Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SteppeWolff]

thats why all the Center to Right figures in Israel call it a defeat for israel ? LoL

i only see some refugees on this board calling it a "defeat for hezbollah".

while people are near rebellion in north of Israel because they claim its an "Humiliating defeat for the IDF".

Israels only success in this was the killing of Nasrallah but they paid a high price lo l.

their goal of "destroying hezbollah" ended in abig failure.

= Hezbollah victory.

if they claimed their goal was to "harm hezbollah" then yea, but they had a big mouth, now have to live with the consequences.

Yeah Northern border of Israel going cold and settlers coming back is definitely an Israeli defeat

 

[lightning f57]

Tonight then is best time to hit them.

 

[tsunset]

Nothing should ever be signed with Israel unless it is a document of complete surrender + regime change in favor of a muslim Palestinian one and exodus of all Israelis to Poland, US and Germany and all Israeli funds given to successor government including 100% of the personal money of every single Israelis

And an agreement that Poland, Germany and the US give a part of its land to Israelis to store them in refuge like American Indians

 

[vmro]

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They are not very smart, few destroyed Christian churches last period from idf, without any point, except hate from France and Europe for Izrael and increased support for Hezbollah...

 

[vmro]

Nothing should ever be signed with Israel unless it is a document of complete surrender + regime change in favor of a muslim Palestinian one and exodus of all Israelis to Poland, US and Germany and all Israeli funds given to successor government including 100% of the personal money of every single Israelis

And an agreement that Poland, Germany and the US give a part of its land to Israelis to store them in refuge like American Indians

But Qatar and Turkey can negotiate for Hamas, and it's very hard to avoid their political manipulations...

 

[vmro]

Yeah Northern border of Israel going cold and settlers coming back is definitely an Israeli defeat

But Bibi said that this document is not about northern settlers, and they are most disappointed...for settlers will do something after 60 days, but this deal will not be effective after 2 months...

 

[jauk]

Yeah Northern border of Israel going cold and settlers coming back is definitely an Israeli defeat

Zionia was strategically defeated Oct 7. History anyone….?

 

[vmro]

Tp3 :
Iranian sources are talking about firing 1000 missiles

If Hezbollah as main deputy is able to fire 300-400, for Iran as leader this is logical number...

We should preferably do it before getting close to the new year. A lot of Western tourists are in Israel for the new year and it won't send a good signal to attack Israel at that time.

When is Jewish New Year??? As far as I know, they already celebrated on 2th or 4th of October ....

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[That_Guy]

Yeah Northern border of Israel going cold and settlers coming back is definitely an Israeli defeat

This is the wrong way to look at it.

A return of those settlers was eventually going to happen regardless. What Israel got other than that is absolutely nothing else.

Another round of conflict (which is inevitable considering how belligerent Israel is) will result in those settlers leaving again.

What did Israel gain?

 

[BigMela2onin]

What did Israel gain?

It's better to ask, what did Lebanon lose? Killing of Arabs is a goal within itself for "Israel."

 

[Lulldapull]

Iran needs to act decisively ASAP and prevent any western semblance of even a stalemate here.

Ahmaq musalmaan struggling to take a stand.

Any concessions will be disastrous!

 

[That_Guy]

It's better to ask, what did Lebanon lose? Killing of Arabs is a goal within itself for "Israel."

Removing emotions, and making a strictly neutral assessment that removes the humanity of the situation: man and material, both of which can be replaced. Lebanon is a growing population, with a birth rate of 2.08% (yr.2022), above replacement rate. End of wars tend to lead to birth rate booms. Infrastructure, and defense systems can be replaced as well, Lebanon did it before, it can do it again. Israel, on the other hand, seems to be suffering from major shortages, and with Gaza still a major conflict point for them, as well as attacks Syria, it's recovery is in question. Israel economy is in tatters, while Lebanon barely had an economy to begin with; Israel's not going to recover economically, while Lebanon has nowhere to go but up.

Morale wise, Lebanon thwarted a major Israeli invasion, one the world expected that Israel would steamroll over Hezbullah and take half of Lebanon. Hezbullah repelled the invasion with only a fraction of its man power, and got the IDF stuck at the border, unable to take and hold even a single village. Israel, on the other hand, is suffering from Morale issues, and this ceasefire isn't gonna solve the problem. 2 million Israelis have fled the country, and a huge chunk are unlikely to come back. IDF soldiers are increasingly refusing to fight. The northern settlers are both anxious and angry at this deal, because they know (and they've said as much) that it's not the end of the conflict and merely a pause; eventually they'll have to flee again.

There's plenty more, but I don't have much time nor the patience currently to write it out.

This was a major blow to Israel, and proved it's nothing more than a paper tiger. It's regional superpower status is completely undeserved.

 

[SolarWarden]

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It's so weird because at first reading this the reaction is to roll your eyes but that only last for a couple seconds when you realize that Iran has backed up their bluster.

I reckon middle of December they'll take action?

 

[Immortals]

Morale wise, Lebanon thwarted a major Israeli invasion, one the world expected that Israel would steamroll over Hezbullah and take half of Lebanon.

No one with any sort of brain thought that Israel was going to take “half of Lebanon” with the force they amassed at the border. Maybe Zionist fanboys, but a rational individual? Not a chance. The force was too small and south Lebanon’s is mountainous region. Just look at the topography, that’s a nightmare for invading force.

It is taught in military academy that the defending force has as much 3:1 or 4:1 advantage on the invading force. This is what Russia disregarded and you see the result in Ukraine: a brutal attrition. Meanwhile when U.S. army tried to take Fallujah they used a 3 to 1 advantage plus air power, because they understood basic military strategy.

So if HZ even used its manpower (~50,000) it would require an Israel expeditionary force of nearly 200K soldiers. Completely unacceptable in this political climate.

Both sides made mistakes and both sides took some blows. But at the end of the day HZ underestimated the deterrence it THOUGHT it had (no senior leadership being targeted especially Nasrallah and no Beruit).

It had 10x the weaponary it had in 2006, but rarely put any of it to use and relied mostly on ATGMs and small drones alongside their usual unguided rocket inventory. Very few BMs or CMs were used. No major AD missiles that contest the skies of Lebanon, but they got a decent amount of Hermes drones which will likely be transferred to Iran for reverse engineering. Although hard to see what value for Iran in this day and age, maybe electronics or engine insights.

The main question is what happens to Gaza now that there is no daily aerial attacks by HZ to put pressure on Israeli leadership. Less incentive for them to comprise or listen to their own population.