Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

 

[Watandar]

Well we can conclude how successful Dubya's Iraq 2003 invasion and occupation was.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Pact IMO was for Saudi internal security and v Israel. I dont think Pak had intended for it to become a pact where it needs to intervene against fellow muslim countries. which it has friendly relations with.

Pak and SA has had a close security arrangement for decades, not joining in to attack Yemen more than a decade back shows generally what Pak's position has been when it comes to the region - non alignment and involvement.

The context of my comment is not in the specifics or speculation on the terms... it is about a widening conflict that is expanding horizontally. The Ukrainian attack on Iran is just one such indicator... however, we'll truly know if that expands if Ukraine takes further actions... meaning, reflecting a policy change. Saudis have attacked two separate countries and that also sits on a precipice of escalation. Since no one has made a move to de-escalate.
The proxy networks in Kurds and dissident Iranian factions have taken a beating and may not level up to anything meaningful... which can make US add new entries... in the form of Saudis and Ukrainians...

The complexity of the situation can cause miscalculations and have unforeseen consequences... that is where Pakistan canbe roped in...
It is crucial for Pakistan to stay out of it... it is in Pakistan's interest that all parties mend ties in the mideast and focus entirely on the entity... whose sole aim is to burn everything down to rule the ashes.

 

[peacemaker99]

No ill wisher of iran and think theyve been good freinds.

But iranian regime lost the war months ago. Most discussions on this thread are just nonsense. And they were better off getting any reasonable deal trump was giving then itself.

 

[Watandar]

Actually on top, I just noticed. (I also noticed in the past too). That even mildly written posts of mine were deleted which were based on facts and were right on the topic. I only responded to few of the posts with a reality check and wasn't even a bit harsh in anyways.

@Persian Gulf Making a thread as an echo chamber isn't a right strategy.

@Musings @Mr X Should there be another Iran-US war thread be created that has more levels of tolerance ? So atleast we can see balanced views and freely express our opinions on reality ?

Perhaps you will be happier in the US-Perspectives on Iran war thread.

 

[lightning f57]

The context of my comment is not in the specifics or speculation on the terms... it is about a widening conflict that is expanding horizontally. The Ukrainian attack on Iran is just one such indicator... however, we'll truly know if that expands if Ukraine takes further actions... meaning, reflecting a policy change. Saudis have attacked two separate countries and that also sits on a precipice of escalation. Since no one has made a move to de-escalate.
The proxy networks in Kurds and dissident Iranian factions have taken a beating and may not level up to anything meaningful... which can make US add new entries... in the form of Saudis and Ukrainians...

The complexity of the situation can cause miscalculations and have unforeseen consequences... that is where Pakistan canbe roped in...
It is crucial for Pakistan to stay out of it... it is in Pakistan's interest that all parties mend ties in the mideast and focus entirely on the entity... whose sole aim is to burn everything down to rule the ashes.

I think the chances of Pak forces getting involved at some point are at the highest its ever been. The whole region is spiraling out of control. Israel did what it wanted to - create years of instability.

 

[Mr X]

Actually on top, I just noticed. (I also noticed in the past too). That even mildly written posts of mine were deleted which were based on facts and were right on the topic. I only responded to few of the posts with a reality check and wasn't even a bit harsh in anyways.

@Persian Gulf Making a thread as an echo chamber isn't a right strategy.

@Musings @Mr X Should there be another Iran-US war thread be created that has more levels of tolerance ? So atleast we can see balanced views and freely express our opinions on reality ?

I didn't read the context of your posts as I am at work but we have a parallel thread of Iran-US war https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...ran-israel-us-war.31323/page-370#post-1346324

this thread is outside the domain of Iranian moderators and managed by US moderators (one of them is on leave for the past 2 months).

 

[Pakistan First]

I think the chances of Pak forces getting involved at some point are at the highest its ever been. The whole region is spiraling out of control. Israel did what it wanted to - create years of instability.

We knew it how dangerous the situation is. That's why we tried our best to settle the issue and MoU was signed. The war over Iran was literally over. It was best for Iran and MoU was being considered by most as victory for Iran.

and what's happening since hitting commercial ships is a disaster not only for Iran but for entire region except Israel.

 

[tsunset]

Actually on top, I just noticed. (I also noticed in the past too). That even mildly written posts of mine were deleted which were based on facts and were right on the topic. I only responded to few of the posts with a reality check and wasn't even a bit harsh in anyways.

@Persian Gulf Making a thread as an echo chamber isn't a right strategy.

@Musings @Mr X Should there be another Iran-US war thread be created that has more levels of tolerance ? So atleast we can see balanced views and freely express our opinions on reality ?

There is already another US perspective echo chamber thread

 

[lightning f57]

We knew it how dangerous the situation is. That's why we tried our best to settle the issue and MoU was signed. The war over Iran was literally over. It was best for Iran and MoU was being considered by most as victory for Iran.

and what's happening since hitting commercial ships is a disaster not only for Iran but for entire region except Israel.

I also think trump never intended to stick with the MOU, it was a temporary pause to re-orient and go again.

 

[FUB]

The hatred and contempt for Iranians just spews out of the Body of Don Corleone wannabe
Diesel is approaching to $7 a gallon on the West past and $5.50 a gallon down south

 

[Persian Gulf]

No ill wisher of iran and think theyve been good freinds.

But iranian regime lost the war months ago. Most discussions on this thread are just nonsense. And they were better off getting any reasonable deal trump was giving then itself.

Your use of “Iranian regime” suggests otherwise.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Actually on top, I just noticed. (I also noticed in the past too). That even mildly written posts of mine were deleted which were based on facts and were right on the topic. I only responded to few of the posts with a reality check and wasn't even a bit harsh in anyways.

@Persian Gulf Making a thread as an echo chamber isn't a right strategy.

@Musings @Mr X Should there be another Iran-US war thread be created that has more levels of tolerance ? So atleast we can see balanced views and freely express our opinions on reality ?

taking liberty to intrude on your private thoughts, uninvited!
(you can ignore this post, if you find it very invasive)


if you discount, Arabs were happy to give bases to other countries

then

this war, will make it 'appear' itself as, IR is the aggressor and everybody else is not only innocent, they are the champions of human liberties and freedoms!

I have a question for users like @Bratva and you (you can ignore and choose not to answer BTW, totally upto you!)


are we allowed to ask, this business of giving up your land, to attack another country, is in Pak. favor?!

no, it is not PAk. business, Arabs are free to give land to anyone!
(of course, any one would say!)

in other words, they cant decide by themselves, what lands belongs to Arabs!

so then the question boils down to: are we allowed to ask whats in Pak. interest, just as Arabs are 'free' to give their lands?!!!



putting it another way: we are only allowed to understate our volatility without expecting any returns!
(duality here is that volatility can only be understated, under good market conditions!)

in layman terms, Imagine that tomorrow you are chosen to face the challenges ahead. You decide to embrace them, and you say: 'No matter how many difficulties come my way, bring me more challenges (i.e a slave!). I am ready for them
(like wise, duality here, is slavery, which is championed by slave, who thinks he is accomplishing great feats, when infact he is only a slave!)



this behavior/reality can be observed here, where water loses its boiling point and collapses to even lower temperature for boiling!