Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Navid09]

I agree it wouldn’t prevent an attack because USA has nukes.

But a non nuke country would never dare instigate a war.

Falklands war
Yom Kippur war
Korean war
Vietnam war
Russian-Georgian War
Saddam's attacks against Israel

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[BananaRepublic]

Why wouldn't you take this?

Because Iranians aren’t slaves?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran apparently hacked Israel’s surveillance cameras

Israel did the same thing in Tehran years ago

 

[Master Chief]

Stop the BS mental gymnastics to justify Munir’s actions. Munir has dramatically shifted his stance on the conflict since March. He is now allowing the U.S. carrier group to camp in Pakistan territorial waters to avoid Iranian missiles. Pakistan has now closed its borders to trade after throttling traffic before this event.

Now you have the audacity to expect Iran to let Munir and his band of thugs to continue to get energy for free while the rest of the world has to wait in line for an STS transfer? can you explain why Pakistan’s military junta deserves this exception?

What would Pakistanis say if Iran had the Indian navy hiding in its waters? Try to reverse roles for a second before you think that everything is a conspiracy against nation of Pakistan.

It's you who is touting conspiracy theories perpetually. Everyone's against Iran all of a sudden! It's Iraq's fault or Russia's fault or China's fault or Pakistan's fault.... This is most of what we now hear on this thread.

As said before, there are other explanations for the border closure than the simple paranoid reaction that "Pakistan is partaking in an embargo!". You can ignore the real game at hand here that simultaneous attacks on Iran and Pakistan have been observed before (only last year Apr/May) as part of strategy from a hostile nexus if you wish but Pakistan is fully aware of it and will thwart it, regardless of your paranoia.

As for Iranian ships and even Iranian aerial assets, have you forgotten that they have been kept safe on multiple recent occasions within Pakistani territory?

And yet, the honest and constructive criticism of Iranian actions seems to fall on deaf ears.

How has supporting proxies actually helped Iran over the last 40 odd years? Is there ANY return on investment you can point to from the Hamas, Hezb, Houthis network...this Triple H network was just a foolish game from the get go that - while intentions were noble, no doubt - was only going to end in calamity.

Iran's strategy was always significantly flawed and today it seems to remain dependent on the actions (or inactions) of numerous other nations in order to see it through to fruition. Who on earth goes to war hoping that a number of other sovereign nations behave in a precise manner of your choosing that will only then create the perfect conditions and context to deliver Iranian redemption? Tell me how this is regarded as rational military planning.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Falklands war
Yom Kippur war
Korean war
Vietnam war
Russian-Georgian War
Saddam's attacks against Israel

- Argentina did not attack the U.K. Falklands is not part of the U.K.

Israel did not have nukes at that time.

USA started all the other wars.

 

[r3alist]

Because Iranians aren’t slaves?

Do you have a profound definition of what a free person is?

Choosing war is freedom..... From a future

 

[Persian Gulf]

Sums up Iran’s situation

 

[Master Chief]

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Why has the CSG suddenly entered these waters when they haven’t been here before? Why operate so far away from Oman and Arabian Sea? Because they want to drag Pakistan into this mess when Iranian anti ship anti ship ballistic missiles fall in areas dominated by Pakistani merchant vessels!

This can only be done with the explicit approval of Munir!

Exclusive Economic Zone is NOT the same a territorial waters. I have gone to great lengths on this very thread explaining that 12 perpendicular miles remains the global standard for designated territorial reach and anything beyond that is beyond a nation's jurisdiction. This is precisely why Oman shares jurisdiction of the Strait of Hormuz with Iran.

 

[Master Chief]

Please remember these words when Pakistan protests attacks on its sovereignty when the war breaks out in next few weeks.

Attacks in International Waters are not Pakistan's concern. If USA can conduct such operations, Iran has the same right.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Exclusive Economic Zone is NOT the same a territorial waters. I have gone to great lengths on this very thread explaining that 12 perpendicular miles remains the global standard for designated territorial reach and anything beyond that is beyond a nation's jurisdiction. This is precisely why Oman shares jurisdiction of the Strait of Hormuz with Iran.

 

[r3alist]

Exclusive Economic Zone is NOT the same a territorial waters. I have gone to great lengths on this very thread explaining that 12 perpendicular miles remains the global standard for designated territorial reach and anything beyond that is beyond a nation's jurisdiction. This is precisely why Oman shares jurisdiction of the Strait of Hormuz with Iran.

Still Choosing NOT TO accept this

 

[BananaRepublic]

Do you have a profound definition of what a free person is?

Choosing war is freedom..... From a future

Yes! You just need a very basic moral and spinal compass.

It goes like this:

If someone thumps you on the street for no reason. Then enters your home killing your loved ones and sets fire to your house.

Would you:

1. Chase them to the end of the world to get justice.

2. Let them bomb you again and then shake hands.

It’s not a hard question?

I await your answer.

 

[Master Chief]

Yes genius. They are being told to eff off.

What makes you think US helicopters even need to fly through Pakistani airspace to conduct their operations in the Indian Ocean?