Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[shapurzolaktaf]

You just discredited yourself by writing this stupid, hilarious comment. You couldn't come up with even a single meaningful argument except for deflecting like Hack-Hook when you talk about the reformists to him. Everyone can see that Russia is treating Iran like a wh*re. You will never be looked again as a patriot after all this bullshit peddling.

Your KGB-trained Grand Ayatollah, who was groomed by Russia to rule over Iran, is ruining Iran and will ruin Iran unless stopped forcefully. Hopefully, he will die or be killed before that happens but the system he has created in the last 35 years is a ticking bomb that will explode soon.


Soviet Russia declared it respected Iran's independence and territorial integrity? How can you lie so easily? Soviet Russia instigated separatism in Azerbaijan, Mahabad and Guilan.

Russia was the first country to sign the Emirates claims on our 3 islands. They literally started the trend. What a pathetic liar.

I read accusations, rants as part of an emotional/triggered response.

Answer me:
1. Who separated Bahrain and Herat and who wanted to separate Khuzestan from Iran?
2. Russia has its own interests, like west, they're not obligated to do anything for us. Fact is our relation with Russia is independent: we have our red lines and have warned them about it (zangezur corridor), we don't recognize their separatist republics like Abkhazia and Ossetia (Syria did).
3. (ChatGPT): Did Khamenei study in the Soviet Union or Russia? No credible evidence supports this. Experts and official biographies contradict it.
4. (ChatGPT): Was Khamenei a KGB agent? No documented proof exists. It remains a fringe conspiracy without primary-source backing.
5. Who is supporting separatist forces against Iran in the last 45 years? West or China and Russia?
6. West caused a famine inside Iran and removed father of shah (Reza Mirpanj, the officer), they could not handle nationalization of oil (or that we demanded 50% of our own oil income) and made a coup against Mossadegh.
7. More tensions existed between Iran and Russia before 1979, especially during the Cold War, due to ideological clashes, Soviet territorial interference, and Iran’s alignment with the U.S. Now we have less tensions with Russia compared to before the revolution. We can't be used against Russia, which is a neighbour. West used Ukraine and Georgia against Russia and destroyed both countries.
8. West gave chemical weapons to Saddam and supported Saddam by sattelite info, pilots, chemical weapons. We gave drones to Russia to weaken west and earned money.
9. West is 1000x worse than China and Russia when it comes to oat and agreements. JCPOA and last aggression during negotiations showed that to us. The more agreements you make, the more bombs they throw on your civilians.
10. China and Russia don't massively bomb and kill and invade other countries, west does (Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, and so on).
11. West is declining, east and south are rising.
12. Who delayed nucleair program of Iran before the revolution? see the youtube clip which I posted.

Don't give your brain to zionist fools (they're truely fools, see their reputation and evil deeds). Just accept that all powers have their own interests and are not obligated to help us, both east and west. Learn from mistakes and improve the current situation.

 

[ShapurII]

I read accusations, rants as part of an emotional/triggered response.

Answer me:
1. Who separated Bahrain and Herat and who wanted to separate Khuzestan from Iran?
2. Russia has its own interests, like west, they're not obligated to do anything for us. Fact is our relation with Russia is independent: we have our red lines and have warned them about it (zangezur corridor), we don't recognize their separatist republics like Abkhazia and Ossetia (Syria did).
3. (ChatGPT): Did Khamenei study in the Soviet Union or Russia? No credible evidence supports this. Experts and official biographies contradict it.
4. (ChatGPT): Was Khamenei a KGB agent? No documented proof exists. It remains a fringe conspiracy without primary-source backing.
5. Who is supporting separatist forces against Iran in the last 45 years? West or China and Russia?
6. West caused a famine inside Iran and removed father of shah (Reza Mirpanj, the officer), they could not handle nationalization of oil (or that we demanded 50% of our own oil income) and made a coup against Mossadegh.
7. More tensions existed between Iran and Russia before 1979, especially during the Cold War, due to ideological clashes, Soviet territorial interference, and Iran’s alignment with the U.S. Now we have less tensions with Russia compared to before the revolution. We can't be used against Russia, which is a neighbour. West used Ukraine and Georgia against Russia and destroyed both countries.


Don't give your brain to zionist fools (they're truely fools, see their reputation and evil deeds). Just accept that all powers have their own interests and are not obligated to help us, both east and west. Learn from mistakes and improve the current situation.

What accusations? They were all facts. And they were related to post-revolution Iran in the last 20-25 years. The fact that you have to return to 100 years ago to come up with completely irrelevant counter arguments shows that you have nothing to say on the topic. That proves you to be the triggered one here, trying to defend the undefendable. Tsarist Russia and Soviet Russia annexed one-third of our territory. Why don't you talk about that if you want to go into our historical relations with Russia?

Russia has always been Iran's number 1 enemy throughout our history in the last 3 centuries.

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@1:37

I believe RT news is a state-owned Russian channel. When it says Khamenei graduated from there, do you think they are lying? OK. Let's assume they are lying. Why doesn't Iran summon the Russian ambassador over that? They are spreading rumors about our leader. That shouldn't go unpunished.

Don't bend over for Russians. They are one of the most evil, two-faced nations on the face of the planet. Their history is full of evil deeds. In fact, the most evil, supremacist Zionists are Slavs, mainly going there from Russia.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

over a lost cause like Iran.

It seems the zionist media has completely shaped your perspective

You've been completely brainwashed by zionist media, and you can only see the negative sides of your own country

 

[ShapurII]

It seems the zionist media has completely shaped your perspective

You've been completely brainwashed by zionist media, and you can only see the negative part of your country

Our only way to get out of the current situation is nuclear deterrence. Iran is massively under-armed against the US and we need nuclear deterrence to guarantee our sovereignty.

You guys never listen to reason until it's too late. You were one of those people who said Israel would never dare to attack Iran, and not only it happened, but we all agree that it would restart soon.

 

[Bharatah]

Iran went from 13 tones of 3.5% enriched uranium to 300 kg. It is clear what happened. There is no need to explain more.

What you said violates the laws of physics:

1- Destroying 13 tons of 3.5% uranium wouldn't cause a nuclear disaster, but:

- It would spread radioactive dust (long-term cancer risk).
- If it's UF6, it would be a chemical disaster (not nuclear).

And none of this happened, there's no evidence of any of this.

2 - If it wasn't destroyed, it's somewhere for a purpose...

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No one knows what's happening in Iran's nuclear program now, as nuclear agency inspectors were expelled(and the cameras were turned off) on charges of spying for Israel. The agency itself has stated that it can't confirm what was destroyed or what wasn't, that it doesn't know what it has, and that it doesn't know where the enriched uranium is. The rest is Zionist nonsense.

 

[ShapurII]

What you said violates the laws of physics:

1- Destroying 13 tons of 3.5% uranium wouldn't cause a nuclear disaster, but:

- It would spread radioactive dust (long-term cancer risk).
- If it's UF6, it would be a chemical disaster (not nuclear).

And none of this happened, there's no evidence of any of this.

2 - If it wasn't destroyed, it's somewhere for a purpose...

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No one knows what's happening in Iran's nuclear program now, as nuclear agency inspectors were expelled(and the cameras were turned off) on charges of spying for Israel. The agency itself has stated that it can't confirm what was destroyed or what wasn't, that it doesn't know what it has, and that it doesn't know where the enriched uranium is. The rest is Zionist nonsense.

I'm starting to believe that dude who said you were a troll. I give you the benefit of the doubt for one last time.

Iran sent 13 tons of 3.5% enriched uranium abroad under the JCPOA.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

What accusations? They were all facts. And they were related to post-revolution Iran in the last 20-25 years. The fact that you have to return to 100 years ago to come up with completely irrelevant counter arguments shows that you have nothing to say on the topic. That proves you to be the triggered one here, trying to defend the undefendable. Tsarist Russia and Soviet Russia annexed one-third of our territory. Why don't you talk about that if you want to go into our historical relations with Russia?

Russia has always been Iran's number 1 enemy throughout our history in the last 3 centuries.

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@1:37

I believe RT news is a state-owned Russian channel. When it says Khamenei graduated from there, do you think they are lying? OK. Let's assume they are lying. Why doesn't Iran summon the Russian ambassador over that? They are spreading rumors about our leader. That shouldn't go unpunished.

Don't bend over for Russians. They are the most evil nation on the face of the planet. Their history is full of evil deeds. In fact, the most evil Zionists are Slavs, mainly going there from Russia.

There is no Tsarist and Soviet Russia anymore. It's like saying ottomans empire captured kurdish parts of Iran, yes, but should Turkey be our worse enemy now?

You can go back 1000 years back, but after 1979 (Iran) and after 1991 (Russia) both countries got new administrations.

Ofcourse I'm talking about post revolution situation, it's more relevant and important and we have MORE peace and CANT be played against Russia anymore. If you are against this, it means you don't mind Iran playing Ukrainian or Georgian proxy-role, which is impossible because of 1979 revolution.

RT is the Russian FOX TV, click bait and nonsense. I proved you all these fake accusations were nonsense, so don't repeat them for the sake of your own reputation.

I expect this nonsense from bunch of old, blond-haired wheelchair-shitting shahollahi grandmothers, parroting Mossad-media ("Iran-International") and having not read a single book in their entire life.

Islamic republic supported Afghan Mujahedin to kill Russians and these Bahais and zionists are telling me Iran and Khamenei is puppet of Russia.

Don't worry, Iran is not bending for anyone and our hypersonic missles maimed & PTSD-ed some Russian jews for life during last attack.

Further I agree with you, we should go for nuclear weapons.

 

[ShapurII]

There is no Tsarist and Soviet Russia anymore. It's like saying ottomans empire captured kurdish parts of Iran, yes, but should Turkey be our worse enemy now?

You can go back 1000 years back, but after 1979 (Iran) and after 1991 (Russia) both countries got new administrations.

Ofcourse I'm talking about post revolution situation, it's more relevant and important and we have MORE peace and CANT be played against Russia anymore. If you are against this, it means you don't mind Iran playing Ukrainian or Georgian proxy-role, which is impossible because of 1979 revolution.

RT is the Russian FOX TV, click bait and nonsense. I proved you all these fake accusations were nonsense, so don't repeat them for the sake of your own reputation.

I expect this nonsense from bunch of old, blond-haired wheelchair-shitting shahollahi grandmothers, parroting Mossad-media ("Iran-International") and having not read a single book in their entire life.

Islamic republic supported Afghan Mujahedin to kill Russians and these Bahais and zionists are telling me Iran and Khamenei is puppet of Russia.

Don't worry, Iran is not bending for anyone and our hypersonic missles maimed & PTSD-ed some Russian jews for life during last attack.

You were the one who wanted to discuss 100 years ago. So, let's discuss it. But I know you don't want to because it proves that Russia has been our worst enemy in the last 3 CENTURIES.

Yes, we should be played by second-class power like Russia against the West. How wise! Really wise.

Islamic Republic was different back then. Khomeini wasn't a KGB agent, Khamenei is, as proved by ample evidence of how he prefers Russian interests over Iran's interests.

Yeah, and those Jews (who are an "almost-Russian speaking" nation, per Comrade Putin) bombed Iran worse than Gaza. They killed over 1,100 Iranians in 12 days. The average is higher than the people they have killed in an ongoing genocide campaign in Gaza.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Our only way to get out of the current situation is nuclear deterrence. Iran is massively under-armed against the US and we need nuclear deterrence to guarantee our sovereignty.

You guys never listen to reason until it's too late. You were one of those people who said Israel would never dare to attack Iran, and not only it happened, but we all agree that it would restart soon.

This is a war over control of the most powerful nation on Earth with even China and Russia supporting them behind the scenes. You have to take everything into account instead of criticizing your country as a whole.

By the way, Iran is 1,648,195 km² in size — and who knows how many underground bases we have related to missile or nuclear capabilities

Yeah, probably our politicians are dumb — but our militarists are completely different

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The Plan: Iran’s Nuclear Archive Shows it Planned to Build Five Nuclear Weapons by mid-2003 | ISIS Reports | Institute For Science And International Security

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[ShapurII]

This is a war over control of the most powerful nation on Earth with even China and Russia supporting them behind the scenes. You have to take everything into account instead of criticizing your country as a whole.

By the way, Iran is 1,648,195 km² in size — and who knows how many underground bases we have related to missile or nuclear capabilities

All I can say is that nuclear deterrence for Iran is an issue of survival at this point.
I hope we would hear some good news by September, and I'm foolish optimistic about it even though all evidence seems to be against what I'd like to hear.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

All I can say is that nuclear deterrence for Iran is an issue of survival at this point.
I hope we would hear some good news by September, and I'm foolish optimistic about it even though all evidence seems to be against what I'd like to hear.

All of Iran's nuke efforts since 1990's have been secret

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

You were the one who wanted to discuss 100 years ago. So, let's discuss it. But I know you don't want to because it proves that Russia has been our worst enemy in the last 3 CENTURIES.

Yes, we should be played by second-class power like Russia against the West. How wise! Really wise.

Islamic Republic was different back then. Khomeini wasn't a KGB agent, Khamenei is, as proved by ample evidence of how he prefers Russian interests over Iran's interests.

Yeah, and those Jews (who are an "almost-Russian speaking" nation, per Comrade Putin) bombed Iran worse than Gaza. They killed over 1,100 Iranians in 12 days. The average is higher than the people they have killed in an ongoing genocide campaign in Gaza.

Bro this is way too off-topic. In my previous posts I answered most of your questions and suggestions (I edited and expanded them, read the complete versions). So lets agree to disagree if you have a different pov. We're in a genocidal war and God willing our united position, will, creativity, military, irrelevant of some stupid politicans, will punish the enemy and protect our borders.

 

[OldTwilight]

It's time for us to move past Shahab/Scud Ballistic missiles...

Our BM range should increase to 3500 km and our missiles warhead should go up to 15000 kilograms ... we need at least 3500 k4 missiles for The zions , 7000 for USA , 7000 for KSA and 3000 for Turkey ( for targeting west of Turkey ) .... if we halves the number , we need 11000-13000 k4-kheybar t to keep our regional foes in check .
this number should be doubled for 750-1500 km range bm missiles and triple for short-range missiles... we need 60,000 missiles in various types of missiles... if we consider 400k $ for average price of any missiles , we have to spend 25 billion $ for creating this arsenal, with added cost of missiles base, launchers, and personals, maintenance it can go up to 36 billions $ for 20 years period which means 1.8 billions $ per years....

this give us good conventional fire projection power against state like foes in our immediate approximately

I just consider these for my calculations
length of war : 30 days
number of missiles per day : 100

if we want to add 50% lose in war and increase the war length, it goes up drastically...

 

[Cash gk]

What response? They got nothing to leverage anymore.

@Persian Gulf

Sometimes I feel it Iranians are so stupid they still trust Europe and America

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Sometimes I feel it Iranians are so stupid they still trust Europe and America

No, the problem is that 95% of the users here expect our diplomats to physically fight other diplomats, like neantherthals.

They don't understand that "polite" diplomacy doesnt necessarily exclude change of military doctrine (which plays in the background). They don't understand that diplomacy is a parallel process.

It's like expecting Putin to constantly threaten Europe and US with destruction, not offering any possible negotiation, simply because west is his enemy (which it is and they're at war).

Pakistani diplomats during the nuclear development period generally:

• Maintained a calculated, cautious, but firm stance.
• Emphasized security, deterrence, and parity.
• Used strategic ambiguity early on, then open defiance post-1998.
• Displayed a mix of diplomatic politeness and nationalistic assertiveness.
• Framed their nuclear policy as legitimate, defensive, and necessary.