Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

MS Sandhu said:
Expecting that Iran can outperform US technically, is pure hopium.
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We're living the manifestation!

Remember there are testimonies of ones at the helm... of 100 percent success... years in the making.

This was not even in the cards. Instead all bases have been evacuated... and zion stands at the precipice. At stake is a build up of interceptors that may not provide any reliable coverage to systems that haven't yet been deployed extensively. Even a few that passed through caused so much consternation, speculation and now papers to figure out actual maneuverability of the RVs...
 
Watandar said:
Iranian dissidents who were exploited and betrayed by Mossad and the US.

I Was So Wrong’: Iranians Say Trump’s Promises Never Came True​

As President Trump struggles to extricate the United States from the war in Iran, his promises to protesters in the country have fallen by the wayside.

In the weeks leading up to the U.S. war with Iran, President Trump cheered on the Iranian protesters rising up against their government, telling them that they should “save the names of the killers and abusers” and that he would come to their aid.

“HELP IS ON ITS WAY,” he promised.

But more than five months into the conflict, liberating the Iranian people has been one of the war’s most glaring unfulfilled objectives.

Iran has executed at least 26 people in connection with the January protests since Mr. Trump made his promise, with many more protesters potentially at risk, according to Amnesty International. U.S. officials believe Iran’s new supreme leader, Mojtaba Khamenei, is even more interested in pursuing a nuclear weapon than his father, who was killed in an airstrike on the opening day of the war.

And as Iranians remain locked in crisis, Mr. Trump is looking for a way out. Negotiators are working on a deal to restart shipping traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, which Iran has effectively shut down, as Mr. Trump tries to extricate the United States from a conflict that has lasted far longer, and proved far more costly, than he anticipated.

In an interview this summer, Mr. Trump acknowledged that he never really believed that the uprising he encouraged would happen anyway because Iranian security forces would crush the demonstrators.

“I never thought, unless they could be completely armed, I never thought they’d have that kind of uprising, because these people are violent,” Mr. Trump told the conservative podcaster Hugh Hewitt.

But for Iranians who listened to Mr. Trump’s early promises, the sense of betrayal is real.
“I genuinely thought that help was on the way, but I was so wrong,” said Vahid, a 35-year-old from Tehran who works at a start-up company, echoing a sentiment expressed by numerous Iranians in interviews with The New York Times. All spoke on the condition that The Times identify them only by their first names, out of fear of reprisals from their government.

Maryam, a 36-year-old from Tehran who participated in the January anti-government protests, said Mr. Trump took advantage of a citizen uprising to further his own agenda.
“I feel that Trump and the U.S. are deceitful, and Trump is a showman,” Maryam said. “They used the language of human rights toward only their own benefit.”

Sajad, a 27-year-old from Tehran who works in cinema, was more blunt, saying he had no trust in either Iran or the United States.
“I don’t think any of them care about the interests of the people of Iran,” he said. “In one word, I despise Trump, the U.S. and all the rest of them.”

‘Let the Oil Flow!’​

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A memorial at a school in Tehran destroyed by a U.S. missile strike in February that killed 175 people. More than 1,700 Iranian civilians have died in the war.Credit...Majid Saeedi/Getty Images

The White House declined to answer questions about Mr. Trump’s promise to help liberate the Iranian people. Instead, officials cited Mr. Trump’s goal — which, as yet, is unmet — of ensuring that Iran never has a nuclear weapon, saying that objective would benefit the Iranian people as well.

“For 47 years, American presidents and countless other world leaders talked about the threat posed by Iran, but no one had the courage to address it,” Anna Kelly, a White House spokeswoman, wrote in a statement. “President Trump took decisive action to ensure that Iran could never harm our homeland, our troops or our allies again. A denuclearized Iran means that the entire region and its people will be safer and more stable.”

More than 1,700 Iranian civilians have died in the war, according to the U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency. That figure includes at least 175 people — most of them children — who died in an airstrike that hit a school on the first day of the war.
Privately, U.S. military officials have acknowledged that American forces carried out the school strike and cast it as an intelligence failure. But Mr. Trump has brushed aside questions about who was responsible, saying in June: “Mistakes are made. War is nasty.”

His references to the horrors facing Iranian civilians during the war have been mostly in passing, and they have grown less fervent as the months go by.

When he announced that the U.S. and Israeli attacks had killed Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on the first day of the war in February, he called the killing “the single greatest chance for the Iranian people to take back their Country.” In April, he boasted about having saved eight Iranian women from death sentences, though the Iranian government disputed that they had been sentenced to execution.

In May, Mr. Trump hinted that he might send weapons to protesters. In June, he claimed that as part of a preliminary deal, Iran would use its unfrozen assets to buy corn and soybeans and other goods from American farmers — a situation he characterized as a benefit to the United States and a way to address hunger that Iranians were suffering as a result of the war.

For the most part, however, Mr. Trump has focused on other things, especially the disruption in the Strait of Hormuz, which has caused fuel prices to spike and disrupted global markets.

When Mr. Trump announced the framework of a deal with Iran in June — which has since collapsed — he made no mention of the Iranian people.
Instead, he said: “Ships of the World, start your engines. Let the oil flow!”

And one stipulation stood out to Iranians as particularly contradictory to Mr. Trump’s initial pledge: that the two countries respect each other’s sovereignty and “refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.”

Mr. Trump went on to praise Iran’s new leaders, as well — a striking moment given that the country’s theocratic rule has remained intact.
“The current Iranian leadership are very rational people,” Mr. Trump said. “They are nice to deal with. They are strong and smart people. They are not radicalized, and they are looking to help their country.”

One of the Iranian officials dealing with the United States, Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, is a veteran commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, who is known for showing little tolerance for domestic dissent. Since the war started, the Revolutionary Guards have claimed an even more prominent role in government decision-making.
They are also responsible for repressing protests at home.

‘Fear and Hope’​

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A park overlooking Tehran. When Mr. Trump announced the framework of a deal with Iran in June — which has since collapsed — he made no mention of the Iranian people.Credit...Arash Khamooshi/Polaris for The New York Times

Richard Fontaine, the chief executive of the Center for a New American Security and a former foreign policy adviser to Senator John McCain, noted that it was not the first time in history that an American president had called for an uprising, only to leave people hanging in the balance.

The most starkly similar example was in 1991, when President George H.W. Bush publicly encouraged Iraqi Shiites to rebel against the government and then allowed American forces to stand by while the uprising was suppressed by Saddam Hussein’s helicopter gunships and execution squads in a blood bath that claimed tens of thousands of lives.
Since then, U.S. presidents have practiced restraint in encouraging foreign revolts. President Barack Obama drew bipartisan backlash in 2009 when he resisted calls to encourage the “Green Movement” protests in Iran, for fear that it would result in demonstrators getting slaughtered. He later said that his caution may have been a mistake.

Mr. Fontaine said that of all of Mr. Trump’s promises to the Iranian people, helping to liberate them was the “big one,” given that the killing of Iranian protesters in January appeared to be the catalyst for a more aggressive approach by the U.S. military against Iran.

“The biggest losers in everything that’s happened this year are the people of Iran,” Mr. Fontaine said. “Now they have a war-torn, broken country whose economy is even worse than it was before, but with the same predatory, essentially tyrannical government ruling over them that they had before. So it’s in some ways sort of the worst of all worlds.”
Maryam, a 27-year-old nurse in Tehran, said she took part in anti-government protests in 2022, when she was beaten with batons, and watched people bleeding in the streets. That year, she protested in solidarity.

This year, she took to the streets because she wanted retribution for what the regime has done to her people — not because Mr. Trump told her to. Now, she said she is resigned to “fear and hope.”

“Fear that the blood that has been shed will be disregarded and forgotten,” she explained. “We don’t lose hope because, in our view, despair would be a betrayal of our children’s blood.”

She trusts that Mr. Trump, as well as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, may still have a plan for Iranian people. But ultimately, she said, Iranians can count on only one another.

“Our uprising was our own choice — a response to the regime’s crimes and a movement to overthrow the system,” she said. “Whether Trump helps now or not, it makes no difference to our determination. We are grateful for his support, but our struggle does not depend on it.”
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Some of the dissidents are getting desperate.

 
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MS Sandhu said:
Nothing new for US.
For the time being, PAC-3 MSE is the only reliable terminal Ballistic Missile defence system yet and due to low production (only about approx. 3000 units produced and thinned across multiple sectors) , US faces some restrictions in its use.
But this shortleg can disappear very soon because US is Planning to produce 2000 units of MIM-104F(PAC-3 MSE) per year. That's some crazy production and the real news is MRBMs no matter how much agile will have really hard time in out running this shit.

"The combination of a fast missile airframe response and high impulse side thrusters generates a more rapid missile angle of attack than is possible with actuator-driven aerodynamic control surfaces alone. The PAC-3
Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) represents the next generation PAC-3 missile which will provide expanded battle space performance against evolving threats "

Expecting that Iran can outperform US technically, is pure hopium.
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Coulda woulda shoulda. Iran already outperformed the US in this war.

www.forever-wars.com

The Math Behind The U.S. Defeat in Iran

Missile-interceptor stocks are dwindling after only five months. That Memorandum of Understanding is looking pretty enticing!
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BHAN85 said:
Trump has talked a lot of times recently about remove USA troops from Europe.

And in every time Iran and USA talked last months, remove USA military presence in the zone was one of the public Iran requirements, if it were something so impossible, they wouldn't have talked so much.
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Well anything is possible, but I would say anyone thinking the US is just going to pack up and leave is a little on the hopium
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
We're living the manifestation!

Remember there are testimonies of ones at the helm... of 100 percent success... years in the making.

This was not even in the cards. Instead all bases have been evacuated... and zion stands at the precipice. At stake is a build up of interceptors that may not provide any reliable coverage to systems that haven't yet been deployed extensively. Even a few that passed through caused so much consternation, speculation and now papers to figure out actual maneuverability of the RVs...
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You can't deploy the new systems extensively in between the war when your production halls are bombed out .

Hundreds of Missiles are knocked out of sky, total Naval and air dominance .Even Kuwait and Bahrain haven't been subdued (They are still firing Himars & Atacms from their territory) simply because Ballistic Missiles are getting intercepted at a rate unsustainable for Iran due to technology the US is able to field.

Moreover, Evacuation is not a right term .US has repositioned its assets making the targeting difficult for Iran while US can enjoy with its strike compaign unchallenged.
 
MS Sandhu said:
You can't deploy the new systems extensively in between the war when your production halls are bombed out .

Hundreds of Missiles are knocked out of sky, total Naval and air dominance .Even Kuwait and Bahrain haven't been subdued (They are still firing Himars & Atacms from their territory) simply because Ballistic Missiles are getting intercepted at a rate unsustainable for Iran due to technology the US is able to field.

Moreover, Evacuation is not a right term .US has repositioned its assets making the targeting difficult for Iran while US can enjoy with its strike compaign unchallenged.
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Yeah right...
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To Base or Not to Base: The Iran War Exposes Flaws of U.S. Basing in the Middle East | Council on Foreign Relations

U.S. military installations across the Gulf sit within easy range of Iranian missiles, a legacy of basing decisions made when U.S. forces faced far less capable adversaries. As the war exposes that vulnerability, a case is building to reposition U.S. forces farther from Iran’s reach.
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Talk is cheap... you're saying that US will return on the backs of technological superiority, yet not fielded... and I told you already that Iran fired only a number of it's newer missiles that found disproportionate success.

Something that simply cannot be papered over...
That is the definition of hopium and copium...
 
MS Sandhu said:
Nothing new for US.
For the time being, PAC-3 MSE is the only reliable terminal Ballistic Missile defence system yet and due to low production (only about approx. 3000 units produced and thinned across multiple sectors) , US faces some restrictions in its use.
But this shortleg can disappear very soon because US is Planning to produce 2000 units of MIM-104F(PAC-3 MSE) per year. That's some crazy production and the real news is MRBMs no matter how much agile will have really hard time in out running this shit.

"The combination of a fast missile airframe response and high impulse side thrusters generates a more rapid missile angle of attack than is possible with actuator-driven aerodynamic control surfaces alone. The PAC-3
Missile Segment Enhancement (MSE) represents the next generation PAC-3 missile which will provide expanded battle space performance against evolving threats "

Expecting that Iran can outperform US technically, is pure hopium.
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The talon interceptor is the best ballistic missile defense interceptor not the PAC-3. The US used a lot of PAC 3 but most interceptions were done by the THAAD system. Iran can most certainly outperform the US technically. When you have to fire 2 interceptors or more to shoot down one missile your interceptor is already garbage.
 
RzA said:
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Pathetic, they back down like usual.

The Shiites are no longer warriors. They should give up their weapons and fighting nature to become girly men like the Europeans. Maybe even elect women officials to boss them around and embrace their feeble nature.

From Iran to Iraq to Lebanon we are seeing Shiites retreating instead of seizing opportunity.
 

Marine traffic continues to drop in Strait of Hormuz​

Marine traffic in the critical Strait of Hormuz has dropped further this week, though Iran says a deal with Oman to manage the waterway is near.

Only eight commercial vessels transited the strait on Thursday, a drop from 15 on Tuesday and 12 last Thursday, according to data firm Kpler.

Before the start of the US-Israel war on Iran, about 140 ships passed through the strait daily, carrying 20 percent of the world’s oil and gas shipments.

In the Bab al-Mandeb strait in the southern Red Sea, 26 vessels made the crossing on Thursday, according to Kpler. On Tuesday, 32 ships made the crossing, while 22 crossed on Wednesday.

Some 70 ships used to cross Bab al-Mandeb daily before the Iran-backed Houthis announced a blockade on Saudi ships.
 
tsunset said:
If PGCC expel US forces and dismantle their bases in favor of Pakistan and Turkiye then it's all win for Iran and everyone in the region besides Israel

The current problem are Americans in the region threatening everyone and using them to launch attacks killing Iranian civilians
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Never gonna happen. Saudis are just vessels. They cant do shit
 
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