Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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030292
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That means whenever his master satanyahu gives a go ahead he will resume the war, who is he kidding, trump doesnt give a Fk about gcc "allies"
Immortals
Elite Member
They are all meeting at the upcoming UN meetings. Several drones have been shot down in the past several days which points to intelligence gathering.
And there has been reports of air defenses firing and aircraft incursions which could be US/Israel trying to find holes in Iranian air defenses to attack major cities.
Trump could decide to wait till after Nov or launch another major attack in the coming weeks.
Immortals
Elite Member
The Doomsday scenario relied on Iran keeping the strait closed which since July they have refused to enforce. In turn, oil inventories did not fall as much as feared it appears.
China (Xi) also really helped the world by cutting oil import demand.
Watandar
Elite Member
Doom and gloom about increased oil flows and lowered gas prices on one side but then we get articles like this. Who is telling the truth ?
The effects of the U.S.-led war on Iran are about to intensify in the form of huge jumps in the prices of gasoline and diesel, analysts predict. And despite the Trump administration’s assurances, a new and potentially even more economically damaging phase of the war may be about to begin.
Damage inflicted on Saudi Arabia’s East-West pipeline last week, along with continuing strikes on oil infrastructure and contested control over a key waterway, threaten to elevate what had been a shipping crisis into a broader disruption of oil.
The 745-mile pipeline is Saudi Arabia’s principal overland alternative to the Strait of Hormuz, linking eastern oil fields to Red Sea export terminals.
U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright said Tuesday that the pipeline would be operational again in a matter of days, and the White House has touted renewed tanker traffic through the Strait of Hormuz.
But analysts who reviewed images of the pipeline damage anticipate a significantly longer disruption, likely resulting in high prices for consumers well beyond the midterm elections. And maritime tracking organizations say that far less oil is getting through the Strait of Hormuz than the Trump administration claims.
A satellite image shows the Saudi Arabia East-West pipeline after a strike that hit it on September 11. (Vantor/via REUTERS)
Andrew Lipow, a consultant who advises clients on protecting and repairing oil infrastructure, said photos of the pipeline “show a significant amount of damage” and that repairs are likely to “take a month or two.”
“They will need to replace piping, valves, all the electrical stuff,” he said. “It is not like you can just go to Costco and pick that stuff up off-the-shelf.”
Satellite imagery reviewed by The Washington Post revealed damage to at least two pumping stations along the pipeline.
Drone attacks on one, beginning Thursday, were widely reported, and high-resolution imagery collected by Vantor on Sunday showed extensive and significant damage.
At least one other pumping station, about 130 miles east of the first, was also damaged around that time, according to a review of imagery by The Post. A plume of dark smoke, so large it could be seen from space, rose from the western side of the station in a Sept. 10 Planet satellite image.
Because of the shortage of crude oil and the damage the wars in the Middle East and Ukraine have inflicted on refineries that turn it into diesel and gasoline, market analysts are warning that fresh price shocks are about to hit motorists.
Tom Kloza, chief energy adviser for Gulf Oil, predicted on X that Wednesday would “see staggering increases at the pump for both gasoline & diesel.”
“Fuel margins have yet to catch up with previous wholesale hikes,” he wrote. “Watch for huge increases in Great Lakes and Rocky Mountain states in particular.”
“Buckle up,” Patrick De Haan, head of petroleum analysis at the price-tracking platform GasBuddy, wrote Wednesday morning. “Gas and diesel look set for a spike over the next 48 hours, hardest in parts of the nation’s interior.”
The national average price for regular gasoline stood at $4.37 on Wednesday, according to AAA, with a range of $6.04 in California to $3.75 in Indiana. That’s still below the all-time national record of $5.02 in June 2022. But diesel, which has a big influence on trucking and retail prices, has continued to hit records, with the national average at $6.31 on Wednesday. In California, diesel is averaging $8.27.
Gas prices are also shooting up particularly fast in the political battleground states of the Midwest, where rising crude prices have been compounded by a power outage at the ExxonMobil Joliet refinery near Chicago, which typically produces 11 million gallons of gasoline and diesel per day and is a crucial supplier for the region.
By early afternoon Wednesday, according to De Haan’s tracking of real-time data, the price for a gallon of regular had jumped by 30 cents from the day before in Lawrence County, Ohio, and Edwardsburg, Michigan. It was up 28 cents in Des Moines and 26 cents in Belmont County, Ohio.
He said diesel was on track to average $6.59 in Ohio and $6.79 in Michigan by the end of Wednesday.
The disruption to the global energy market has come largely as a result of retaliation by Iran and its proxies to U.S. strikes and economic warfare against Iran.
President Donald Trump launched Operation Epic Fury on Feb. 28, when U.S.-Israeli strikes killed Iranian supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. In recent weeks, Trump has looked to use a naval blockade and economic sanctions to punish Iran.
Instead of capitulating, Iran and its proxies are growing more aggressive.
Saudi Arabia blamed the pipeline damage on Iranian-backed militias in Iraq. Iran-backed Houthi rebels have also been escalating their attacks on Saudi oil infrastructure and have gained territory that gives Iran control over the Bab al-Mandab Strait.
On Wednesday, fighting between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis escalated even further, with the Houthis saying they had downed an F-15 plane and Saudi Arabia accusing the Houthis of firing a drone near the holy site of Mecca, which the Houthis denied.
Taking all that into account, market analyst forecasts are darkening.
“We noted that diesel prices could rise to $6.65/gal by election day based on trends five days ago. Well, trends have worsened — diesel surpassed $6.26/gal already,” Liz Thomas, chief market strategist for the banking and investment firm SoFi, posted on X.
Already, American motorists have paid an additional estimated $107 billion in extra gasoline and diesel costs as a result of the war that began with U.S. and Israeli strikes on Iran on Feb. 28.
The deteriorating outlook comes as the war nears its seven-month mark, with no end in sight and recent diplomatic efforts faltering.
Trump has tried to downplay the risk, saying over the weekend that “everything will work out just fine,” when asked about developments in Yemen that appeared to choke off Saudi Arabia’s remaining outlet for oil exports.
Prices in the U.S. are rising so fast that industry officials are bracing for potential intervention from the White House or Congress, which has few tools left to confront the spiraling costs. One of the remaining options would be an export ban on diesel, which could create chaos in global markets and not necessarily lower prices in the U.S., as domestic refineries are already running at capacity.
Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-South Dakota) told reporters Tuesday that he is open to considering it. “We’ll be looking at any proposal that is a viable solution, but I do think if we have the supply in this country and we’re exporting it right now that might be one way of getting at it,” he said in response to a question, according to a report in Bloomberg News. “If that would take pressure off of prices, you know, I’m open to exploring it.”
Some economists immediately warned such a move would only worsen the energy crunch in the U.S. and abroad.
“The diesel problem is a refining capacity and crude quality problem layered on a war,” Tracy Shuchart, senior economist at the commodities trading platform NinjaTrader, posted on X. “An export ban addresses neither and makes both worse.”
The East-West pipeline has also exposed the limits of Washington’s effort to protect Gulf energy flows. Amid uncertainty around when the pipeline will open again, industry officials are bracing for even more attacks.
Analysts note there are several more vulnerable pumping stations along the pipeline route that could create even more chaos if damaged.
Visual analysis by The Post showed that a third oil facility, an Aramco bulk plant in Abha, a city in the southwest of the country, also appeared to have suffered damage last week. Video taken at a distance from the plant showed the plant on fire, and Planet satellite imagery from Sept. 8 showed a smoke pillar measuring at least 20 miles in length.
Aftermath imagery taken the following day showed at least six storage tanks appeared to have been impacted.
And while the pipeline has been the “headliner,” said Brett Erickson, geopolitical expert who sits on the board of Seton Hall’s School of Diplomacy and International Relations, the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels have been “hammering” other Saudi oil infrastructure.
On Wednesday, in the most recent example, the Houthis said that they attacked Saudi Arabia’s Aramco facility in Yanbu with dozens of ballistic missiles and drones, causing large fires and destruction.
“What has become clear is the inability of Saudi Arabia to protect its infrastructure,” Erickson said, adding that satellite imagery shows that during the pipeline attack on Friday, it was not just one pumping station that was hit, but three.
“It is intentional that the Houthis and Iraqi militias have not struck the pipeline more,” he said. “Because the real death knell will be getting it repaired to 95 percent, then striking again. That is really where they become dangerous.”
Fire data from NASA’s Fire Information for Resource Management System also detected a flare on Wednesday over the Aramco refinery in the Red Sea port of Yanbu, where the East-West pipeline runs to, this week, but The Post was unable to verify what the cause of the flare was.
Bob McNally, who founded the research firm Rapidan Energy Group and was an energy adviser in the George W. Bush administration, predicted that Iran is going “to keep trying to raise the price of crude oil to pressure Trump to capitulate.”
He said the U.S. has made progress helping ships navigate through the Strait of Hormuz, despite constant threats of Iranian attacks. But that success has been offset by the potentially more enduring damage caused by attacks on oil infrastructure.
The East-West pipeline was a key factor in keeping fuel prices from soaring even higher than they did in the past several months. It was part of what McNally described as a three-legged stool that helped mitigate the economic damage from the halting of most shipping traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. Ask The Post AIDive deeper
The other two legs of that stool were China cutting back its imports of oil substantially — easing the global shortage — and the U.S. and other countries tapping hundreds of millions of barrels of emergency reserves. Now, the reserves are mostly tapped out,
China’s appetite for imported oil has come roaring back, and the pipeline has been knocked out of commission. At the same time, traffic through the Strait of Hormuz is far from restored to the level it was at before the war.
Gas prices are about to take a big jump, analysts say, with the worst still to come
The forecast of economic impacts beyond November’s midterms contrast with the Trump administration’s optimistic messaging.The effects of the U.S.-led war on Iran are about to intensify in the form of huge jumps in the prices of gasoline and diesel, analysts predict. And despite the Trump administration’s assurances, a new and potentially even more economically damaging phase of the war may be about to begin.
Damage inflicted on Saudi Arabia’s East-West pipeline last week, along with continuing strikes on oil infrastructure and contested control over a key waterway, threaten to elevate what had been a shipping crisis into a broader disruption of oil.
The 745-mile pipeline is Saudi Arabia’s principal overland alternative to the Strait of Hormuz, linking eastern oil fields to Red Sea export terminals.
U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright said Tuesday that the pipeline would be operational again in a matter of days, and the White House has touted renewed tanker traffic through the Strait of Hormuz.
But analysts who reviewed images of the pipeline damage anticipate a significantly longer disruption, likely resulting in high prices for consumers well beyond the midterm elections. And maritime tracking organizations say that far less oil is getting through the Strait of Hormuz than the Trump administration claims.
A satellite image shows the Saudi Arabia East-West pipeline after a strike that hit it on September 11. (Vantor/via REUTERS)
Andrew Lipow, a consultant who advises clients on protecting and repairing oil infrastructure, said photos of the pipeline “show a significant amount of damage” and that repairs are likely to “take a month or two.”
“They will need to replace piping, valves, all the electrical stuff,” he said. “It is not like you can just go to Costco and pick that stuff up off-the-shelf.”
Satellite imagery reviewed by The Washington Post revealed damage to at least two pumping stations along the pipeline.
Drone attacks on one, beginning Thursday, were widely reported, and high-resolution imagery collected by Vantor on Sunday showed extensive and significant damage.
At least one other pumping station, about 130 miles east of the first, was also damaged around that time, according to a review of imagery by The Post. A plume of dark smoke, so large it could be seen from space, rose from the western side of the station in a Sept. 10 Planet satellite image.
Because of the shortage of crude oil and the damage the wars in the Middle East and Ukraine have inflicted on refineries that turn it into diesel and gasoline, market analysts are warning that fresh price shocks are about to hit motorists.
Tom Kloza, chief energy adviser for Gulf Oil, predicted on X that Wednesday would “see staggering increases at the pump for both gasoline & diesel.”
“Fuel margins have yet to catch up with previous wholesale hikes,” he wrote. “Watch for huge increases in Great Lakes and Rocky Mountain states in particular.”
“Buckle up,” Patrick De Haan, head of petroleum analysis at the price-tracking platform GasBuddy, wrote Wednesday morning. “Gas and diesel look set for a spike over the next 48 hours, hardest in parts of the nation’s interior.”
The national average price for regular gasoline stood at $4.37 on Wednesday, according to AAA, with a range of $6.04 in California to $3.75 in Indiana. That’s still below the all-time national record of $5.02 in June 2022. But diesel, which has a big influence on trucking and retail prices, has continued to hit records, with the national average at $6.31 on Wednesday. In California, diesel is averaging $8.27.
Gas prices are also shooting up particularly fast in the political battleground states of the Midwest, where rising crude prices have been compounded by a power outage at the ExxonMobil Joliet refinery near Chicago, which typically produces 11 million gallons of gasoline and diesel per day and is a crucial supplier for the region.
By early afternoon Wednesday, according to De Haan’s tracking of real-time data, the price for a gallon of regular had jumped by 30 cents from the day before in Lawrence County, Ohio, and Edwardsburg, Michigan. It was up 28 cents in Des Moines and 26 cents in Belmont County, Ohio.
He said diesel was on track to average $6.59 in Ohio and $6.79 in Michigan by the end of Wednesday.
The disruption to the global energy market has come largely as a result of retaliation by Iran and its proxies to U.S. strikes and economic warfare against Iran.
President Donald Trump launched Operation Epic Fury on Feb. 28, when U.S.-Israeli strikes killed Iranian supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. In recent weeks, Trump has looked to use a naval blockade and economic sanctions to punish Iran.
Instead of capitulating, Iran and its proxies are growing more aggressive.
Saudi Arabia blamed the pipeline damage on Iranian-backed militias in Iraq. Iran-backed Houthi rebels have also been escalating their attacks on Saudi oil infrastructure and have gained territory that gives Iran control over the Bab al-Mandab Strait.
On Wednesday, fighting between Saudi Arabia and the Houthis escalated even further, with the Houthis saying they had downed an F-15 plane and Saudi Arabia accusing the Houthis of firing a drone near the holy site of Mecca, which the Houthis denied.
Taking all that into account, market analyst forecasts are darkening.
“We noted that diesel prices could rise to $6.65/gal by election day based on trends five days ago. Well, trends have worsened — diesel surpassed $6.26/gal already,” Liz Thomas, chief market strategist for the banking and investment firm SoFi, posted on X.
Already, American motorists have paid an additional estimated $107 billion in extra gasoline and diesel costs as a result of the war that began with U.S. and Israeli strikes on Iran on Feb. 28.
The deteriorating outlook comes as the war nears its seven-month mark, with no end in sight and recent diplomatic efforts faltering.
Trump has tried to downplay the risk, saying over the weekend that “everything will work out just fine,” when asked about developments in Yemen that appeared to choke off Saudi Arabia’s remaining outlet for oil exports.
Prices in the U.S. are rising so fast that industry officials are bracing for potential intervention from the White House or Congress, which has few tools left to confront the spiraling costs. One of the remaining options would be an export ban on diesel, which could create chaos in global markets and not necessarily lower prices in the U.S., as domestic refineries are already running at capacity.
Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-South Dakota) told reporters Tuesday that he is open to considering it. “We’ll be looking at any proposal that is a viable solution, but I do think if we have the supply in this country and we’re exporting it right now that might be one way of getting at it,” he said in response to a question, according to a report in Bloomberg News. “If that would take pressure off of prices, you know, I’m open to exploring it.”
Some economists immediately warned such a move would only worsen the energy crunch in the U.S. and abroad.
“The diesel problem is a refining capacity and crude quality problem layered on a war,” Tracy Shuchart, senior economist at the commodities trading platform NinjaTrader, posted on X. “An export ban addresses neither and makes both worse.”
The East-West pipeline has also exposed the limits of Washington’s effort to protect Gulf energy flows. Amid uncertainty around when the pipeline will open again, industry officials are bracing for even more attacks.
Analysts note there are several more vulnerable pumping stations along the pipeline route that could create even more chaos if damaged.
Visual analysis by The Post showed that a third oil facility, an Aramco bulk plant in Abha, a city in the southwest of the country, also appeared to have suffered damage last week. Video taken at a distance from the plant showed the plant on fire, and Planet satellite imagery from Sept. 8 showed a smoke pillar measuring at least 20 miles in length.
Aftermath imagery taken the following day showed at least six storage tanks appeared to have been impacted.
And while the pipeline has been the “headliner,” said Brett Erickson, geopolitical expert who sits on the board of Seton Hall’s School of Diplomacy and International Relations, the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels have been “hammering” other Saudi oil infrastructure.
On Wednesday, in the most recent example, the Houthis said that they attacked Saudi Arabia’s Aramco facility in Yanbu with dozens of ballistic missiles and drones, causing large fires and destruction.
“What has become clear is the inability of Saudi Arabia to protect its infrastructure,” Erickson said, adding that satellite imagery shows that during the pipeline attack on Friday, it was not just one pumping station that was hit, but three.
“It is intentional that the Houthis and Iraqi militias have not struck the pipeline more,” he said. “Because the real death knell will be getting it repaired to 95 percent, then striking again. That is really where they become dangerous.”
Fire data from NASA’s Fire Information for Resource Management System also detected a flare on Wednesday over the Aramco refinery in the Red Sea port of Yanbu, where the East-West pipeline runs to, this week, but The Post was unable to verify what the cause of the flare was.
Bob McNally, who founded the research firm Rapidan Energy Group and was an energy adviser in the George W. Bush administration, predicted that Iran is going “to keep trying to raise the price of crude oil to pressure Trump to capitulate.”
He said the U.S. has made progress helping ships navigate through the Strait of Hormuz, despite constant threats of Iranian attacks. But that success has been offset by the potentially more enduring damage caused by attacks on oil infrastructure.
The East-West pipeline was a key factor in keeping fuel prices from soaring even higher than they did in the past several months. It was part of what McNally described as a three-legged stool that helped mitigate the economic damage from the halting of most shipping traffic through the Strait of Hormuz. Ask The Post AIDive deeper
The other two legs of that stool were China cutting back its imports of oil substantially — easing the global shortage — and the U.S. and other countries tapping hundreds of millions of barrels of emergency reserves. Now, the reserves are mostly tapped out,
China’s appetite for imported oil has come roaring back, and the pipeline has been knocked out of commission. At the same time, traffic through the Strait of Hormuz is far from restored to the level it was at before the war.
Falcon29
Elite Member
Farmers and truckers reaching their breaking point. This isn't just due to this war but overall Trump policies. What is Trump administrations plan? He might collapse the country and declare marshall law if the government doesn't intervene
Falcon29
Elite Member
Why are US elites silent ? Do they not feel threatened from this situation or did Zionist elite decide to discard and ruin America because Americans have at last rebelled against Israel ?
retaxis
Trusted Member
I forsee prices of oil gas and diesel going further up substantially for 3 main reasons
1. China is starting to buy more and more oil
2. East West pipeline Saudi can be bombed anytime easily including port city of yanbu
3. Habshan-Fujairah Pipeline of UAE which bypass strait of hormuz can be bombed easily
Therefore i can't see prices going down anytime soon
1. China is starting to buy more and more oil
2. East West pipeline Saudi can be bombed anytime easily including port city of yanbu
3. Habshan-Fujairah Pipeline of UAE which bypass strait of hormuz can be bombed easily
Therefore i can't see prices going down anytime soon
Mighty_Dragon_Strike
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Desert
Registered Member
Can't Russia offer China cheap oil? There is also Kazakhistan.
Immortals
Elite Member
Why would U.S. elites care?
Do the elites in Russia care?
Do the elites in Iran care?
When have elites ever cared about the average citizen being under economic pressure?
Immortals
Elite Member
Russia dated crude goes for $130+
Why would they give Xi the Western appeaser who may or may not have had a stroke in India, a major discount when supply is tight?
Falcon29
Elite Member
It's a rhetorical question to make people question the elites
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