Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shawnee]

remember when Hezbollah responded to Shukr's assassination Israel interdicted it and launched huge strikes at the same time

that is smart because it enables Israel to launch another wave of blows while the enemy is trying to respond to the last blow

we should have sent MRBMs already to Israel while their attacks were ongoing, then it's harder for them to launch another response

but too late for that, can't expect too much initiative from IRI

We are ready for a nuclear first strike by US (because of the lesson from Lebanon)
Zero trust

Let alone a quadcopter show

 

[Persian Gulf]

Looks like you are Shaah from the last forum. Correct?
Alamut castles are for nuclear second strike not first strike.

US detected the prior attack but not in time to preemp it and Iran did not try to hid it well either.

not correct

they had 4+ hours to pre-empt it, they chose not to

how else can Iran fire 200+ missiles at once? they must take the launchers outside and prepare them to be fired, this takes time and is very visible to US satellites watching Iran's missile bases 24/7

 

[LongLiveIran]

We are ready for a nuclear first strike.
Let alone a quadcopter show

Please don't say that

 

[Persian Gulf]

A 5-10 minute window is more than good enough to target Israeli F-35s if we can achieve it. They can't take off in 5 minutes.

Iran's MRBMs lack sufficient accuracy for that even if we ignore Israeli's ABM systems

meaning to achieve those direct hits we need to launch a very large number of missiles (likely 1000+)

and to launch that number leaves a very big footprint for satellites to detect, meaning the warning time is hours-days not minutes

 

[Persian Gulf]

We are ready for a nuclear first strike by US (because of the lesson from Lebanon)
Zero trust

Let alone a quadcopter show

always good to be prepared but not good to have hubris, better to be more critical of ourselves

 

[Shadihassan28]

for a big number of launches we need to move the missiles into launch areas outside of the underground missile areas, and it takes time, they will be detected by the USA for sure. last time they detected them at least 3-4 hours in advance of launch

I remember the magazine launching device they had in those underground cities and those containers that are hidden under the sand. honestly don’t think the Iranians are going to be telegraphing their attack this time around whatever they may decide to do last two times they were giving advance warning I don’t think it’s going to be an attempt at better show it’s going to need to cause massive destruction ie military facilities that produce weapons and hit airbases hard really hard set their military production back awhile and no more night attacks day time attacks.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I remember the magazine launching device they had in those underground cities and those containers that are hidden under the sand. honestly don’t think the Iranians are going to be telegraphing their attack this time around whatever they may decide to do last two times they were giving advance warning I don’t think it’s going to be an attempt at better show it’s going to need to cause massive destruction ie military facilities that produce weapons and hit airbases hard really hard set their military production back awhile and no more night attacks day time attacks.

the magazines can launch 5 missiles at a time (rather, 5 per 5-10 minutes because it launches one, moves along, launches the second, etc)

so that's not a perfect solution unless there are 20+ of those magazine systems across Iran (not likely)

 

[Shawnee]

not correct

they had 4+ hours to pre-empt it, they chose not to

how else can Iran fire 200+ missiles at once? they must take the launchers outside and prepare them to be fired, this takes time and is very visible to US satellites watching Iran's missile bases 24/7

Missile magazines under mountains brother, we don’t know how many we have

Mobile launchers also
Faux fueling exercise everyday to fool


What was your account then?

 

[LongLiveIran]

Iran's MRBMs lack sufficient accuracy for that even if we ignore Israeli's ABM systems

meaning to achieve those direct hits we need to launch a very large number of missiles (likely 1000+)

and to launch that number leaves a very big footprint for satellites to detect, meaning the warning time is hours-days not minutes

Yes, but what if we use cluster warheads?

 

[Persian Gulf]

we were expecting this attack from Israel for a very long time

we had a long time to prepare our response

we should have response ready to fire by now, but as usual we do not

one faction wants to go through UNSC procedures and diplomatic groundwork to justify the strike, which delays us further

 

[Persian Gulf]

Missile magazines under mountains brother, we don’t know how many we have

Mobile launchers also
Faux fueling exercise everyday to fool


What was your account then?

the magazines seem to be somewhat new and can only launch 5 per 5-10 minutes, we need 20+ of those to be meaningful. great if we have those numbers but I doubt it, in last two strikes we fired from 5-10 bases in total not 20+

concealed trucks that were used in TP 2 are useful if they can be fuelled and then dispersed to live as civilian trucks until the strike

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yes, but what if we use cluster warheads?

seems we tried to use submunitions in TP 1 but the warheads broke up in the atmosphere

leaked US report from a few years ago revealed an attempt to fire cluster munitions from a Zolfaqar missile, they said only 2/7 of the warheads were successful

don't think we mastered the technology yet, and cluster warheads are small and won't penetrate hardened F-35 shelters

we even had a direct impact on a F-35 shelter in TP 2 but the damage (hole) was tiny, very strange

 

[Shawnee]

the magazines seem to be somewhat new and can only launch 5 per 5-10 minutes, we need 20+ of those to be meaningful. great if we have those numbers but I doubt it, in last two strikes we fired from 5-10 bases in total not 20+

concealed trucks that were used in TP 2 are useful if they can be fuelled and then dispersed to live as civilian trucks until the strike

If you do faux fueling everyday, you can trick with nothing really.

As a moderator, it would be nice to know your prior username

 

[SolarWarden]

How easy will it be for US satellites to track missile launches from underground silos or missile farms? (Before it happens) Can they do it before we launch them?

US SBIRS has been able to detect missile launches since 80's. Soviets/Russia has/had that capability too but don't know current status of their SAT constellation.

US knew couple hours before that Iran was going to launch Promise II because of their ELINT/ISR/SIGINT capability. They detected Iran deploying their launchers.

 

[Persian Gulf]

If you do faux fueling everyday, you can trick with nothing really.

As a moderator, it would be nice to know your prior username

you can faux fuel but unless you also take 200 TELs outside then bring them back in every day it doesn't mean anything

you don't need to know my prior username, and honestly I don't even remember it but if someone else does I am happy for them to tell you