Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[MS Sandhu]

Unlike other Muslim states , Türkiye can march its army to Israel through its Syria.

Israel possesses absolute air superiority over all muslim nations. There is no other way around it.
Best bet for Turkey will be to keep the head down until they get something to counter nasty F35s.

Iran/US war just shows how your air dominance can single handedly devastate the enemy.Turkey should be wise enough prepare accordingly.

 

[Immortals]

The era of Xi The Western Appeaser mooching off Iran is coming to a close.

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[Immortals]

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[Immortals]

Israel possesses absolute air superiority over all muslim nations. There is no other way around it.
Best bet for Turkey will be to keep the head down until they get something to counter nasty F35s.

Iran/US war just shows how your air dominance can single handedly devastate the enemy.Turkey should be wise enough prepare accordingly.

Turkey is willing to give its S-400 away to get F-35.

Problem is Israel will not allow Turkey to ever get F-35 again. Turkey should have taken its chance when it had it, but Erdogan set the country back with his stupid policies.

The only thing Turkey has left is its own TFX 5th gen program, but that is heavily supplied by western components and will sabotaged somehow by Mossad.

Israel has Turkey in its sights and only matter of time till they start the propaganda against Turkey.

 

[Falcon29]

Israel possesses absolute air superiority over all muslim nations. There is no other way around it.

Would like military antiquated folks to actually touch on this subject because how do we know that? What is giving them total superiority over Pakistani, Turkish, Saudi, and Egyptian fighter jets ? Not counting the F35 5 gen.

Maybe they have a bit of superiority but to say total superiority we need military analysts to actually touch on this subject

 

[Falcon29]

Turkey is willing to give its S-400 away to get F-35.

Problem is Israel will not allow Turkey to ever get F-35 again. Turkey should have taken its chance when it had it, but Erdogan set the country back with his stupid policies.

The only thing Turkey has left is its own TFX 5th gen program, but that is heavily supplied by western components and will sabotaged somehow by Mossad.

Israel has Turkey in its sights and only matter of time till they start the propaganda against Turkey.

So Turkish, Saudi, Egyptian and Pakistani AF's is obsolete because Israel has squadron of F35's? Is this a joke? Or because some don't have long range US provided BVR missile ? None of us here have Air Force experience.

Avonics and weapons systems of Saudi , Turkish, Pakistani, Egyptian AF is not public knowledge.

Not to mention everyone has taken these into scenarios. A preemptive strike in future conflict may be necessary to delibitate Israeli AF capabilities.

If US radars in region are genuinely being eroded away at, eventually this makes Israel eyes more invisible like they were invisible on border with Gaza on Oct 7.

And this stronger nations may need to train Syrians and Lebanese for airborne operations to take over Israeli airbases on the ground.

It shouldn't come down to air to air battle unless military planners have zero creativity. I think they have creativity but US response may be unpredictable for them and maybe even Israeli.

Will US mount ground operations against entire Levant region and Egyptian coast from Europe if that happens ? Will Europe allow it or cooperate ? What kind of threats will Israel make before threatening use of wmds ? Will they panic and go straight to making such threats or will they panic, stand down and ask for US and European reinforcements ?

What if we wait until around 2029. What if US falls into civil war around that time ? Does it change equation? What if we can convince Jewish people safe exit passage and to stand down from threatening use of nuclear weapons ?

This is not a easy feat and lives of hundreds of millions could be at stake and it's not an easy responsibility for anymore. We aren't necessarily going to lose such many people but the economic fall out and potential sanctions related fall out could put large number of Muslim population into a crisis

 

[MS Sandhu]

Turkey is willing to give its S-400 away to get F-35.

Problem is Israel will not allow Turkey to ever get F-35 again. Turkey should have taken its chance when it had it, but Erdogan set the country back with his stupid policies.

The only thing Turkey has left is its own TFX 5th gen program, but that is heavily supplied by western components and will sabotaged somehow by Mossad.

Israel has Turkey in its sights and only matter of time till they start the propaganda against Turkey.

Buying S400 by jeopardizing F35 was a completely dumbass move by Erdogan.
And Turkey will pay a heavy price for this.When Turkey will have TFX, Israelis would be fking around with F47.
TFX is a far cry despite having western supply chain support.

 

[Immortals]

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[Falcon29]

Nobody should assume that having nuclear weapons will put us in better advantage in fighting such a war. These are ideologically driven people they are not secular.

Asking Muslim nations to trigger the war you need to understand the massive responsibility it would come with towards lives and wellbeing of our own people. It will scarr our children for decades to come.

We are capable of a blitzkrieg opening strike on Israel. The issue is they and potentially their allies might resort to immediate and extreme escalatory steps. We would have to put many people on the ground and close all borders and hold Jewish population of Palestine hostage. It would be such a stressful and difficult war that you need men built for this kind of exact scenario that idk if we have, and if we have, idk if they're in the the right places they need to be in to be able to execute new policies.

It also risks endangering Muslim populations of Europe and potentially USA.

It will make Gaza look like nothing and it will paralyze the world. Even if we win it's gonna be on the ruins of the planet almost. Because the Jews and their backers are ideologically driven and run scenarios of extermination of Muslims population in their heads.

And ofc they are normal people too that can panic and be terrified if we do a brutal enough opening strike and can back down.

It's the just the risks and potentially ways such conflict could play out are high and very unpredictable for both sides.

So think of this before pushing for such conflict and trying to egg Muslim leaders and militaries on to do. We have to tread carefully but if we eventually see writing on wall and have no choice we may have no option but to blow it up. I hope we aren't pushed to the wall like that.

 

[PakAl]

Israel possesses absolute air superiority over all muslim nations. There is no other way around it.
Best bet for Turkey will be to keep the head down until they get something to counter nasty F35s.

Turkey should be wise enough prepare accordingly.

Buying S400 by jeopardizing F35 was a completely dumbass move by Erdogan.
And Turkey will pay a heavy price for this.When Turkey will have TFX, Israelis would be fking around with F47.
TFX is a far cry despite having western supply chain support.

Not only total air superiority but also in a total war Israel will win, they will have access to over 2000+ fighter jets meanwhile individual muslim nations can only have 300 max. Turkey is wise, unlike the Ottomans who stood their ground, followed principles, Turkey is biding their time, give and take and slowly building themselves up.

Kaan will be ready by 2030s, Israel after 2030s will be looking at 6th generation planes, so another generation ahead, although some Turkish people are saying Turkey is already exploring 6th generation planes.

 

[PakAl]

Turkey is willing to give its S-400 away to get F-35.

Problem is Israel will not allow Turkey to ever get F-35 again. Turkey should have taken its chance when it had it, but Erdogan set the country back with his stupid policies.

The only thing Turkey has left is its own TFX 5th gen program, but that is heavily supplied by western components and will sabotaged somehow by Mossad.

Israel has Turkey in its sights and only matter of time till they start the propaganda against Turkey.

Only the engine is issue, the rest is Turkish built over 90% and plans are for 100% Turkish components and engine, they will achieve this but time is needed.

 

[Aryan_B]

Israel possesses absolute air superiority over all muslim nations. There is no other way around it.
Best bet for Turkey will be to keep the head down until they get something to counter nasty F35s.

Iran/US war just shows how your air dominance can single handedly devastate the enemy.Turkey should be wise enough prepare accordingly.

Man after all these posts you still say Israel this and that. Israel possesses FA if US and Germany stopped taps to money Israel would be gone. Look at South Africa when America stopped supporting the whites they negotiated and did a deal with blacks eventually same wil happen with Jews. American people will get wise and see they paying for free Jew health care in Palestine and Jew education etc etc

 

[BHAN85]

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why Iran attacked them today if Iran didnt receive attacks today

 

[Shags101]

Only the engine is issue, the rest is Turkish built over 90% and plans are for 100% Turkish components and engine, they will achieve this but time is needed.

Not saying it’s going to take turkey as long but even china it took almost 20 years before they could build an engine and mass produce after trial and error I do like kaan though it looks nice on paper…that’s all on the topic I just like the kaan so I had to put my 2 cents

 

[Nawnaw1]

The era of Xi The Western Appeaser mooching off Iran is coming to a close.

China can’t play both sides against each other for much longer

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China isn´t playing anybody off against each other. It´s looking after its own interests, plain and simple.