Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[OldTwilight]

 

[hyperman]

Israelis are supplying drones to Russia, might explain why Putin is not more aggressively coming to Iran's aid.

 

[Watandar]

Larijani claims Israel attacked the SNSC during a meeting and the building collapsed! But he says the attack failed and he can only give more details later ... strange

meaning they were meeting in a bunker below the building and hence escaped.

 

[Nuffle]

If these claims are true, we should see a clear pattern in where AD sites were hit first. Specifically, there should be a concentration of attacks on AD systems along a northwest corridor from the Azerbaijani border toward central Iran. That would suggest they were carving a safe route in via Azerbaijan and Tabriz. If no such pattern exists and the attacks are more scattered or focused elsewhere, it would argue against the idea that they relied on that route. Mapping the targets is key to evaluating this claim objectively. But IRI is too incompetent to do this. They should hire us as advisors.

Fuel tanks of Israeli jets keep being found on Iran's Caspian coast.

Azerbaijani airspace is almost certainly being used as a launchpad towards Tehran.

Tehran certainly possesses some relatively modern air defense equipment, particularly the Russian-acquired S-300 PMU2 and Tor-M1 systems, but in insufficient numbers. The air and missile defense system is not standardized, with Russian, US, Chinese, and domestic systems, which complicates logistics, interoperability, and training. The mountainous terrain, which disrupts its radar coverage, and the relative scarcity of air defense systems relative to its considerable territory present serious problems for Iran's air defenses.

Given the series of limitations outlined above, Tehran has had to concentrate its air defense coverage on selected priorities, especially its nuclear infrastructure and its capital, leaving a large number of other potential targets with less protection. Iran certainly has the potential means to inflict losses from incoming air strikes, but its integrated air defense network is neither dense enough nor advanced enough to deal with attacks from adversaries capable of conducting stealth attacks and jamming its radar, communications, ELINT (electronic intelligence), electronic warfare (EW) and capacity for cooperative engagement (CEC) systems.

 

[Shags101]

Israelis are supplying drones to Russia, might explain why Putin is not more aggressively coming to Iran's aid.

i think it’s more the fact Russians is Israel have a lot of dealings with Putin end of the day it’s about money over loyalty I don’t think bashar is living in Russia out of kindness assuming he gave a kings ransom for his safety

 

[tsunset]

Jewkrainians and Arabs loves jews and zionists so much that they are pleased to get bombed by Israeli made bombs

 

[Meengla]

You will be surprised of how many Pakistanis are willing to commit treason for a sack of cash
This rule applies to every country in the world, it just takes time to build a strong network of traitors
Thinking that the only way to not get hit by Israel/US is just to "have an air force" is the biggest mistake to make

Willing to doesn't mean an extensive network already exists in Pakistan. But, yes, in every poor country of the world there are many people willing to betray their homeland for $$. In some cases, they don't mind having their country split into two countries--North and South Vietnam comes to mind.
Iran has been a major threat to the West for nearly half a century and thus so much assets have been invested in Iran. Pakistan, on the other hand, has been mostly a Western ally in half a century. Surely there are spies/saboteurs in Pakistan but the level of infiltration is nowhere as extensive as in Iran.

 

[mangekyo]

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Tehran certainly possesses some relatively modern air defense equipment, particularly the Russian-acquired S-300 PMU2 and Tor-M1 systems, but in insufficient numbers. The air and missile defense system is not standardized, with Russian, US, Chinese, and domestic systems, which complicates logistics, interoperability, and training. The mountainous terrain, which disrupts its radar coverage, and the relative scarcity of air defense systems relative to its considerable territory present serious problems for Iran's air defenses.

Given the series of limitations outlined above, Tehran has had to concentrate its air defense coverage on selected priorities, especially its nuclear infrastructure and its capital, leaving a large number of other potential targets with less protection. Iran certainly has the potential means to inflict losses from incoming air strikes, but its integrated air defense network is neither dense enough nor advanced enough to deal with attacks from adversaries capable of conducting stealth attacks and jamming its radar, communications, ELINT (electronic intelligence), electronic warfare (EW) and capacity for cooperative engagement (CEC) systems.

Its IRIs fault ignoring the threat coming from Turkey, did they not see what happened in Syria? I swear I saw this coming 10 years ago.

 

[Bharatah]

The truth is coming to light: Hackers leaked classified data from 'Israel' and obtained REAL figures on Israeli casualties in the current conflict with Iran :

 

[Nuffle]

the GBU-57 burn front never got close to the vaulted centrifuge halls buried under Qom’s ridge. U.S. bragged their 30 k-lb “mountain-eater” punches 60 m of soil or 20 m of 5 000 psi concrete; Fordow’s roof is limestone rated >8 000 psi, so the blast died in the overburden, leaving the tunnels structurally intact and now being vacuum-cleaned back to operational status

Can the tunnels remain intact even in the face of a sequential attack (2-3 bombs in the same location)?

When the bombs detonate, the shock waves propagate through the dense medium, undermining the foundations of the structure and causing its collapse. Even if a first bomb fails to collapse the bunker/underground facility, subsequent bombs may have the ability to penetrate even deeper and explode in the closest part of the facility.

I told you this in October 2024:

Post in thread 'Yemen Civil War News and Discussion.. an evolving situation'

Oct 17, 2024

much easier for B-2 to fly over Yemen (where even US MALE UAVs routinely fly) than over central Iran for hours

GPS can be interfered with, degrading accuracy

that said, Iran's facilities are not buried under 500m. Fordow is around 100m under a mountain, new facility at Natanz is 150m deep, and most missile bases are likely 50-500m deep, depending on if you measure the entrances or the core of the base

if US degrades Iranian IADS with SEAD/DEAD campaign to the extent B-2 jets can fly over Natanz and central Iran, they could fire a large number of bombs at the same point and...

• Nuffle

Two or more B-2s attacking the same target in a short space of time can reach depths greater than 150 meters. The Americans and Israelis use this technique. Each bomb lands 2 seconds after the previous one explodes.

It is important to note that there is always a weak point, no matter how deep or resistant a bunker is, which are the access points. There is no way to protect yourself from an air attack against high-precision weapons. What was valid until the 70s and 80s is no longer valid.

 

[vmro]

i think it’s more the fact Russians is Israel have a lot of dealings with Putin end of the day it’s about money over loyalty I don’t think bashar is living in Russia out of kindness assuming he gave a kings ransom for his safety

I don't know, and don't believe that Israel is supporting Russia anyhow...
In all Israelis media without pause most negative person is Khamenei, most ne⁴gative country Iran, but just a bit behind are Putin and Russia..

But Russia is self-deceptive and irrational, waiting to get love from the special ones

 

[OldTwilight]

 

[Nuffle]

Surprisingly, one of Iran’s options is to reinstall the centrifuges at Fordow. The Defense Intelligence Agency report concludes that while the strike damaged the electrical system and collapsed the entrance tunnels, the underground enrichment hall remains intact. This helps explain why all these other underground facilities weren’t attacked. They are even deeper than Fordow. I guess the United States is going to need a bigger MOP.

All told, Iran likely retains the 900 pounds of highly enriched uranium that the IAEA said Iran had produced, as well as an extensive network of underground facilities to produce centrifuges, enrich the material further, and assemble it into a small stockpile of nuclear weapons if that’s what it chooses to do. It’s no surprise that the DIA thinks the program hasn’t been set back all that much.

Perhaps it is hard to square the limited impact of the bombing with the spectacular appearance of a bombing campaign, with its screaming missiles and thunderous explosions. It says a lot that one of the most impressive displays of airpower in history did so little to damage Iran’s nuclear program. This is precisely why, at the outset of the campaign, I made clear that the strike would likely only succeed if the Iranian regime fell.

While regime change by airpower always seemed to be a desperately long shot, it was somehow still more plausible than the obliteration of a large, dispersed, and deeply buried nuclear program such as Iran’s. I think that the Israelis knew that, too. After all, Netanyahu named the operation Rising Lion, after the national symbol of prerevolutionary Iran. Israel’s national animal is the gazelle.

Either way, I am sure the inevitable internal discussions in Iran will now look different, not least because there are going to be a number of new faces at the table. The United States and Israel have changed the regime in some sense—just maybe not in the way that they hoped.

Iran Is on Course for a Bomb After U.S. Strikes Fail to Destroy Facilities

Satellite imagery confirms that Iranian capabilities are bruised, not annihilated.

foreignpolicy.com

Dude!!!!! Baghdad Bob and his clone can't read this.

 

[OldTwilight]

Its IRIs fault ignoring the threat coming from Turkey, did they not see what happened in Syria? I swear I saw this coming 10 years ago.

Pan-Turk-Allahis infiltrated IR , even right now, they are lobbying for Baku ...

When a government become too ideological and push nationalist aside, this thing tends to happen.

it didn't even need intelligence activity to find out about the threat!!!! Just follow news and you would knew the danger.

 

[Persian Gulf]

seems more and more likely that the US strikes were not successful

Larijani also teased this, saying something like if they want to say it was successful, let them say it

this could also be a ploy by Zionists to bring the issue back into the news to encourage more strikes against Iran