Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Something seems off to me.

Only a day or so back Yahu was talking about knowing where the nuclear material in a new site might be and today there is this pantomime Trumpy is doing like a parent disciplining his kids. He only mentioned regime change a day back and now is saying he doesn't want create a mess.

Israel needs its interceptor missiles restocked and they are worried tje damage Iran is doing with a very low missile attack. They want to fix that before they go after the nuclear material.

If this ceasefire holds, Iran must plan for round 2 and get those missile bases and any remaining radars AD batteries setup to protect key sites.
 

Trump's strong language a sign of how frustrated he's become​


Bernd Debusmann Jr
Reporting from Washington DC

US President Donald Trump speaks to the media as he departs the White House for the NATO leaders summit, TV cameras and microphones can be seen with the Marine One helicopter in the distance on the White House lawn
Image source, EPA

I spend most of my days at the White House, and I’m often part of the press pool or travelling with President Donald Trump on his trips around the US.

Rarely – if ever – have I seen him using the sort of language he used this morning.

Trump tends to reserve his angrier moments for Truth Social. He’s a man who likes to, at least publicly, keep the image of a cool, calculated dealmaker, and on the few occasions I’ve seen him snap in front of the media, it’s been at reporters for ā€œstupidā€ or ā€œridiculousā€ questions.

His use of an expletive in front of the world’s cameras on the South Lawn of the White House are perhaps a sign of how frustrated he’s become with the two warring parties, with Israel seemingly – for now – facing the brunt of his anger.

Trump has repeatedly vowed that he will bring an end to conflicts, including in Gaza and Ukraine.

More recently, we’ve seen him pivot to claim credit for ending fighting between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo, and between India and Pakistan. Those conflicts, however, were largely far from the mind of most Americans.

In the eyes of the administration, a ceasefire between Iran and Israel will be – or would have been – a crowning foreign policy achievement that would have allowed him to point to a significant victory, particularly if coupled with an end to Iran’s nuclear programme that was helped along by US bombers.

Already last night, we saw figures from within the White House loudly praise Trump’s ā€œpeaceā€. But for now, he appears to be flustered and angry that it’s not taking place.
 
It is going to take a very long time and lot of resources for Iran to develop a potent airforce like Pakistan. Sure, they can do it. They are smart people. But Pakistan's situation is unique in the world where Pakistan has a powerful, large enemy along a very long frontline for decades and so Pakistan had to really, really hone its preparedness. Indian airforce is not an incapable force; their training is not bad. It's just that Pakistan is better.
Until Iran prepares its airforce it should work on revamping its missile production and its air defense system on priority because the next attack is not far. If this ceasefire is even mentioned that's because of the lethality of the Iranian missile system otherwise Netanyahu is not the one with any desire for 'peace'.
Within years, like two to three years, they will be ready if we help them. We should make ties stronger. We can help them in so many areas. It's necessary for our own security in this region.
 
Iran caused some nice civilian casualties in israel whereas they only had their radar station gone today. Furthermore, Trumpā€˜s remarks now portray Israel as the out of control troublemaker. Iā€˜d say, unlike my first impression today morning, Iran has been the winner of the hours after the ceasefire.
 
As the only apartheid fascist state in the ME, the destruction of one apartment block is akin to 100s elsewhere. A small wave of 5-10 BMs results in paralysis of entire cities.
Psychological toll unbearable. They have all tasted death. They have all had their eardrums defiled.
They all feel like amalek.
Thank you for your understanding.

Absolutely.
It is wrong for some here to compare building for building, death for death, injury for injury comparisons in this conflict, sad it is to say that: Any loss in Israel, the supposed last and best haven for the global Jewry, reverbrates on many levels. Their sense of security, their tourism, their sense of superiority, their economy ...
 
A lot of oil and gas but it would appear their oil and gas infrastructure was also attacked that will require a lot US dollars to repair.

How much will it cost to rebuilt the oil infrastructure ? Maybe 3-4 billion $. Add 20 billion $ worth of weapons from China. Iran can easily sign a deal worth $30 billion of oil with china for all this.
 
But Iran lost a lot of aura points by not including Gaza in the ceasefire, even though the last attack was deliberately exaggerated to make Israel break ceasefire
They didn't negotiate anything, this seems like same strategy trumpy used with Pak & India.
 
After World War I, France adopted a strategy to deter Germany by strengthening alliances with Poland, Czechoslovakia, and Belgium to prevent German revenge.
However, when Germany began its territorial expansion, France allowed the annexation of its ally, Czechoslovakia.
The following year, when Germany invaded Poland, France declared war only in name but again stood by and did nothing.
This stance caused Belgium, the remaining ally, to lose trust in France, distance itself, and, with unity fractured, Germany invaded France the year after Poland, leading to France’s surrender in just one month.

Now, do you understand what I’m saying?
Iran abandoning its allies was the same catastrophic mistake as France, and it led to a de facto surrender in just two weeks.
Your argument that proxy wars should be stopped is historically incorrect.
The West, knowing from bitter history that proxy wars are the path to peace, fully supports its allies and wages proxy wars with all its might.
You should learn from history.
 

Trump's strong language a sign of how frustrated he's become​


Bernd Debusmann Jr
Reporting from Washington DC

US President Donald Trump speaks to the media as he departs the White House for the NATO leaders summit, TV cameras and microphones can be seen with the Marine One helicopter in the distance on the White House lawn
Image source, EPA

I spend most of my days at the White House, and I’m often part of the press pool or travelling with President Donald Trump on his trips around the US.

Rarely – if ever – have I seen him using the sort of language he used this morning.

Trump tends to reserve his angrier moments for Truth Social. He’s a man who likes to, at least publicly, keep the image of a cool, calculated dealmaker, and on the few occasions I’ve seen him snap in front of the media, it’s been at reporters for ā€œstupidā€ or ā€œridiculousā€ questions.

His use of an expletive in front of the world’s cameras on the South Lawn of the White House are perhaps a sign of how frustrated he’s become with the two warring parties, with Israel seemingly – for now – facing the brunt of his anger.

Trump has repeatedly vowed that he will bring an end to conflicts, including in Gaza and Ukraine.

More recently, we’ve seen him pivot to claim credit for ending fighting between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo, and between India and Pakistan. Those conflicts, however, were largely far from the mind of most Americans.

In the eyes of the administration, a ceasefire between Iran and Israel will be – or would have been – a crowning foreign policy achievement that would have allowed him to point to a significant victory, particularly if coupled with an end to Iran’s nuclear programme that was helped along by US bombers.

Already last night, we saw figures from within the White House loudly praise Trump’s ā€œpeaceā€. But for now, he appears to be flustered and angry that it’s not taking place.
I don't blame him, I would be frustrated too if I were in his shoes.
 

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