Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Pakistani Dragon]

And who is offering that off ramp?
Unconditional surrender is what orange demands. Besides with the track record there is no way that it would not be broken by zion or the US. There are multiple examples of just that in the region and you want capitulation?
Fact is a prolonged war will wreck zion... slowly resembling Gaza ...
They have Intel, Microsoft and data centers that are high value targets. The loss of fab alone will take away a great chunk of high paying jobs nevr to return. In return zion has literally no equivalent target in Iran. So guess who should sue for peace? They should have thought about this imbalance in cost dynamic before launching this war of aggression. Every single thing that Iran loses can be built in house bigger and better than before but tell that to US based silicon valley and reinvest billions knowing their safety cannot be guaranteed means they're not coming back.

The United States bombed Iran in the late 1980s and occupied some of its offshore refineries. Iran quickly ended it's war with Iraq back then.

A similar American Operation Praying Mantis does not need to be repeated once for the Iranian leadership to see sense.

Iran needs to cut it's losses because they're adding up rather than go for do or die glory.

 

[Aad80]

Iran doesn't seem to understand escalation. Why not launch 100 missiles at Tel Aviv? Have you seen Teheran?

 

[Qaraca]

Did Israel agree to a ceasefire during the period when it was in a state of panic after being attacked deep into its occupied territories on 10/07?
If they had done such a thing, anyone could understand that it would have been an unimaginable failure.
Let me repeat: the first few months after the outbreak of war are a devilish timeframe, a period when the defending side must absolutely not engage in ceasefire negotiations.
In the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War, Azerbaijan concluded ceasefire agreements three times during the conflict to prevent Armenia from launching counterattacks.
While doing so, Azerbaijan itself received supplies from Turkey, reorganized its forces, and launched surprise attacks again—repeating this process three times until Armenia finally surrendered during the fourth ceasefire agreement.
Israel’s goal is precisely to replicate this strategy.
Remember, just a few days ago, Iran was deceived by false peace negotiations and bombed by the U.S. military.

Those “ceasefires” didn’t even last a second. You just made up stuff.

Armenian army conducted a large, main counter-attack on 7 October, in which they were completely obliterated. From that moment on, being already at a disadvantage in terms of forces, equipment etc from the start, Armenia had no chance of mounting any real counter-attack. They tried smaller ones of course, with same result.

There is actually a statement of Pashinyan from 7 October, in which he boasts about the counter attack, claiming that it will turn the tide. Do you want me to dig it up?

Azerbaijan MOD video from 8 October. Azerbaijani forces captured dozens of tanks during that counter-attack, on top of dozens destroyed.

(All the tanks in the video are captured Armenian tanks)

 

[Viet]

Russia is the biggest winner after US air strike.
except cheap talk Putin will offer nothing to visiting Iran envoy.

 

[NA71]

Heaviest bombing by IAF this afternoon. ....ranging from University in Tehran as well as Fordow site ....

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The United States bombed Iran in the late 1980s and occupied some of its offshore refineries. Iran quickly ended it's war with Iraq back then.

A similar American Operation Praying Mantis does not need to be repeated once for the Iranian leadership to see sense.

Iran needs to cut it's losses because they're adding up rather than go for do or die glory.

And here is the problem... Iran has its coast replete just for this scenario. There is a reason why they can effectively shutdown the straights. Besides that fuel is no longer headed west... it goes to China. Another way to get China involved for its energy security.

 

[Master Chief]

Blunder. Sad part is Iran may not still realize they need a freakin Air Force

The thing is, my fellow UNSC Spartan, many commentators have said this in this very thread.

I am getting less convinced.

For example, gad Iran opted for a strong AF and neglected their missile force, they would have lost this war already.

Now if we are being specific and referring to unmanned aerial combat vehicles, fair enough - that is a way forwards but the tech isn't perfected yet anywhere ("loyal wingman" etc).

I personally think Iran made a good call based on limited resources, heavy tech sanctions, and difficult positioning by way of their national ideology (i.e. a constant state of confrontation - righteous as it may be - with a technologically far superior enemy).

We are making a mistake of applying Indo-Pak narratives to the Iran-Israel war. Pakistan easily matches and actually exceeds India's air force in technological prowess and systems integration. Iran could never match Israeli air combat ability, even with full local investment, and they would still be dependent on foreign components and aircraft. If they took to the skies to fight Israeli jets, they would lose lots of pilots and expensive imported aircraft because Israel has cutting edge tech in the skies, well beyond the Indian capabilities that PAF has firmly dealt with recently.

Iran made a good call and has a mostly indigenous missile capability that much of the world is likely quite envious of. This is the only reason they are actually in this fight still.

I would agree that surface to air defence is definitely a priority though.

 

[Master Chief]

Maths may be working in Iran's favour here. Iran is not a poor country, ballastic medium range missile tech it has mastered and can make relatively cheaply. A lot of missiles and make them quicker then Israel can make Arrow/Iron Dome.
If Iran has managed to save a lot of it's missiles from being destroyed, could we now soon start seeing the point where Israel runs out of interceptors?> After all US does not make them and cannot resupply

This seems spot on to me.

 

[vmro]

If they were moved you can bet your whole months pay that US, Israel and spooks inside Iran, which we know Iran was infested with, know they were moved and very likely know many of the locations they were moved into.

Bibi just confirmed your post, he had "good idea where is moved. "

It's worth mentioning that entire neighborhood diplomatically is supportive to Iran, or maybe against Israel...With Pakistan, Turkey also condemned Israel, while unexpectedly a little bit disappointing steps by Armenia...

 

[PakShaheen_79]

so no new attack from Iran today?

 

[Garcia Sea]

It seems Iran’s missile launches have finally decreased to 15 per day—will it drop below 10 tomorrow?
Conversely, Israel is intensifying its efforts with the largest-scale bombing in its history.
Khamenei is probably holed up in a shelter right now, desperately concocting excuses to surrender and sell out Iran.
Failing to even mobilize reservists during this national crisis is nothing short of an act of betrayal.

 

[vmro]

It seems Iran’s missile launches have finally decreased to 15 per day—will it drop below 10 tomorrow?
Conversely, Israel is intensifying its efforts with the largest-scale bombing in its history.
Khamenei is probably holed up in a shelter right now, desperately concocting excuses to surrender and sell out Iran.
Failing to even mobilize reservists during this national crisis is nothing short of an act of betrayal.

Are you sure??? Israel is eager to finish this as soon as possible, while Iran is going to keep long conflict of attrition...

 

[Unknown987]

Yes mossad planted attack just like the twin towers and Isis attacks in the Europe.

 

[Xerxes22]

Not bombing Dimona still has coward Khamenei written all over it. Why the hell hasn't it been? There is no logical explanation. He is costing us massively. Shameful.

 

[Ficus]

Its sus

The same can be said about casually assassinating many of their top commanders and wiped out their ally like nothing in the last two years.

Has that mystery being solved yet?

It's possible that they feel compromised and don't trust each other.