Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

All of these things have been tried, to be honest.

The truth is that all countries in the world prefer to comply with the US secondary sanctions because their reliance on the US economy is too much to ignore and the interests of having good economic ties with the US overshadows their economic ties with us.

A perfect example of this is the Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline that not only would've tied the national interests of the said countries together, but it could've even brought peace to the Pakistan-India relations due to energy ties. It was a major international project. We built our own side of the pipeline before 2015, but Pakistan had to abandon the project due to the US pressure.

China was offered to participate in the development of several multi-billion dollar projects in Iran. China abandoned all those projects. Again, as an example, Phase 11 of the South Pars gas field was offered to the Chinese but they didn't do anything for years and Iran had to eventually kick them out and develop it on our own. Iran needs to invest $200 billion dollars in our oil and gas industries, but the Chinese seem reluctant to participate in any of these projects due to US sanctions.

Yesterday, Trump tweeted that China now can buy oil from Iran. What does that tell you? To me, it says that the Chinese buy Iranian oil with the permission of the US. That's the only reasonable implication of that comment by Trump.

China-Pakistan relations would never work had Pakistan had hostile relations with the US. So, apples and oranges.
I don’t think China is particularly bothered by U.S. sanctions on Iran — at least not behind the scenes. After all, the daughter of Huawei’s founder was held under house arrest in Canada for two years due to Huawei’s dealings with Iran’s telecom system. That alone shows China is willing to take certain risks and face Western backlash when the cooperation with Iran serves its interests.

But like any rational actor, China’s cooperation with Iran has to be mutually beneficial. If the risks outweigh the potential gains, China may very well choose not to take on excessive political cost.

It’s also worth mentioning that Iran only restored diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia in 2023. Before that, any close cooperation with Iran not only risked friction with the West, but also could have been misunderstood or viewed unfavorably by other Sunni-majority countries in the region.

From a Chinese perspective, both China and Russia have, in the past, made suggestions regarding Iran’s military development. But Iran seems to have strong confidence in its own defense capabilities. In fact, during the 2024 Xiangshan Forum, Iran’s Chief of Staff, Habibollah Sayyari, said in an interview with Chinese reporters: "Iran's domestic weapons fully meet our needs. Our systems are increasingly diverse. We've repeatedly said that we and other regional countries can guarantee the region's security. There's no need for outsiders to get involved." That says a lot about Iran’s lack of urgency when it comes to deeper military cooperation.

As for your point about Trump tweeting that China could buy oil from Iran — I think you're reading way too much into it. Trump said a lot of things on Twitter that didn’t reflect actual policy. No serious strategist would base national-level judgments on his tweets alone.

In fact, Trump threatened in March this year to impose a 25% tariff on all countries importing oil from Venezuela. And yet, according to a Reuters report from early June, Venezuela’s oil exports to China actually rose in May — around 584,000 barrels per day, up from 521,000 in April. Global exports remained steady at about 779,000 bpd. This shows that China, using tactics like obscuring the source, trans-shipping, and re-labeling, not only maintained but even increased its intake of Venezuelan oil.

The global strategic landscape has changed. Trump slapped tariffs on practically everyone, and at one point, U.S.–China tariffs reached over 100%. Do you really think China still loses sleep over U.S. tariffs? Not to mention China holds leverage with rare earth exports.

So rather than saying China is afraid of U.S. economic retaliation, I’d argue the more decisive factor is whether the partnership with Iran is truly profitable or strategically beneficial for China. After all, Russia has already been sanctioned to the extreme by the West — yet even Russia’s cooperation with Iran has remained limited.
 
One point that has not been discussed on the bunker busters. By not using them, there was a deterrent effect that they could be used, if needed. Now that they were used and didn't work, that deterrent effect is gone. There will be no future "stick" to any future diplomatic "carrots" Washington may try to offer.
The emperor has no clothes......
 
I don't think that's how things work, they don't have to show any proof or videos, but coming to negotiation table could be a hint but they were already there before Israel bombed that negotiations, weather the facility got major/minor damage or completely gone will be seen through the future progress of Iran's nuclear program, I believe Iran should stop beating around the bush and test a nuke, that will give them a much needed leverage to negotiate on better terms, yes the risk is high but so is the reward because Israel with nukes is far more dangerous than Iran/ISIS/AQ/ if they had nukes.
They were at the negotiation table but they will not go there now unless they are desperate.

Iran is already at maximum risk. There will be no increase in risk if they test the bomb. If they have the bomb, they should test it. You can't increase sanctions against them as they are already under full sanctions. And you can't go after them militarily in case they have tested the bomb.
 
As President Trump landed in the Netherlands for a NATO meeting, he was desperate to hold together the fragile cease-fire between Israel and Iran, cursing and cajoling to make sure that history would remember him for bombing Iran’s nuclear sites and brokering a peace deal days later.

Trump had been eager to celebrate the U.S. strikes on Iran, but a new report indicates the attack set back Iran’s nuclear program by only a few months.

Read more: https://nyti.ms/4nA8gGb
CNN and NYT nuff said. They will and have lied about Trump and will lie or allowed to be lied to if it means undermining the Orange man. I posted this earlier...

-If Fordow isn’t now a hive of activity? It’s done. If the regime isn’t frantically repairing the approach roads? It’s done. If they aren’t pulling all that earth crammed into the tunnel entrances? It’s done.

Mere power interruptions can destroy high-speed centrifuges. They HATE vibration of any kind. (12) 30,000 pound high-order explosive deep penetrators delivered a monumental amount of vibration, let alone explosive effects. My money is on Fordow being rendered useless. Activity- or the lack of it- will be the tell. I doubt the Iranians now have the time or the money to pretend to work on this facility.

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Iran would have gotten bombed again if it were so "they" want the conflict to continue and at the same time discredit Orange man. These are the same people that made up the Russian collusion hoax these media outlets will never be trusted again which is why they are sinking in ratings.
 
As President Trump landed in the Netherlands for a NATO meeting, he was desperate to hold together the fragile cease-fire between Israel and Iran, cursing and cajoling to make sure that history would remember him for bombing Iran’s nuclear sites and brokering a peace deal days later.

Trump had been eager to celebrate the U.S. strikes on Iran, but a new report indicates the attack set back Iran’s nuclear program by only a few months.

Read more: https://nyti.ms/4nA8gGb
Here in the French news, they are already pushing for resuming the war.
 
One point that has not been discussed on the bunker busters. By not using them, there was a deterrent effect that they could be used, if needed. Now that they were used and didn't work, that deterrent effect is gone. There will be no future "stick" to any future diplomatic "carrots" Washington may try to offer.
We don't know for sure how successful they were plus new ones are in development
 
Is he REALLY Iranian? He looks more jewish than Iranian.
Iran has thousands of Jews native to the land, and his nose makes him a strong candidate to be one of them.
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They will always have something, may be tactical nukes, but with consequences.


Iran leaned that they built shit right, and how to make it better ones in future, America liars will be back getting data from this strike!.
 
Iran has thousands of Jews native to the land, and his nose makes him a strong candidate to be one of them.
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Revival of SAVAK
 

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