Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

j_hungary said:
First of all, huh? There were tons of BDA image and video of the US base in Iraq after the Iranian strike

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They weren't released by the US military because they literally invited the press on a base tour after this, and the above image was taken by the New York Time after the strike and was posted in this article 3 weeks after the strike.


They also did that with Bagram after it was attacked in 2019

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Taliban claim suicide car bombing at Bagram military base, killing 2 and wounding over 70

A Taliban suicide car bomber hit a medical facility at Bagram military base in Afghanistan, killing one and wounding 65. Security operations are still ongoing.
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Probably the only time they didn't do that I can think of is when we evacuated Kabul after the attack, well, we can't show them when it wasn't ours anymore.

US did this all the time, as much as they did with releasing BDA, that's fairly normal if we are talking about how to fight a war now. I don't understand why you mention how American was being brainwashed, but anywho, wasn't this even make more sense if they are being brainwashed and they saw the stuff that this administration do did nothing to Iran?

Remember this, US didn't leave Vietnam because we are getting slaughtered by the Vietcong or NVA, we left Vietnam because Walter Cronkite show what the Vietnamese was still capable of doing even after 5 years of war that "we were supposed to be winning" That's how we lost interest in Vietnam and withdraw, the same applies to Iran here. If you know what I meant.
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Strike aftermath covered by US own media ? which could very well be edited ? but you see the impacts but true assessment of Damage never see the light of the day, if you think that Govt release information is what actual Truth then my condolences for you.

Second point, Iranian govt is under no obligation to prove the Fordo site is gone, now from like I said Western Propaganda which often echo Israeli talking points yes everything is kosher and all sites are gone, Iran claims otherwise but that doesn't mean Iran have to show a video to prove that site is still functioning, one other way is that if they show the site is intact US can do another run of bombing which will then may penetrate and destroy it so why risk it? let the enemy be happy if they achieve their objective, and like I said If Iranian uranium is still there and site is still functioning, Iran will not do the unconditional surrender which the America wants them too.

I didn't mentioned Brainwashed, I said they lose ability to critically analyze the evidence when the claim is made by west, but they need all the evidence when the claim is made by other side, I want pics, videos, receipts , satellite images, text conversations, letters etc... which reflect the innate bias Americans hold, they believe their side without much issue but other side has to bring evidence from God himself for whatever reason lol and then its cute how people try to play the "I am neutral" card.

The Vietnam story has no relevance here.
 
Developereo said:
If US bombs Fodrow again, then it admits the first attack failed and did not 'obliterate' as Trump boasted.

Make everybody wonder if Trump is a fool, did the US military exaggerate to him, or is Fodrow really destroyed...
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I don't understand how you can see this but not my point.

That's EXACTLY my point, you force the American to react if you show them they did nothing, again, they won't just stop bombing you if the facilities was not destroyed, again, they already did that once, they will do it again and again, and again, and again, if they know or think the facilities was not destroyed, showing them they did nothing eat into the creditability of the administration, and the effectiveness of this war.............
 
j_hungary said:
I don't understand how you can see this but not my point.

That's EXACTLY my point, you force the American to react if you show them they did nothing, again, they won't just stop bombing you if the facilities was not destroyed, again, they already did that once, they will do it again and again, and again, and again, if they know or think the facilities was not destroyed, showing them they did nothing eat into the creditability of the administration, and the effectiveness of this war.............
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The Iranian government has to balance domestic pride with what the Americans will do. If the US will keep bombing anyway, the Iranians might as well keep up domestic morale and tell the world the US has failed its goal -- either by chasing ghosts or the bombs are ineffective.

Either way, every bombing run makes Trump look more and more impotent. How many times will he keep tweeting that the sites were 'obliterated'?

'OK, really obliterated this time'.
'OK OK OK, this time we are sure'.
'OK one more time'.
 
Starlord said:
Strike aftermath covered by US own media ? which could very well be edited ? but you see the impacts but true assessment of Damage never see the light of the day, if you think that Govt release information is what actual Truth then my condolences for you.

Second point, Iranian govt is under no obligation to prove the Fordo site is gone, now from like I said Western Propaganda which often echo Israeli talking points yes everything is kosher and all sites are gone, Iran claims otherwise but that doesn't mean Iran have to show a video to prove that site is still functioning, one other way is that if they show the site is intact US can do another run of bombing which will then may penetrate and destroy it so why risk it? let the enemy be happy if they achieve their objective, and like I said If Iranian uranium is still there and site is still functioning, Iran will not do the unconditional surrender which the America wants them too.

I didn't mentioned Brainwashed, I said they lose ability to critically analyze the evidence when the claim is made by west, but they need all the evidence when the claim is made by other side, I want pics, videos, receipts , satellite images, text conversations, letters etc... which reflect the innate bias Americans hold, they believe their side without much issue but other side has to bring evidence from God himself for whatever reason lol and then its cute how people try to play the "I am neutral" card.

The Vietnam story has no relevance here.
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I didn't say any government needs to release the "truth" I said you need to show the other people you are working, and functioning, that's how it eat into the enemy psychology. I didn't say the US release the "Truth" I said they need to show that they are showing the damage, so people will know what's going on, even if that was not the case.

On the other hand, of course Iran can do what they wanted, as I said, we don't fight war in a 2 dimension era anymore. This have to be an optical affair, we are fighting a war in the age of technology, that's what the Vietnam example brings, or the war in Afghanistan brings, we didn't lose both war because of our arse being kicked by Vietcong or Taliban, we lost because the image coming into our TV are exactly align with what the government told us, that's how optics works.

As for Fordo, do you really think the US know nothing about the effectiveness of the strike? They wouldn't tell you because they wouldn't, not because they didn't know, in this day and age, we are no longer require to have boots on the ground to do BDA, drones and sensor or even satellite can do the job for us, if Fordo weren't destroy, they will go at it again, whether or not Iran show them, the only different is, if Iran show them the strike did nothing, it humiliate the American and the Israeli.
 
Developereo said:
The Iranian government has to balance domestic pride with what the Americans will do. If the US will keep bombing anyway, the Iranians might as well keep up domestic morale and tell the world the US has failed its goal -- either by chasing ghosts or the bombs are ineffective.

Either way, every bombing run makes Trump look more and more impotent. How many times will he keep tweeting that the sites were 'obliterated'?

'OK, really obliterated this time'.
'OK OK OK, this time we are sure'.
'OK one more time'.
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Again, that's my whole point, why make Trump comfortable on this war?

Either you believe that would be the end of it after they bomb fordo and 2 other sites, whether or not the site was destroy, then yes, Iran should stay silent and not further antagonize Trump. But I don't think this is going to be a case here. Trump forego literally all diplomatic effort to have this strike, he didn't wait for 2 weeks he waited for less than 2 days (40 or so hours) from going on TV to ordering the strike, if he go back to diplomatic route, he is going to lose face because that's a step down for him.

Why let him make all the decision, warfare 101, always have your enemy fight the war you want them to fight, rather than you follow their lead.. I don't know if this was coming from my OCS or Sun Sze
 
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