Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Master Chief]

What did you need a second security pact for if Israel was already covered in your "initial" pact?

Think logically about the sequence of events.

Iran has not been harmed by Pakistan since that first pact was penned. To believe the second pact is designed to harm Iran is your own baseless ideation.

An opportunity arose and has been taken.

Tell us why on earth Pakistan, KSA, or Turkiye should bother getting involved in open conflict with Iran anyway when this war is clearly - and you and I both know it - winding down like a damp squib? Iran's efforts now appear to lie in extracting some sort of financial leverage over the SoH through negotiation because it is plainly self evident that militarily, we are at an impasse, a point of military stalemate between the belligerent parties.

 

[ShapurII]

Hmm... I see that the impact is very much partial and partisan...

Again, to assist you further... as your post wasn't deleted

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Not everyone is that dim to get the premise through... some are... but if you're running with something, have some depth.

So, to make things clear, Turkey is going to fight Israel, right?

 

[ShapurII]

Think logically about the sequence of events.

Iran has not been harmed by Pakistan since that first pact was penned. To believe the second pact is designed to harm Iran is your own baseless ideation.

I agree, let's think logically about it.

When Pakistan signed the initial pact, Iran and Saudi Arabia were not directly involved in war against each other, right? So, there was no reason for the initial pact to impact Iran in any reasonable way. But now that Iran and Saudi Arabia are involved in hostilities, what do you think a second pact implies?

Tell us why on earth Pakistan, KSA, or Turkiye should bother getting involved in open conflict with Iran anyway when this war is clearly - and you and I both know it - winding down like a damp squib? Iran's efforts now appear to lie in extracting some sort of financial leverage over the SoH through negotiation because it is plainly self evident that militarily, we are at an impasse, a point of military stalemate between the belligerent parties.

Because they see this as an opportunity to destroy Iran while Iran is at its weakest fighting the US and Israel. And why do we assume that's true? Well, MBS has literally threatened Iran with destruction when he came to power in 2018, and even before that, a decade before him, the Saudis constantly pressured Obama to "cut the head of the snake". MBS literally created propaganda videos about attacking Iran and publicly said that they would bring war to Tehran.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

So, to make things clear, Turkey is going to fight Israel, right?

I don't know what part of "defense pact" is so hard to understand.

Besides you'll not decide that... and just like war came to Iran's doorstep... who knows what holds true for Turkiye... but one thing holds true... a budding alliance between Greece and zion alongside Cyprus. Perhaps the world is not Iran centric... maybe people have other things to talk and think about... maybe.

 

[ShapurII]

I don't know what part of "defense pact" is so hard to understand.

Besides you'll not decide that... and just like war came to Iran's doorstep... who knows what holds true for Turkiye... but one thing holds true... a budding alliance between Greece and zion alongside Cyprus. Perhaps the world is not Iran centric... maybe people have other things to talk and think about... maybe.

Let me ask my question more precisely then. If Israel attacks Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey will launch a war on Israel then, right?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Because they see this as an opportunity to destroy Iran while Iran is at its weakest

Aha... so because Pakistan and Saudi Arabia couldn't dare take on Iran they added the Turks in the mix.

I have a joke about a clan in exact details... funny how things square.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Let me ask my question more precisely then. If Israel attacks Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey will launch a war on Israel then, right?

You answered it... Turkiye just signed up for that...!

 

[ShapurII]

Aha... so because Pakistan and Saudi Arabia couldn't dare take on Iran they added the Turks in the mix.

I have a joke about a clan in exact details... funny how things square.

You said it, your defense pact with Saudi Arabia was in place when Iran attacked Saudi Arabia with missiles and accepted responsibility for it. And we didn't hear a peep from neither Saudi Arabia, nor Pakistan.

You answered it... Turkiye just signed up for that...!

No, it was a question. And I feel pity for somebody so insane that thinks Turkey will attack Israel lol

 

[BananaRepublic]

Think logically about the sequence of events.

Iran has not been harmed by Pakistan since that first pact was penned. To believe the second pact is designed to harm Iran is your own baseless ideation.

An opportunity arose and has been taken.

Tell us why on earth Pakistan, KSA, or Turkiye should bother getting involved in open conflict with Iran anyway when this war is clearly - and you and I both know it - winding down like a damp squib? Iran's efforts now appear to lie in extracting some sort of financial leverage over the SoH through negotiation because it is plainly self evident that militarily, we are at an impasse, a point of military stalemate between the belligerent parties.

“belligerent parties”?

That implies Iran is belligerent?

If anyone thinks Iran is belligerent over SoH - they have clearly been brainwashed by Zionist media.

The Arabs facilitated the destruction of Iran - SoH is the means to raise the money for rebuilding.

 

[ShapurII]

“belligerent parties”?

That implies Iran is belligerent?

If anyone thinks Iran is belligerent over SoH - they have clearly been brainwashed by Zionist media.

The Arabs facilitated the destruction of Iran - SoH is the means to raise the money for rebuilding.

The issue is even worse than the Strait of Hormuz now. The Strait of Hormuz is just a subplot of something much bigger.

One has to understand that the shadow of war over Iran will not go away as long as Trump is in the office, or the US realizes that their dream of destroying Iran through war is not going to be achieved, which hasn't happened yet.

So, there's a long time left to see what will unfold, and a defense pact during this time, when we know for sure that worse things are yet to come to the region and countries like Saudi Arabia will be involved in those things, is not just a coincidence.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

You said it, your defense pact with Saudi Arabia was in place when Iran attacked Saudi Arabia with missiles and accepted responsibility for it. And we didn't hear a peep from neither Saudi Arabia, nor Pakistan.

Pakistan deployed in Saudi Arabia...
But now that you mentioned Turks are in it... who knows...
May be all they needed were Turks, right?

No, it was a question. And I feel pity for somebody so insane that thinks Turkey will attack Israel lol

Don't let me stop you from thinking otherwise. On your merry way now.

 

[ShapurII]

Pakistan deployed in Saudi Arabia...
But now that you mentioned Turks are in it... who knows...
May be all they needed were Turks, right?

Only after the Ramadhan war ended.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Why did you need a second pact then now that Arabs are in active war with Iran? Haha What a joke.

Bro, I actually think it’s a good thing that there’s a triad between Turkey, Saudi and Pakistan. Turkey will be a moderating force over Saudi and Pakistan.

Iran is big enough and intellectual enough to stand on its own.

The other three countries aren’t at the same level so need to band together to mange US relationship. Pakistan has the added threat from Hinduvta fascists.

 

[Imran S]

What kind of conversation this is by @ShapurII and @Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ.
Every government has right to made pact or not. and this is not related to this thread, kindly stick to the topic

 

[ShapurII]

What kind of conversation this is by @ShapurII and @Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ.
Every government has right to made pact or not. and this is not related to this thread, kindly stick to the topic

I never said that the Pakistani government did not have a right to make a pact. If you read my posts, I actually said exactly the opposite of that.

I said every country has a right to pursue their own interests. Pakistan is obviously no exception to that. However, the Islamic Republic should take into account what Pakistan has done into its future calculations. That's also a trivial thing to say.