Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Lets say Israel has 3 B-2s with infinite GBU-57s.

infinite GBU-57s is very far from reality

these are huge and very expensive bombs ($20m each!) that only exist in relatively small numbers. up to 50 in total (most estimates say 20-30 prior to the attack on Iran). they used 14 of them just for Fordow and Natanz

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

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[Persian Gulf]

Yes, I saw that on Deep Dive Defense. But we don't know how many launchers we have.
The British intelligence, a few years ago, claimed Iran had only 60 launchers, which is a ridiculous claim in my opinion. I think the real number is obviously above 100.
If we have 400 launchers, then we are fine.

60 is pretty funny. we can tell it's much more than that just from the missile base videos we have seen

the analysis is good to show Israel exaggerated hugely but it assumes they showed videos of every strike on a launcher

 

[Kyussis]

infinite GBU-57s is very far from reality

these are huge and very expensive bombs ($20m each!) that only except in relatively small numbers. up to 50 in total (most estimates say 20-30 prior to the attack on Iran). they used 14 of them just for Fordow and Natanz

I agree. It was only for arguments sake.

 

[Lulldapull]

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What is this? Another Pakistani wishful tweet by you?

Again?

 

[BigMela2onin]

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Well they didn't learn from S-300 affair and chances are they won't learm from this. Russia has been our enemy for centuries and nothing has changed. You can't help stupid that refuses to learn.

 

[ShapurII]

Our drones have to fly 1200km minimum over hostile airspaces just to reach Israel!

Sure, but that's the whole point of Shahed-136 drones. They are supposed to be cheap to be mass-produced in thousands and deplete the enemy's air defenses.
Imagine Iran fired 1000s of Shahed drones each day. It would've made a huge difference.

I highly doubt Israel will attempt to do a repeat of the "12 day war" ever again. Majority of their intelligence cards have been burnt and they have seen that they cannot suppress Iranian SSMs despite every effort. The Threat I see going forward will be from a protracted proxy war where Israel will use the Republic of Azerbaijan, Kurdish separatists and Salafist Jihadis to "balkanize" Iran and have the IAF providing Air cover from bases in Syria, Azerbaijan and other neighboring states. Israel bombed many locations in western Iran including Army bases to soften Iran up during the "12 day war".

I agree with you that the next war will not be like this war, but I disagree that their intelligence cards have been burnt. As long as we are using Western technology, they still have that card.
And I completely agree with you that the next phase is to instigate separatism, and some of our neighbors, one or two in particular, might even join them.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Sure, but that's the whole point of Shahed-136 drones. They are supposed to be cheap to be mass-produced in thousands and deplete the enemy's air defenses.
Imagine Iran fired 1000s of Shahed drones each day. It would've made a huge difference.


I agree with you that the next war will not be like this war, but I disagree that their intelligence cards have been burnt. As long as we are using Western technology, they still have that card.
And I completely agree with you that the next phase is to instigate separatism, and some of our neighbors, one or two in particular, might even join them.

Iran is not willing to actually do damage that would deter escalation because it is paralyzing afraid of escalation itself. UAE and Azerbaijan have plans to invade. Easy to deter them by indiscriminately pummeling Baku and Dubai with SSMs but Iran will never ever do this just like they will never ever go for nukes. Even if we had nukes, they would never ever be willing to launch them so the deterrence wouldn't be there with nukes anyways, kind of like with Russia.

 

[ShapurII]

Iran is not willing to actually do damage that would deter escalation because it is paralyzing afraid of escalation itself. UAE and Azerbaijan have plans to invade. Easy to deter them by indiscriminately pummeling Baku and Dubai with SSMs but Iran will never ever do this just like they will never ever go for nukes. Even if we had nukes, they would never ever be willing to launch them so the deterrence wouldn't be there with nukes anyways, kind of like with Russia.

And why? I mean if that is true, then is it anything other than treason?

 

[tsunset]

Yemeni Houthi killed all the Armed Security Team and sunk their vessel

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[BigMela2onin]

And why? I mean if that is true, then is it anything other than treason?

They really lack the capacity to understand this is an existential war just like it was for Saddam and Ghaddafi. There is no room for resistance or opposition to the whites. They are only interested in slaves, everything else they will utterly destroy. Khamenei thought he could keep them at an arms length and that they would leave Iran alone, but he is as much of a fool as the reformists.

 

[ShapurII]

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This news seems true. It has been published in Iranian newspapers as well, but the source seems to be defense blog. Russia also has offered India ToT and promised to deliver 40 Sukhoi-35s in 2-3 years.

They really lack the capacity to understand this is an existential war just like it was for Saddam and Ghaddafi. There is no room for resistance or opposition to the whites. They are only interested in slaves, everything else they will utterly destroy. Khamenei thought he could keep them at an arms length and that they would leave Iran alone, but he is as much of a fool as the reformists.

I just think they are puppets. Stronger than Bashar al-Assad, but in the same league.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

This is why we need a coalition of the willing to defend freedom and democracy against Islamic terrorism.

What about narco terrorism?

Or extreme left wing or extreme right wing terrorism?

What about US politicians in general?

Remember, once upon a time, Janet Napolitano said the border was never more secure. And later, her minion Alex Mayorkas would state the border is closed.

Each time it was a lie.

Bottom line, everyone is going to suppress or distort the truth.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I just think they are puppets. Stronger than Bashar al-Assad, but in the same league.

I disagree, I think they're just horrifically, unbelievably naive. Either way they're not fit to run the nation.

 

[RAJPUT]

This is why we need a coalition of the willing to defend freedom and democracy against Islamic terrorism.

What the hell is Islamic terrorism? What about school shooting terrorists? What about the IDF? What about the US army in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan?

Why do you guys single out lunatics who hide behind the garb of Islam and bring shame to the entire muslim population by naming it Islamic terrorism? Why have you hijacked the words Jihad, Islamist, and Muslim to make them sound all so scary and ridiculous. Enough with this bullshit rhetoric man. Treat all terrorism alike, punish any and all terrorists but do not dare equate this BS and Islam.