Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Jango007]

Is this possible? Americans claimed use of 12 bunker busters...Onle six craters are visible. and now this:
52 min ago

Some Iranians living near key nuclear sites say they slept through US strikes​

From CNN’s Ivana Kottasová
Iranians had faced the possibility of US intervention ever since Israel launched its strikes on nuclear and military targets — yet when it came, some said they slept through the strikes.

Qom residents woke to the sounds of emergency vehicles’ sirens blaring and an increased presence on the streets of the Basij militia, a volunteer force made of fighters loyal to Iran’s religious leaders.

But five people living in Qom, a city that lies some 30 kilometers (or about 18 miles) from the Fordow nuclear site that was struck by the US early on Sunday morning, said they were surprised to find out about what happened when they got up in the morning, having heard nothing overnight.

The US bombed the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant just after 2 a.m. local time Sunday. Qom, like other Iranian cities, does not have an aerial attack warning system, so residents would have had no warning before the strikes.

Qom is considered a holy city, home to Iran’s largest and most famous Shia seminary. Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei studied at the Qom Seminary, as did several of Iran’s former presidents.

Similarly, people living in a village some 35 kilometers from the Natanz facility, which was also bombed overnight, also said they didn’t hear anything last night.

 

[PakFactor]

Now now, don't be so hard on the poor guy. He's just lifting you know.

He knows what he's saying and doing; this is talk to say they are ready to form a coalition if necessary, on a pretext.

 

[Kyussis]

See what perfil official of Iranian army posted :

There are no official Iranain X acounts. They are all "fan" accounts or Psyops!

 

[Arash]

Conflict among Iranians in Berlin. Iranian monarchists are attacking Iranians who defend their country against Zionists. Which side are the Iranians taking here in the forum?

There are few Iranians in Europe in favor of Israel or the u.s., most are secular nationalists. Royalists, M.E.K, and other group have few audience, they even bring up Afghans in their Congress !

 

[darkcloud]

So nominating trump for peace Prize was a bluff after all to buy some time for quick evacuation. Again this needs confirmation.

Its already confirmed they moved enriched uranium plus important things like centrifuges atleast 24h before the attack by usa

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

They crossed in from Airspace that has no air defense, in Iraq and Syria. I do wonder if the Russians detected them over Syria though, they have S-400s there allegedly.

Syria is under new management. Doubtful any S-400s there.

 

[Be dazzled]

@RescueRanger
You were spot on with this.

 

[RescueRanger]

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Btw based on coordinates that most of these claims are suggesting, this is apparently the path that B2s took. this would not even make any sense unless the B2 pilots were drunk or maybe the wanted to see the deserts of Rajasthan on the way. you can see they are just forcing the path into India, on the way to Iran. Maybe they did pass through outer airspace of India, but this one makes no sense.

Official US post-op briefing slide for press.

 

[Meengla]

No condemnation? No mention of Israel or US? Not even an offer of diplomatic support?

Iran should never have trusted India.

Right!!!! No compare that with yesterday's Iranian UN envoy again thanking Pakistan for the support after the Pakistani UNSC envoy again forcefully backed Iran.
Incredibly so many Iranians members on PDF had fallen for the Indian 'support' and 'ties' with Iran. Incredible. But then, if you look at the Iranian foreign policy, you'd understand Iranian naivete. Hopefully, things have changed now.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

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Its all total BS .. based on coordinates that most of these claims are suggesting, this is apparently the path that B2s took. A hell of a detour just to involve India into it.

This would not even make any sense unless the B2 pilots were drunk or maybe the wanted to see the deserts of Rajasthan on the way. you can see they are just forcing the path into India, on the way to Iran. Maybe they did pass through outer airspace of India, but this one makes no sense.

That path never happened. The whole west-bound flight was a distraction.

 

[samejjangir]

We don't care if they thank to China or not.

At least China's strategic pivot needs to be maintained.

And thanks to Israel, now these mullahs will soon understand that keep relying on those pro-west reformists can only drag them further down into abyss.

Before, they have never faced the existential threat like that, they would not buy it.

But for now, China has blown away India's rising opportunity via Pakistan, and Iran might still fear the US, but after it has managed to survive, it won't become India's buddy anymore.

It will be a huge setback for the US pivot to contain China in the ME and South Asia link.

What is this India rant? Iran was never a friend of India. When India-Pakistan were clashing, Iran said that both are its friends. Iran doesn't give any concession to India and tries to force its influence into India by needling it on Islamic issues.

This is a wake up call for Iran to be more sensible and accept the reality by being humble while dealing with other countries.

 

[Cicero]

 

[gambit]

United States is an Empire that wants to rule the world.

American Empire is vast and has a sphere of influence that includes such client states like UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Ukraine, South Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia.

America wants to be the only Great Power of the planet.

Countries that challenge American desire for global hegemony are China, Russia and Iran. These countries are about to form an anti-American Continental coalition that will oppose US and its global Empire. So US wants to knock out these countries before they grow into a serious challenge.

And they start with the weakest of the three - Iran. If Iran gets nuclear weapons and ICBMs it will be a boost to China and a challenge to American hegemony, so US wants to demilitarize Iran leaving it without the ability to produce nuclear weapons, ICBMs, long range ballistic missiles and strip Iran of its regional sphere of influence.

After Iran is demilitarized, US will try to finish off the second weakest of the three - Russia. US will do it by arming Ukraine and Poland and trying to destabilize Russia internally.

US has 10 years to neutralize Iran and Russia before China reaches military parity with US and becomes a serious challenge.

After Iran and Russia are finished off, US will encircle, isolate and contain China.

It is a battle between the American Empire and the Continental Coalition and China must prevent fall of Iran and Russia, because if this happens China will be encircled, isolated and easily contained by the US.

Once an event occurred, any argument containing the words 'if' and 'had' quite become academic. Neither Russia nor China nor the rest of BRIC will do anything to help Iran, to the consternation of many, inside and out of the US, who predicted that. Why did that assistance not happened? That was a rhetorical question, anyway.

BRIC is not NATO, not even in the same principled level that created NATO, in other words, BRIC was weak to start. Not 'weakened' but simply weak. NATO was a response to a threat, the Warsaw Pact. BRIC was created as a threat like how the Warsaw Pact was created. Unfortunately, at least the Warsaw Pact had at least a perceived threat, the West, whereas BRIC had nothing and China was a weak leader of BRIC.

The most important lesson here is that if you* want to challenge an alliance, whether that alliance is formal like NATO or notional like 'The West', you* and your* alliance had better have similar ideological, economics, and military powers to whoever is your target. BRIC never had it. There is no one in BRIC that can match the US, the leader of the notional 'West'. China is not a similar leader in BRIC and will stand back and watch Iran fall.

*Note: the 'you' generic and not personal.

 

[Meengla]

I think China doesn’t view the world like that. They just want to be left alone and think about business. They have no interest in geopolitics.

Hah?!
Wealth of a nation is like honey! Flies would always come to get that honey. There is no way to avoid 'geopolitics' if a nation has to protect its interests. It doesn't have be an overtly aggressive empire like of the America-led West but enough carrot and sticks have to be on the table.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Mrs. AZ just turned on one the Sunday morning talking head shows.

"The sky is falling".

Updated. Just long enough to grab her tea and tune into some pickleball tournament.

My mind has been spared.