Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Agreed


It's not just it being not as accurate as we expect.

The whole place seems designed to handle the blast even if the missiles are accurate. This is what I found on chatGPT.

Based on publicly available information and technical assessments, it is highly unlikely that the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP) has been fully destroyed by an airstrike using conventional weapons. Fordow is one of the most fortified nuclear facilities in the world. It is located near the city of Qom, Iran, and buried beneath approximately 80 to 100 meters of solid rock. The geological makeup of the mountain is believed to consist of granite and limestone, both of which provide substantial protection. Granite, in particular, is a dense and hard igneous rock that not only resists penetration but also absorbs the shock from explosions, making successive strikes less effective.

The United States' most powerful non-nuclear bunker-busting weapon, the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), is designed specifically to penetrate deep underground targets. While it is capable of penetrating up to 60 meters of reinforced concrete or over 100 meters of soil, its estimated penetration depth into granite is considerably less — likely in the range of 20 to 40 meters. Even with a series of perfectly targeted MOPs — for example, 12 in a sequence — the physics of shock absorption, crater refilling, and structural reinforcement within the mountain would make it extraordinarily difficult to reach and destroy the core enrichment chambers of Fordow.

There is also no credible evidence — such as satellite imagery, seismic readings, or reliable intelligence — to confirm that Fordow has been cratered, collapsed, or permanently rendered inoperable. In past incidents involving damage or sabotage to Iran’s nuclear sites (such as at Natanz), Iran has either publicly acknowledged the attacks or reacted with retaliatory rhetoric and escalatory military posturing. No such response has occurred in relation to Fordow, further casting doubt on any claims of its destruction.

While it remains possible that specific surface structures — such as access tunnels, ventilation systems, or power infrastructure — may have been targeted or damaged, the likelihood of the entire underground facility being destroyed by conventional airstrikes is extremely low. The only plausible methods for such a complete elimination would involve either the use of a nuclear earth-penetrator (which would be a major and highly escalatory act) or significant internal sabotage — neither of which has been confirmed.

In conclusion, the destruction of Fordow by conventional means, even with multiple MOPs, is considered technically improbable. Claims suggesting otherwise should be approached with skepticism unless backed by solid, independent verification such as satellite data or seismic analysis.


 
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Gen Caines initial battle damage assessment: “All 3 sites sustained extremely severe damage and destruction”
 
China is busy in South China Sea and co-ordinating with Pakistan against India.

Russia is bogged down in Ukraine against Europe.

That's gives Zion free hand in Western Asia.

Look, if Saudi Arabia and Egypt that are two of the largest of the 22 Arab countries are not against anything that Zion is doing, then anyone outside the region has very limited options, other than to either protest or side with Zion. It's that simple.

Iran can fire ballistic missiles at Zion and rightly so because Zion has attacked them, but that's about it until Iran runs out of ballistic missiles.

I feel like there needs to be a massive shift in Iran's thinking and it needs to be a massive shift. And, this shift needs to be with Iran's approach and not anybody else in the region because it just doesn't align with reality or to 21st century.
The position of the Arab countries, or most of the countries in the world, should be against the invasion of Iran by the U.S. and Israel, but also against the further proliferation of nuclear weapons.
 
I expected to wakeup to good news of massive tit-for-tat attack on Israel's stratigic trargets :(
 
If that were the case why were the Israelis preparing for an attack on Pak nuke facilities. Israel will go after all Muslim States that can threaten its survival.
Israel took direct military against Iran’s nuclear program now after getting threatened by it for decades. They have earlier attacked and destroyed nuclear reactor in Iraq because Saddam similarly threatened Israel and actually launched scud missiles at it during the Gulf War:
Operation Opera also known as Operation Babylon, was a surprise airstrike conducted by the Israeli Air Force on 7 June 1981, which destroyed an unfinished Iraqi nuclear reactorlocated 17 kilometres (11 miles) southeast of Baghdad, Iraq.

Pakistan has no similar animosity with Israel beyond political non-recognition.
 
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Iran’s biggest folly is not investing in a strong and modern airforce. Israel and USA have clear air superiority over Iran’s airspace. They can do anything they want and have delivered a devastating blow to whatever nuclear assets lran had.
As far as USA is concerned "Mission Accomplished ".

A big lesson for Pakistan to learn from. The airforce must be increased relative to the Army going forward.
 
Israel took direct military against Iran’s nuclear program now after getting threatened by it for decades. They have earlier attacked and destroyed nuclear reactor in Iraq because Saddam similarly threatened Israel and actually launched scud missiles at it during the Gulf War:


Pakistan has no similar animosity with Israel beyond political non-recognition.
Iran never threatened Israel with nukes, its more having nukes to protect themselves and have cover for resistance movements they were supporting against Israel. For this reason and to stop a cascading effect where the Saudis, Turks also pursue nukes they want end of Irans nuclear program.

Be under no illusion they were after Pakistans program in the 80s, if ever political geostrategic circumstances change Pak will be in the crosshairs again.
 
Refullers for the bombers and their escorts
Additional aircraft + refullers
ISR aircraft

It all adds up.
Even then thats still way over inflated. Refuelers would be outside of Iranian space and likely need minimal escorts, even if it was 8 refueler planes and 20 additional jets to protect them, its still not even half of the claimed amount. Add in some EW/ISR and awacs craft and its not still not even close. They're either seriously over inflating the scope of the mission or the US military is the most inefficient force in history.
 

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