Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Blueishere]

How Did Israel Attack Iran with 200 Fighter Jets?

The aerial distance between Israel and Iran’s capital Tehran is at least 1,700 to 1,800 kilometers. For such a long-range mission with a return flight, Israeli aircraft would definitely require aerial refueling, especially when carrying heavy bombs.

Israel possesses only 7 to 8 KC‑707 “Re’em” Boeing refueling aircraft, which can provide fuel to a limited number of fighter jets. For a fleet of nearly 100 aircraft, this capability is clearly insufficient, indicating that Israel must have received external assistance for this operation.

The United States has explicitly stated that it did not provide any logistical or refueling support for this attack. This leaves only one possibility: Israeli aircraft likely made temporary landings at an airbase in a nearby country to refuel before returning. The question remains — which country between Iran and Israel facilitated this attack? In today’s era of satellite surveillance, such matters cannot remain hidden.

Another crucial point is that Israeli aircraft would have had to pass through the airspace of Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or Gulf states to attack Iran. The movement of such a large, heavily armed aerial fleet cannot be ignored by radar systems. Yet, surprisingly:

No country issued an air defense alert
No country protested the Israeli airspace violation
No aircraft were scrambled to intercept the Israeli jets

This silence is not accidental but indicates a “pre-arranged consent.” It proves that several Middle Eastern rulers were aware of and quietly complicit in the Israeli attack.

On the surface, this attack appears to showcase Israeli military prowess, but in reality, it also serves as a warning to those countries that are silently aligning with Israeli objectives today.


So Muslims betrayed Muslims

Muslims betraying Muslims... a story that never gets old.

 

[Watandar]

We see Israeli soldiers doing R&R in the UAE. They could have been staged there and smuggled in via American submarines to Iranian coast.

 

[PakAl]

Not a fan of ''i told you so'' but werent you trolling others who rightfully questioned IR's propaganda in the past years?

People claimed Hizbollah will alone harm Israel, Syria has Iranian military advisors, Iran has 100s of underground missile cities with 100,000 missiles, Iran doesn't need airforce and SAMs and BMs are enough to safeguard Iran. Everything has collapsed.

 

[RescueRanger]

Yes we were discussing this earlier. Iranian regime has been compromised from within over the years, it is evident. Clearly they had collaborators - remember France in WWII?

 

[OldTwilight]

SL should publicly appolgize for his un-islamic , anti iran fatwa and order total war .

 

[muz]

Brah Vivid is an Indian masquerading as an Israeli

 

[Aziqbal]

Where the feck are Iran’s radars ? Are they blind ?

 

[Path-Finder]

So sad, I hope the retaliation comes.


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[muz]

 

[Gripen9]

 

[maxpane]

iran where iare iranian forces??? arent they in million ? wy not a single bullet is fired. still no resistence?????

 

[clutch]

Well 600 pages in this thread which tells me a lot of emotions. Havent bothered to read the thread, because it would be exhausting to scroll through emotional posts and most probably posts containing disinformation.

Im going to give my two cents, with the risk of this already having been said by a lot of people.
On the surface Irans air defence capabilites seem totally paralyzed. The damage to nuclear industry seem extensive, although we have to wait and see to get a true glimps of the extent of the damage and whether or not the critical infrastructure buried underground has survived.

But the material losses are secondary (even though painful to watch). What really has been the major disaster are the series of decisions and inaction by the political and military leadership in the last 20 months which has led up to this point.
Its not one mistake. Its not two. Not three. Its a series of REPEATED mistakes. Its a systematic failure and breakdown on multiple levels and crucial occassions. To mention a few would Irans ineffective response to restore deterrence after the bombing of the embassy in Syria, the bombing of Haniyeh in Tehran, the murder/decapitation of Hezbollahs entire military and political leadership, the ceasefire between Lebanon-Israel, only for Syria to get overrun the next day. There is something to be said about "use it or lose it".
Hezbollah restrained themselves in their northern front, and see where that got them. And Iran was restrained in its direct support and action.

The damage that could have been inflicted had they operated under a different strategic doctrine, would have meant a different power dynamic and deterrence equation. Yes they would have been weakened, but so would have the Israelis.
In war everyone is weakened but the side that gets relatively more weakened ends up loosing. Iran has been fighting this war like a someone giving light jabs in a boxing match, while the other dude uses iron gloves and punches as his life depends on it.

Its too late in the game for Iran to do anything meaningful. Its position has been battered regionally, with its allies severely weakened which limits their capability (and will) to help Iran, seeing as how Iran did not help them even if they were given the causus belli many times over by Israeli actions.

I dont see a way out of this. As I see it, there are just a few options. A total surrender, meaning conceding to every US demand (remember, Iran is an even weaker position now than they were yesterday, so additional demands may follow). Many probably view this as an impossibility, but let us remember that Khomeini "swallowed the poison pill" when he agreed to end the Iraq war. If regime survival is at stake, this is certainly plausible. The mullahs are incompetent but they are not irrational.
Another option would be to absorb these strikes. I dont see an effective Iranian response forthcoming in the near future, (Israel/USA has total escalation dominance). Then opt to leave the NPT and develop nukes.

Another option would be to stay on the current catastrophic path. Meaning to give the semblance of a punitive strike but for all purposes would be symbolic (like in TP1 and TP2), which would lead to the utter collapse of whatever little deterrence is left which would invite more Israeli freedom of action and savagery.

Those are the options as I see it realistically, if anyone has other option, I would be glad to hear them.
Suggestions of some state selling nukes to Iran (like Pakistan or Russia) I will not take as serious notions/suggestions.

Great comment. One assumption you made which is perhaps not accurate. You assume that Hezbollah Iran or others have the capability to give a major response. Perhaps all these entities were paper tigers to start off with. The light jabs were in fact the best they could muster up. Israel called their bluff and went all in.

 

[Blueishere]

A secular, atheist regime in Iran would be pro west. As much as I despise the mullah regime in Iran they are still better. Also western backed regime in Iran would threaten Gwadar and Karachi ports. For the Indians and the West Iran is a perfect country to get to Central Asia and keep an eye on Pakistan. At least the current regime is in Asian camp which protects Russian and Chinese interests

Prior to this Government, the Shah was also Pro-Israel, but had a very good relationship with Pakistan.

 

[RescueRanger]

Whatever was underground is toast:

Look at the flames coming out of the exit tunnel...

 

[r3alist]

They are similar to Afghanistan in that respects. I think its a cultural issue. They really do stick to their own.

I'm not sure, they have a big faction who are Western looking and for example the Chinese you could say the same, but that does not stop them from firming up their national interest


conducting proxy wars across the middle east seems like a good idea as long as the motherland remains untouched.... But when that day of reckoning comes for direct confrontation, and your proxies have been diminished one by one, and the opposition can come in and leave untouched....

I believe since gaza, the missile strike on Pakistan, which I still don't really understand, might be their most potent attack