Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Dreams shattered...


Oh Lord! Hahaha!!

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Brother, they don't realise how these things work - they are emotional and this thread is affording them catharsis - none of them will go and fight Israel or any other enemy when the SHTF.

This is the downfall of the ummah, I am talking as a whole civilisation we went downhill, our thinking, thought, ideas, education, unity, culture all gone down. For example this is one group alot of my relatives follow and love, these guys hate all muslim nations, their armies, culture, they dont recognise the borders and even flags but pretend to be the well wishers of the Muslims, clearly MI5 agents. The aim is to make Muslims fight each other for khilafat but when we destroy each other these people know very well our nations will be sent back 50 years, then their handlers will come to overtake, they also lobby junior generals to overthrow senior generals, the aim is to target the chain of command so civil war takes place, Just like in Libya, Syria, Iraq etc. All their followers are foolish youth, emotionally charged in their Nike trainers, and addidas tops.

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This is the downfall of the ummah, I am talking as a whole civilisation we went downhill, our thinking, thought, ideas, education, unity, culture all gone down. For example this is one group alot of my relatives follow and love, these guys hate all muslim nations, their armies, culture, they dont recognise the borders and even flags but pretend to be the well wishers of the Muslims, clearly MI5 agents. The aim is to make Muslims fight each other for khilafat but when we destroy each other these people know very well our nations will be sent back 50 years, then their handlers will come to overtake, they also lobby junior generals to overthrow senior generals, the aim is to target the chain of command so civil war takes place, Just like in Libya, Syria, Iraq etc.

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Please brother, don't talk about this thing called the "Ummah" with me.
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He literally abused?? 😨
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Lol... Trump is a clown that gets no respect.

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So Khawaja Asif already knew that regime change wouldn‘t be succesful and hence started cursing Pahlavi like I‘ve never seen a foreign minister do :ROFLMAO: Fair play.





He is still a corrupt fraud though.
 
No one deserves it more.
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They stood thick and thin with the country and rightfully deserve a celebration.

My only concern is the possibility of a terrorist attack occurring.
 
I am going to bed. My job performance has suffered due to following this conflict too closely and that is really dumb and an own-goal.

Last couple of months has been crazy, I would even say the last year and a half


I have taken actual days of work and said fcuk it im staying at home so I can binge Pakistan defence forum and Internet


Pakistan made us proud against India
Iran has stood up against Israel and U.S

If only the Arabs supported Palestine like they should we could be on the cusp of a new era

The Muslim world needs to wake the fcuk up, work together against common enemies
 
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With the war ending and ceasefire commencing, one question remains unanswered:

What is the identity of this aircraft if it's not F-35? 🤔
 
Have the IAEA inspectors been kicked out yet? and whats the update on the Russia meeting, seems like nothing was announced after that.

Also an interesting article I noted regarding the recent reshuffling of the old guard to the new.

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Either you are too naive or closing your eyes from reality. If Pakistan didn’t have the nukes, America would have bombed us in 2001 when they came into Afghanistan. Our situation is very different to Iran. We are not Iran who claims that nuclear bomb is haram, happy to join NPT, happy for IAEA to visit nuclear site and confirm that the uranium is being enriched at 3.6% back in the days of Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran. About Pakistan, We are a recognised nuclear state who claims that our nuclear program is for our safety and we will nuke anyone who dares come near us… similar to the stance of India, UK and the USA.

So I can conclude that the advice you gave applies to Iran only. However, it must be left to the Iranians to decide for themselves whether they wish to pursue nuclear weapons or not, just like what Pakistan decided for itself.
 
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BTW, in case we haven't noticed: The way the air warfare has evolved, getting older fighter jets is not going to cut it for major players. Powerful modern jets are needed between peer powers, powerful integrated air defense system needed, continuous training and assessment needing, satellites, electronic defense... things which Pravin Swaheny has been talking about for years in the context of China+Pakistan vs India conflict.
And I think getting 4+ gen fighter jets is not going to be easy for most countries due to production concerns. I think India is already feeling the pinch despite its deep pockets.
We are getting our own training in china for J-35. I say let's welcome iranian pilots and train them on basic training jets. I think we have mushshak or something similiar. I forget names. You are right about integration. It requires many many years but we should help Iran in any way possible. Iran and it's future Iranian aiforce will be vital for Pakistan. Iran doesn't have much time. Israel will try regime change again which is against our interest.

Time is right for both of us to reset ties and take them to another level. I say let them come and train them on our training jets. I hope iran learns a powerful lesson. India is an enemy of Iran and Iran should realize it now.
 
Last couple of months has been crazy, I would even say the last year and a half


I have taken actual days of work and said fcuk it im staying at home so I can binge Pakistan defence forum and Internet


Pakistan made us proud against India
Iran has stood up against Israel and U.S

If only the Arabs supported Palestine like they should we could be on the cusp of a new era

The Muslim world needs to wake the fcuk up, work together against common enemies
It took a big toll on my mental health. Especially during the Pak-India conflict with that constant fear for Pakistani civilian lives in case of a big attack. Waking up in the morning to see what happened, if something big occurred.

Disgusting time that has been.
 
Iran needs much better people in charge of their economy and military. The govt also needs to lessen the repression and also reduce the over-generous subsidies with which it bribes the people. It should continue its policy of building much better ties with the GCC, but most important is it needs to really build a fresh relationship with Pakistan and China, with Pakistan as the conduit. It needs to let go of Russia, which has been backstabbing it nonstop for decades now.
 

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