Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shags202]

I'm very critical of Arab state leaders but it's not accurate what he said

agree but I did the same thing the other day and you came swinging at me lol and not always need to swing(didn’t take any offense to it honestly I rarely ever get offended on the site)at people but you can ask people for clarification not the end of the world….i have been behaving myself as of late staying away from threads that are constantly being bombarded with spam……..

 

[Shags202]

I totally agree on that I’m thinking if it’s true and their defense chief in Israel has pushed back against Bibi and Bibi loses honestly 50/50 with Israel’s “elections” Trump might order and attack once he knows what election results are there or Iran actually might go and greet the new Israeli leaders if Bibi has lost but either way I’m for the 28 or before midterms

 

[Falcon29]

I see more likely that picture with a warmonger like Bibi, than with a hypothetical peaceful candidate that doesnt exist in current Israel .

They are playing fearmongering since Oct 7.

I think, Oct 7 was allowed, just to make the long awaited Iran war / Middle East destruction, wished by USA since 2010, when those plans became serious.

I don't think it was allowed. An attack Iran was planned/scheduled for Trump's second term. Israel was somewhat afraid of Hezbollah. But the aftermath of Oct 7 made conditions more favorable.

We should remind everyone all 'Oct.7' was, was a targeted strike on the IDF southern division (the military bases of Israel around the city and some security/government targets in the South.

The Israeli attack on Gaza was planned ahead of time, meaning they always planned such a criminal assault because they believed it would succeed in forcing Palestinians out of Gaza. Netanyahu was hoping this way that Egypt would be forced/pressured to take in Palestinians. In other words Israel committed genocide with the hopes it would facilitate an expulsion of Palestinian population out of Gaza. That's why they killed so many people.

They did not do it for a military objective or even out of anger. Which makes it even more evil and unforgivable.

 

[Goenitz]

Imran Khan (July 2019): "I’m not sure whether all the countries realize the gravity of the situation if there’s a conflict with Iran. People don’t understand, you know, this is not going to be the same as Iraq. This could be much, much, much worse."

 

[retaxis]

What happened to Hezbollah? Why are they not fighting ? People said they had 100k+ missiles why are they not hitting Israel?

 

[Falcon29]

I totally agree on that I’m thinking if it’s true and their defense chief in Israel has pushed back against Bibi and Bibi loses honestly 50/50 with Israel’s “elections” Trump might order and attack once he knows what election results are there or Iran actually might go and greet the new Israeli leaders if Bibi has lost but either way I’m for the 28 or before midterms

Imo it would be a mistake by Trump. Not sure why Iran would agree to anything after that if another Epic Fury style 40 day operation was carried out. And I think Iran cannot afford to be restrained this time around. If they do they'll be degraded militarily without having raised the cost and after that the sanctions + attempts to stir up unrest in Iran will be more likely to have a big impact.

If it's a short 3-4 days I'm not sure how Iran would decide to react.

If Trump goes hard it will be interpreted as a regime change attempt and Iranian regime will try to burn it down. It's riskier than previous attacks but tbf Epic Fury was risky too and he still went with it.

 

[Falcon29]

Imo it would be a mistake by Trump. Not sure why Iran would agree to anything after that if another Epic Fury style 40 day operation was carried out. And I think Iran cannot afford to be restrained this time around. If they do they'll be degraded militarily without having raised the cost and after that the sanctions + attempts to stir up unrest in Iran will be more likely to have a big impact.

If it's a short 3-4 days I'm not sure how Iran would decide to react.

If Trump goes hard it will be interpreted as a regime change attempt and Iranian regime will try to burn it down. It's riskier than previous attacks but tbf Epic Fury was risky too and he still went with it.

Basically it's riskier not because Iran is super powerful. It's not.

But Iranian regime will much more likely view it as regime change attempt and go after sensitive targets in the region as they'll be left in a bad spot by the end of the war that will put them in a significantly weaker position.

 

[Flotilla]

I'm very critical of Arab state leaders but it's not accurate what he said

Well, cut him some slack. If anyone has the right to be angry and reproach the rest of the Muslim world, it’s the Iranians.

I think he’s right—the Arab regimes do absolutely nothing. But then again, I can’t really blame the Arabs, either.

Israel and the United States have carefully woven a web of secular dictators to wrap Israel in a protective cocoon. But anyway, that’s a different debate.

Poor "Immortals"—who wouldn’t suffer when their country is constantly getting hammered by those bastards?

 

[Falcon29]

 

[Immortals]

It will be interesting to wait and see Turkey's reaction to Israeli aggression against the country.

Turkey won’t do a damn thing! Erdogan is Bibi’s personal donkey! He knows damn well the perilous state of the Turkish economy. And unlike Iran, Turkey is not energy independent and Israel can halt all energy into Turkey in 48 hours! Turkeys economy can easily be shut down, much easier than shutting down Iranian economy.

It doesn’t matter how many soldiers Turkey has or how many weapons or how many shiny aircraft. Turkish military is no match in fighting Israel wether in Syria or in the Mediterranean.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Zanjani for President…

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Flotilla]

Imran Khan (July 2019): "I’m not sure whether all the countries realize the gravity of the situation if there’s a conflict with Iran. People don’t understand, you know, this is not going to be the same as Iraq. This could be much, much, much worse."

And do you know why it will be much worse? Because of two factors.

First, asymmetric warfare. Iran has prepared a web of asymmetric, redundant, and resilient attack systems—most of them located underground. They will survive months of bombardment. And—even worse—they have managed to move the production of these assets underground, which guarantees years of fierce resistance.

Second: zero support from the West. In both Iraq and Libya, there was direct logistical and political support from within the EU. Germany provided its bases and made public statements about the freedom of the Libyan or Iraqi people. Today, Merz just laughs—going so far as to say publicly that Trump risks making a fool of himself. This insecure, politically correct Germany—a loyal servant to Israel and the United States—has never said anything of the sort in its short democratic history.

Israel and the United States are on their own.

If they want to deploy heavy bombers, they’ll have to fly them from American soil—a journey of dozens of hours—with results that are, to say the least, questionable (given the granite mountains). Should any risk arise—from crew fatigue to a technical malfunction—the flight crew of a B-1 or B-2 might find themselves walking the streets of Tehran, much like in Saigon. And you know what? That is exactly what I hope for. May Daedalus burn his wings and lose every single one of his teeth for daring to challenge the gods...

 

[Flotilla]

That's more than good.
When military power disagrees with politicians, the mission success diminishes dramatically. Wow.