them and paid a very high price, specially for our nuclear weapons programme. What stopped Iran from doing the same. Don't blame us for the lack of foresight from your leaders who issued a fatwa against acquiring nuclear weapons.

Actually no, the nuke program was 'given' to you under the all-seeing and sometimes giving eye of the West. Even though you had smart scientists etc, it was so that Pakistan could be a Ukraine to India's Russia. Otherwise you wouldn't have anything more than Afghanistan has. We're talking 70s, 80s and 90s here. Especially in the 80s, Pakistan was vital in the cold war against the Soviets through Afghanistan. Even though the West may not like Pakistan having nukes today, it was a trade-off they made back then.

In any case, I'm afraid nukes are only really effective in large wars, like for example Pakistan vs India. But not against arming terrorists/separatists etc. to weaken the central government of a country.

In any case, bless you for having them.

 

[RzA]

@RzA

You cant say low IQ to someone and then when you they retaliate to comment about your IQ - expect the post to be removed.

So why did my response to his post get deleted? What was so differently said that was offensive? Why do they get triggered so much by that word?

 

[digitalSurgeon]

Of course none of them will, west is a slave to the zionists

West is not slave to zio. It is zio