Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Falcon Junoon]

The hadith you refer to is the war that happens after the black banners defeat Israel and come after the governance of the Mahdi. In the war referred to the hadith a coalition comprising of all Muslim states will fight. And one third will run,one third die and one third will win. So you are not getting the context right.

Are you saying those black banners will come to fight Mahdi A.S?

What I understood from Ahadith is Black Banners will conquer Al-Quds (& will be allies of Mahdi). An army from Syria (Syrian govt will be takfiris / killer of Muslims esp Qureshi Muslims) will go to fight Mahdi A.S. After defeat of Syrian army, Mahdi, on way to Levant, will also defeat a wealthy ME Tribe/Nation (UAE? Qatar? Kuwait?) & will distribute ghanimat/wealth among his people.

 

[Claudius]

@Foinikas

I have limited patience. Stay on topic and stop the fingering or i will remove you from the thread.........

Trolls who bark about imaginary downed F35's should be banned aswell, it lowers the quality of the discussion.

 

[ShapurII]

How is that going to help. Iranian nuclear weapons development has been degraded. It will be years before lran has a bomb

How has it been degraded? And why does it take years?

 

[RescueRanger]

excellent point!

but my contention was not only the loan, it was together with shady investments in UAE!
that will become north of 30$ B...

And, my intention was, only to prove, USA never invested in Pak. then atleast ask others to have our money returned

Can WE not talk about Pakistani internal affiars here please. This is the final notice I am going to give on this, please stick to topic - discuss Pak affairs in Pak threads.

Its actually annoying to come back to the thread and read posts like this.

 

[Ali_Baba]

That’s why Israel is saying their mission will be accomplished in a week or so but I honestly think it will even sooner than that

Israel may want to end it in a week, it will be interesting if Iran will end it then or carry on for a while to establish its own new norm.

 

[tsunset]

I also believe that hezbollah isn’t as degraded as we think. Obviously they have taken huge blows. But they are alive. They will be activated if necessary, not because they want to, but they have to. If Iran falls, they can say goodbye to entire Lebanon, Israel doesn’t even need to invade, they will use jewlani to slaughter all the Shias in Lebanon

It doesn't matter

After the ceasefire is signed and nuclear program halted, cut off all funding to Lebanon, let them fight their own wars, just like they told Iran to f*** o**, this is not our problem, just like they told us days ago. Also use that as leverage in talks with the US to let us rebuild conventionally

Immediately sign deals with Pakistan, the only real ally of Iran since 1948, and purchase fighter jets from China

I only see this as a real plan to come back strong

 

[Meengla]

Yes, but there's notable differences this time:

• In the past it was the US public that strongly supported Israel. This time Trump's MAGA base specifically wants him to not support Israel. That might change things
• US does support Israel, yes, but they are also Fed up of Nethanyahoo as Israeli PM. As much as they wanna support Israel, they also want Nethanyahoo to finally fk-off. As he keeps using US compulsion to help Israel for his personal gains. If he does win, he will never leave.

US could have sent 2 B2 Bombers and finished off all Iranian sites in a single go, nobody would have known what hit them. But they have not done it despite Israel pleading for 6 months.

Nethanyahoo then jumped into the war, in hopes US will have to come help them. He has been desperately pounding Fordow Mountain with zero effect, pleading with the US to help him and since 5 days Trump is not listening to him. All the while Tel-Aviv is getting decimated. That never ever happened before. Now either US will do it. Or Trump might let him fail on purpose. Both possibilities are there this time.

Good Post.
As much as I hate Trump and think he is the biggest supporter of Israel EVER as President, he does have some considerations: A chunk of his MAGA base is not pleased with yet American war for anyone; people like Steve Bannon are hard to ignore, if you follow American policies. I used to hate that guy but got to say he's an old school conservative who is indeed America First unlike almost all the Republicans sitting in the Congress acting as the Yes Men of Trump.
Plus one more reason for not a direct involvement by Americans against Iran may indeed be the fear that it would engulf the Middle East in a larger war, destroying much of the global economy with inevitable backlash against Trump in America. Why do that just for a sicko like Netanyahu?

 

[pashtunkoum]

I also believe that hezbollah isn’t as degraded as we think. Obviously they have taken huge blows. But they are alive. They will be activated if necessary, not because they want to, but they have to. If Iran falls, they can say goodbye to entire Lebanon, Israel doesn’t even need to invade, they will use jewlani to slaughter all the Shias in Lebanon

If necessary? What exactly are they waiting for, US involvement?

Hezbollah is done for. They shouldn’t have invested time in attacking Muslims all across Syria fighting for a ruthless alawite dictator

 

[Areesh]

Is it PAF kind downing or Indian AF kind?

Looks like Indian airforce kind of thing

 

[mangekyo]

Have some faith guys.

And when it is said to them, ‘Believe as the people have believed,’ they say, ‘Shall we believe as the fools have believed?’ Truly, they are the fools, but they do not know.

— Qur’an 2:13

 

[Tamerlane]

Good Post.
As much as I hate Trump and think he is the biggest supporter of Israel EVER as President, he does have some considerations: A chunk of his MAGA base is not pleased with yet American war for anyone; people like Steve Bannon are hard to ignore, if you follow American policies. I used to hate that guy but got to say he's an old school conservative who is indeed America First unlike almost all the Republicans sitting in the Congress acting as the Yes Men of Trump.
Plus one more reason for not a direct involvement by Americans against Iran may indeed be the fear that it would engulf the Middle East in a larger war, destroying much of the global economy with inevitable backlash against Trump in America. Why do that just for a sicko like Netanyahu?

The biggest weak spot for the US and the West is the danger of a financial crash triggered by panic in the markets. The bulk of the wealth of US and Western elites in tied up in stocks. If the markets crash they’re going to lose a major chunk of their net worth.

 

[Cicero]

Went to bed last night with the promise from the IR that something would happen that would be remembered for centuries. What did I miss? Or do we have more proof that Iran's missile capabilities are deteriorating by the day?

 

[Meengla]

Too many people have said the Indian spies role in Iran to ignore it. But I'd be surprised if it was India's official policy to aid Israel in Iran. Makes no sense? The collaboration would be eventually caught and then India would lose a vital leverage against Pakistan. But if India even tolerated such collaboration with Mossad against Iran then it will be a historic blunder.

 

[Xerxes22]

Went to bed last night with the promise from the IR that something would happen that would be remembered for centuries. What did I miss? Or do we have more proof that Iran's missile capabilities are deteriorating by the day?

Overhype from state TV but we did launch a substantial attack which was impressive

 

[Garcia Sea]

A military that once shot down a Global Hawk at an altitude of 16,000 meters in the Persian Gulf has now allowed a toy like drone, the Hermes 900, to penetrate deep into its territory. All of this happened in just a matter of days.
There is no precedent for such a rapid collapse of an air defense network.
The incompetence of the IRGC is inexcusable.