Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ghazi52]

 

[F-22Raptor]

New satellite photo of Mehrabad airport

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

He was installed by the Saudis to keep the Egyptian people under control, so yes.

The saudis have some big influence

 

[Mav3rick]

What do you guys think, does Islam allow nuclear weapons?

The spirit of Islam will not allow any weapon which targets indiscrimately. In Islam, on combatants can be targeted; non-combatants, children, elderly, women, those who are sick and those who seek refuge from war cannot be targeted.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Iran will remember the brotherly love and support from Pakistan during this difficult period.

Pakistan zende bad!

This is absolutely nothing. Israel is a common foe of Pakistan and Iran. Pakistan should support Iran with weapons and everything else.

Israel is a country that supports India against Pakistan.

 

[Ali_Baba]

All I know at this point is, even if Iran stops and surrenders, this has been a disaster for Netayanhu.

He failed to fully decapitate Iran's command and control structure, and failed to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities, and has only achieved an extremely limited scope of his objectives.

Meanwhile, he now has to contend with an angry public that he assured would be safe because Iran apparently didn't have the capability of getting through Israel's iron dome (which we all know how that turned out).

I think it's over for Netanyahu. This was a military disaster for both sides, but at least Iran has managed to somewhat recover its reputation.

My conclusions are quite different and a little harsh on Iran i am afraid. The erasure of the command and control structure was always going to be temporary to provide space for the initial opening round, to sow confusion. Israel correctly determined that the command structure is "personality cult driven/led and not institutional with identified chains of command with battlefield replacements built its structure and clear SOPs". That window of opportunity was to hit the targets that they wanted to. They hit all of the overground nuclear sites that they wanted to , and inflicted sufficient damage to slow down Iran's programme for years. They could never knock it out entirely, they knew that. But, with Iran's economic problems, the prospects of having to spend 10's of billions to resurrect that infrastructure to get back to where they were before the attack is going to pose a problem for them, esp if the snapback sanctions are applied, causing more economic pain. Even if Iran conducts a test with a device, they will not be able to generate enough fissile material for a meaningful nuclear capability for many years.

The Israeli public are not much concerned about what they are seeing from Iran, they have withstood longer and more sustained barrages from Lebanon, Palestine forces and it did not negatively affect Netanyahu politically or the people. This is a new normal for them.

Netanyahu may have political issues that may cause the end of his career, but it wont be because he is charged with Genocide/war crimes, the public does not care about that. Or, the result of Iran's attacks, they are geared to withstand that with all the bunkers they have.

I disagree with the notion that Iran has recovered its reputation. They are and will be rightly embarrassed for decades to come that Israel got the jump on them like that. People can see Iran's military is quite ineffective and it cannot impose a cost of any value given the lack of precision in the systems that Iran uses. Once, people used to fear Iran as the big bad wolf you should not go near or touch. Not so much now. Look at how freely the IDF can operate over Iran. Counters like Saudia, UAE can operate at that level of freedom over Iran now, as they have the same level of military hardware. Yes, those countries are closer and maybe affected by other systems, but the fear has been reduced by a few notches with this exchange, not gone up.

Who will take Iran's military that seriously when it can lose its entire senior command staff like that, when it was clear to all that an attack was coming? How ineffective is the chain of command in Iran, than secondary leaders could not automatically take over the operations without having to be "personally appointed for their political considerations ?". Iran's miliary structure, organisation and operational model has not come out well out of this at all. The nature of the government structure in Iran means, it can never be fixed either. A few missiles with poor CEP targeting that are missing their targets cannot change the fundamentals of that Iran lost the opening round and by all measure, it looks like they may not have the will or technical capability, or capacity to conduct a sustained campaign to "stay in the ring with Israel" for very long it seems.

Netanyahu may well fall out one day, but it will be because of low level petty politics in their government.

Don't get me wrong, i would love for Iran to be able to take Israel by the shoulder, bend her over a barrel and give a good account of himself, but i am afraid, what i saw and still see is impotence ...

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The spirit of Islam will not allow any weapon which targets indiscrimately. In Islam, on combatants can be targeted; non-combatants, children, elderly, women, those who are sick and those who seek refuge from war cannot be targeted.

If they kill your elderly, women and children then you kill their elderly, women and children. It's all good.

 

[the saint]

why no more wave from Iran towards Zion?

 

[MirageV3ff]

Does this mean we get F-14s on Pakistani soil?

 

[ghazi52]

 

[MirageV3ff]

why no more wave from Iran towards Zion?

Most likely they're trying to figure out how to best Israeli AD network. Last night's attacks showed Iran didn't really hit anything major in terms of Israeli military assets or nuclear facilities

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

Damn even the INC is calling out israel now

 

[Windjammer]

If this is indeed Tel Aviv then Israel claim of only Three zionist killed is BS.

 

[Developereo]

The saudis have some big influence

They have money.

Also, the democratic government in a big Arab country like Egypt was an existential threat to the GCC dynastic and tyrannical model of government.

Anyway, off topic.

 

[Mav3rick]

we should build nuke , if khamenei oppose it , then he should be force to retirement...

for years we are saying the only way to secure Iran infrastructure is to build nuke , but he refused...

we can't pay for his wrong judgement

If only you had continued with your original plan to build Nuclear Weapons while Pakistan was helping you. With all my sympathies with Iran right now, I still remember how Iran exposed Pakistan's Nuclear assistance to the IAEA disregarding the consuquences Pakistan would have to face for its assistance to the Iran's Nuclear plan.