Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[LongLiveIran]

Agreed. But foe after foe. Please do not forge a coalition. Iran won the Battle in the UN and in the media. Even traditional US media recognize the limited impact. Don't waste such precious partial victories in one overreacted action that would force all fascists europeans governments to support Israel or even US in a controverted adventure.

There has to be a response from Iran and it has to be bloody in my opinion. Otherwise we will lose our deterrence even more. They have killed 5 Iranians in this attack.

This is spiraling out of control. Khamenei understands this very well. And with Trump coming back to the office, things are quite unpredictable at this point.

Iran needs nuclear deterrence more than ever.

 

[Lulldapull]

I love how turkey didn't achieve any of its goals in Syria and now has Kurds on 2 fronts . did you enjoy the attack on your copy paste israeli drone factory?

Al-Turkiya has long been sidelined as totally irrelevant.

Iran cuts their cheap gas and they’d be in hot water.

 

[Flotilla]

There has to be a response from Iran. Otherwise we will lose our deterrence even more.
This is spiraling out of control. Khamenei understands this very well. And with Trump coming back to the office, things are quite unpredictable at this point.

Iran needs nuclear deterrence more than ever.

That is another issue. For sure Iran need nuclear deterrence. We are talking about a True Promise III with devastating effects that can drag Trump to the White House, then a international coalition and finally a air campaign with much more than 100 aircrafts in few months.

 

[Liquidator]

Anyway

Where are our resident baby killers? You can come out of your bunkers now these pesky Indians are trying to do your hasbara for you. Surely you don't want to leave your mighty hasbara to some idolatrous kind?

We need to hear your copium.....are you a bit sad no babies got killed in iran? Failed mission wasn't it?

 

[LongLiveIran]

That is another issue. For sure Iran need nuclear deterrence. We are talking about a True Promise III with devastating effects that can drag Trump to the White House, then a international coalition and finally a air campaign with much more than 100 aircrafts in few months.

Yes, but there is no guarantee that we won't get there without True Promise III. Is there?

Let's not forget that it was Israel that kept provoking Iran until Iran had no choice but to launch TP I. Iran didn't choose to attack Israel. It was forced to do so.

 

[ToddE]

I agree. I just want to know your oppinion. Should Iran respond to this attack?. IMO no. Still not. If Iran does so it would risk a US intervention.

I for one think this was already a pre-bargained/allowed attack which is why nuclear sites were not touched at all. Iran had something to blackmail the adversary into coming to the table where a deal of damage-less strike + Iran doing nothing in return was probably decided. Israel needed this to maintain the image of IDF in front of their own masses who never saw/imagined what Iran did to Israeli airspace few weeks ago. I am not saying that with certainty, it's just a guess based upon how these countries operate covertly.

To attain long-term peace, retaliation should be strategic, not conventional. Leadership should test fission devices in the south and go tight lipped over it. The nuclear ambiguity doctrine is more dangerous than anything. Iran has shown it can make a mess of Israeli air defense, they should control the escalation scale now.

Nobody doubts than Iran can crush Israel like a zoosk. But a possible US intervention in a possible retaliatory strike would be much more significant. Depending on the entity of a probably True Promise III even RAF and Luftwaffe could intervene.

I think It is the moment to transfer more and better weapons to Hezbolah and others members of the Resistance and force Israel to be expelled from Lebanon and total defeat of Netanyahu in his Eagle Nest cabinet.

If you remove the transfer of THAAD, US has stayed mostly neutral in in this round between Iran and Israel. My guess is that US deeper state signaled Israel by engaging with Iran diplomatically that US has its own interests in the region which do not match with Israeli moves. AIPAC-fueled US governments are mere puppets with no actual power which is why nobody changes the foriegn policy. The global superpower has a deep state made of its very rational people. Jews with cash bags, reality TV stars, and dumb corporate CEOs are not running US as people believe.

US staying neutral means EU stays out, EU has no military bite without the US getting involved. NATO was created to control Europe first using cold war excuse but thats another discussion.

 

[Flotilla]

Yes, but there is no guarantee that we won't get there without True Promise III. Is there?

Let's not forget that it was Israel that kept provoking Iran until Iran had no choice but to launch TP I. Iran didn't choose to attack Israel. It was forced to do so.

Israel is walking from mistake after mistake. First of them were to wake up from the negotiating table and forget their hostages (everybody knows that they don't give a sh*t for them). Second was bombing the iranian consulate section inside the Iranian embassy. And third was pagers explosives and the bombastic speech that they would alone change the face of the entire Middle East.
Let them commit more mistakes. They lost miserably the 100 fighters attacks. Even the fascist site TWZ recognizes the very límited damage.
If you let Netanyahu at the front of the country he will sink it as Hitler lost his armies in futile and costly battles.

 

[LongLiveIran]

Israel is walking from mistake after mistake. First of them were to wake up from the negotiating table and forget their hostages (everybody knows that they don't give a sh*t for them). Second was bombing the iranian consulate section inside the Iranian embassy. And third was pagers explosives and the bombastic speech that they would alone change the face of the entire Middle East.
Let them commit more mistakes. They lost miserably the 100 fighters attacks. Even the fascist site TWZ recognizes the very límited damage.
If you let Netanyahu at the front of the country he will sink it as Hitler lost his armies in futile and costly battles.

I agree but Netanyahu needs to prolong the war to stay in power. There is no guarantee that Israel would stop provoking Iran if Iran doesn't respond to this violation of Iranian sovereignty. What if they would go for something bigger next time?

One optimistic scenario, which has a decent chance of happening, is that if Iran continues to keep Israel engaged in war, while Iran humiliates Israel publicly with operations like TP II, that may force Israelis to get rid of Netanyahu. Israel has been in the state of war for 13 months already but in the last weeks, it has become unbearable for their land-stealing settlers.

 

[MMM-E]

Killing these people only has a media effect for them.

USA-İsrael killed all the leaders who attacked Israel and Israeli People

SULEIMANI , REISI , NASRALLAH , HANIYE and SINVAR

GAZZA was destroyed , LEBANON under heavy attack and the next target is SYRIA

Israeli Air Force attacked Iranian targets
Iran should say thanks to USA who is blocking Israel to attack on Iranian Nuclear and oil-gas facilities ... and Iran can not stop the Israeli Air Force


You still boast about launching a few missiles under this heavy defeat

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

1) it doesn’t appear that Iran’s IADS is fully matured or saturated enough

Solutions: Increased funding for Bavar-373 and other long range systems and possible procurement of S-400 and eventually S-500 for hypersonic threats

2) Quadcopters are still a threat to major Iranian sites

Solution: increased funding to laser and anti drone systems

3) Iran’s IADS cannot be expected to shoulder the entire burden during an extended conflict

Solutions: increased funding for Iranian domestic interceptor project and SU-35 procurement. Talks with Russia about strategically producing SU-57 or SU-75. In case of SU-57, India got hosed on their joint project with Russia with Russia not turning over any sensitive ToT. However, India is a western allied country so I’m not suprised that Russia didn’t turn over such tech to Indians.



Long story short Iran needs to substantially increase its air defense system production as well as having an enough fighter jet interceptors to keep its own skies relatively clear in case of extended war.

What happened to domestic fighter jet development in Iran? There were gradual pronouncements in this area about a decade ago. Has it been less funded in the previous governments?

 

[Tijani]

You started by calling my post nonsense without saying anything constructive. That's disrespectful. You think we can indefinitely launch missile attacks on Israel and Israel won't be able to harm us. That's emotional. You assumed I was anti-Iran and I take that as an insult to me. You didn't even know me to begin with. You could at least show some level of respect and give me the benefit of the doubt before trying to pick a fight with me.

You post a statement on a public forum and then get offended when someone state that you assumptions are nonsense, as in the definition nonsensical, devoid of factual evidence. You asked for clarification and was provided such. Nothing disrespectful about that. You resort to calling people imbeciles. Then you assume to know my mind despite what I've written and then continue to accuse me of untrue behaviour. That is emotional behaviour. You're lashing out at me for not agreeing with your statements. I have nowhere stated what you've ascribed to me. Since I found your statements to be nonsensical I henceforth continued to ask who someone called "Longliveiran" could write such nonsense. I afford you the same respect I afford everyone else. This is a public forum and I have no whatsoever reason to pick a fight with you. Do not take things personal because they're not.
Please let this be what it is and we can move on. I believe I've written nothing of disregard to you and do not take your words personally. Let's move on and leave each other in peace. Plenty of other people around for both of us to engage with. Have a lovely one

 

[Shawnee]

USA-İsrael killed all the leaders who attacked Israel and Israeli People

SULEIMANI , REISI , NASRALLAH , HANIYE and SINVAR

Israeli Air Force attacked Iranian targets
GAZZA was destroyed , LEBANON under heavy attack and the next target is SYRIA


You still boast about launching a few missiles under this heavy defeat

Hanyeh was Turkeys Erdogan friend in each scene and member of Muslim brotherhood.

Now you mock him here and do not even pretend to protect him. Interesting.

US Israel attacked your Tusas just last week.

 

[LongLiveIran]

You post a statement on a public forum and then get offended when someone state that you assumptions are nonsense, as in the definition nonsensical, devoid of factual evidence. You asked for clarification and was provided such. Nothing disrespectful about that. You resort to calling people imbeciles. Then you assume to know my mind despite what I've written and then continue to accuse me of untrue behaviour. That is emotional behaviour. You're lashing out at me for not agreeing with your statements. I have nowhere stated what you've ascribed to me. Since I found your statements to be nonsensical I henceforth continued to ask who someone called "Longliveiran" could write such nonsense. I afford you the same respect I afford everyone else. This is a public forum and I have no whatsoever reason to pick a fight with you. Do not take things personal because they're not.
Please let this be what it is and we can move on. I believe I've written nothing of disregard to you and do not take your words personally. Let's move on and leave each other in peace. Plenty of other people around for both of us to engage with. Have a lovely one

Agreed. Let's move on and leave each other in peace.

 

[Musings]

USA and Israel killed most critical persons in Iran , HAMAS and HEZBOLLAH


-- USA-Israel killed Qasem Soleimani, Commander of the Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps in Baghdat/Iraq

-- Israel bombed Iran's consulate building in Damascus / Syria
and 8 people died including top Revolutionary Guard commander

-- Iranian President REISI lost his life in a suspicious Helicopter crash

-- USA-İsrael killed HAMAS Leaders HANİYE and SINVAR

-- USA-İsrael killed HEZBOLLAH Leader NASRALLAH

-- Israeli Air Forces hit Iranian targets a few days ago

Iran should say thanks to USA who is blocking Israel to attack Iranian nuclear and oil-gas facilities


Iran can not do anything except firing Ballistic Missiles
No one dies ..

USA-İsrael is so happy with weak Iranian response

The only Islamic nation attempting to stand up to the full force of the west when attacking whats left of Gaza and Lebanon and you attempt cheap shots against them?
I guess Turkey is busy making sure oil is getting to the Israeli? You ought to look at your own nation and the plastic vocal support Erdogan shows for Palestinians and in reality is lining his nations pockets. Shameful.
I admire Iranian stance to the onslaught. Shame not more Muslamic nations arent standing up and showing support.

 

[MihanDefender]

Al-Turkiya has long been sidelined as totally irrelevant.

Iran cuts their cheap gas and they’d be in hot water.

turkey is a nonplayer, a lapdog of the west but not even the west considers them as humans, they paid for the f-35 never got it and didnt even get their money back, EU has said turkey will never join EU, they tried getting rid of Assad instead they got Kurds on 2 fronts now which will cause them serious problems in the future. All turks do is talk, just like their erdogan nothing but talk but no action, its a country stuck in the middle and nobody trusts.