Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

Blah blah blah. We fired a total of ~1,000 drones in 12 days. That's pathetic. If you think Israel will be defeated by 100 drones per day, of which +99% were intercepted, you're delusional.

I seriously think that we should ask China to produce Shahed-136 for us and purchase it from them. But the regime is even incompetent to do that.

What do you think was the cost to NATO for eliminating the 1000 drones? Iran can mass-launch low-cost drones. Israel and the U.S. are using a costlier, layered defense, spending hundreds of millions daily ( I have seen estimates in the billions), compared to Iran’s tens of millions.

Sun Tzu :

“In the operations of war... the expenditure at home and at the front… will reach the total of a thousand ounces of silver per day… now, when ... your treasure spent—… Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences.

Now that the element of surprise is spent( huge card), how effective do you think they will be in the next round? It is joke for anyone here to believe that they had a 99% interception rate. Have you seen videos of the drones being shot down in large numbers to back their claim? No, you have not. If they were so successful, why did they have such an intense media blackout of the damages?

The MK/ Zionist operatives in this forum, gloating at every piece of garbage out of the propaganda machine, are especially telling when their avatars are of national heroes.

Why did Israel ask for a ceasefire? Interceptor depletion, psychological pressure, and economic cost. If the war had continued for two more weeks, the damage to Israel would have been enormous.
Why would Iran need to ask the Chinese to build the drones when the government is intact, nuclear capability is intact, and the Military shocked the world with the ability to strike back after taking such a devastating blow in the first two days. The military showed its deterrence capabilities.

Fact
1) Iran survives a full-scale direct military engagement.
2)Iran was able to inflict visible damage on Israel.
3)Iran showed it can withstand cyber, air, and precision attacks.
4)Iran forces the enemy to halt the conflict without unconditional surrender or nuclear disarmament.

What happened to "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER"
...... بکن تو
That is what happened.

 

[tsunset]

This regime in occupied Baku must be dealt with once the Israeli threat is neutralized.
This is the beginning of the Battle of the BRICS v. the Dollar system. Russia was the first to enter the Kinetic phase, followed by Iran.

Pezeshkian and Alyiev are both best friends so it won't happen

 

[Hack-Hook]

What is his source? It shouldn't be hard to provide a source from Iranian medias if they really said this

an interview with Commodore Mosavi

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Any update

Iran do not have any capable AD. Air defense systems requires MASSIVE investment and cutting edge technology. I would trust only US, Russia and China Air defense. Israeli AD is largely based on US tech.

Iran's expertise is in Ballistic missiles. It do not have any expertise in air defense. They have some local air defense products but those cannot intercept anything. Iran needs to procure AD from China or Russia.

I told this thing before Israeli-Iran war that if the war happens, then for sure Israeli weapons will land on Iran. Some Iranian members made laughing emojis on my post saying that Iran do not need to buy from Russia, it has its own very capable AD. I tried to explain but they didnt listen. During war, we saw indigenous air defense was practically useless. Capital Tehran was open for attacks.

I don't blame iranian developers, Its just you cannot develop such advance sensors, electronics without a strong foundation and massive investments. Iran's deterrence is always offense. That if you attack, its okay if we can't stop it but we will strike back hard. That's a good strategy in my opinion. They have to make even more faster missiles and loads of them. This will serve as deterrence (means enemy will think many times before attacking) knowing if we damage Iran, they will strike back harder. This is better then focusing on complex air defense. Iran should just buy off the shelf some S400s or HQ9s or whatever is required. Provided Russia/China are willing to export to Iran.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

The Turks must be proud to be humiliated daily.

There are not even as many jews to take control of such large area and govern it. I don't think Israel is that stupid to make such maps or even think to expand that much. They simply don't need such large territory right now. They will just take some from Syria and that's all about it.

 

[Hack-Hook]

There are not even as many jews to take control of such large area and govern it. I don't think Israel is that stupid to make such maps or even think to expand that much. They simply don't need such large territory right now. They will just take some from Syria and that's all about it.

was there enough British man to take control of the British empire

 

[tsunset]

Iran do not have any capable AD. Air defense systems requires MASSIVE investment and cutting edge technology. I would trust only US, Russia and China Air defense. Israeli AD is largely based on US tech.

Iran's expertise is in Ballistic missiles. It do not have any expertise in air defense. They have some local air defense products but those cannot intercept anything. Iran needs to procure AD from China or Russia.

I told this thing before Israeli-Iran war that if the war happens, then for sure Israeli weapons will land on Iran. Some Iranian members made laughing emojis on my post saying that Iran do not need to buy from Russia, it has its own very capable AD. I tried to explain but they didnt listen. During war, we saw indigenous air defense was practically useless. Capital Tehran was open for attacks.

I don't blame iranian developers, Its just you cannot develop such advance sensors, electronics without a strong foundation and massive investments. Iran's deterrence is always offense. That if you attack, its okay if we can't stop it but we will strike back hard. That's a good strategy in my opinion. They have to make even more faster missiles and loads of them. This will serve as deterrence (means enemy will think many times before attacking) knowing if we damage Iran, they will strike back harder. This is better then focusing on complex air defense. Iran should just buy off the shelf some S400s or HQ9s or whatever is required. Provided Russia/China are willing to export to Iran.

Iran design and produce AD systems since decades and started heavily funding r&d in 2012 when Russia blocked the S-300 delivery

Iran has a lot of experience in AD systems both shorad and long range, they are not photoshop or fake Polish-like prototype and were tested in real situations, especially with 3rd Khordad. It has also an advanced and decent AD missile program in Sayyad 2/3/4/4B (SM-1/2 based missile) and Taer-2 missile

The problem is that they are not mass produced beside a couple of them

Bavar-373 has better performance than S-300pmu and HQ-9A, the only problem is that they are not mass produced in sufficient number. Design is good but no mass production, one of the only systems that has a "good" production rate is 3rd Khordad. And they were destroyed in the early phase of the war by insiders but now they allegedly replaced them

Iran have good shorad system and doesn't need to import, unless for mixing them with the current systems, with Majid and 358/359 missiles

In any case, we will always benefit of HQ-9B/S-400, any addition no matter the system is beneficial for Iran

 

[Persian Gulf]

important statement from Russia.

 

[vizier]

Any update

Good news but everyone is sure by now that the moment they are installed their position is known by Usa spy satellites after an hour or similar. If same stupid mistake is repeated again like install and forget strategy then israeli drones will do the fire and forget move again. Sams are no good at detecting small drones and stealth cruise missiles have a good chance hitting them as well as tactical ballistic missiles. They can do their thing against planes but they need to move around a lot in shoot-scoot mode if they dont want to be hit.

You need to build decoy vehicles to fool spy satellites with fake targets. Most importantly you need to relocate ad system every hour in threat times which is now true for Iran and maybe a little less but still move them around and reinstall them like every day in non-threat times. Decoys need to be relocated and reinstalled to other areas too since spy sats will easily understand they are decoys if they stay there all the time.

Every protected area needs at least two Khordad 3 like sam. When one starts to pack up and relocate to other area the other will open its radar scanning the same area so there wont be any scanning time gap on the same area and the vehicles would be moving continiously. This is easer with mid range sams like Buk-Khordad-HQ16 and similar but larger missiles like S400 eventhough they have huge range are more difficult to move and reinstall takes time. These are taken out easily from close ranges with drones-cruise missiles as we see in Ukr-Rus videos. Mobility and shoot-scoot is more important for sams than range.

 

[muhammed45]

Time to prepare for Azergayjan split-up....

Azerbaijan at the moment is busy with intimidating Russia in Ukraine and in other areas of its own influence. Consider it as a side effect of close relationship with Turkey and more importantly Israel.

Aliyev says that relationship with Iran is at its best. What it means is something to discuss. Why he says something like that does not really matter. Azerbaijan is Iran's backyard.

You don't logically set fire on your own backyard. Think about the long term plans.

 

[vmro]

There are not even as many jews to take control of such a large area and govern it. I don't think Israel is that stupid to make such maps or even think of expanding that much. They simply don't need such a large territory right now. They will just take some from Syria and that's all about it.

You are wrong my friend, they want huge territory because they got it from their last experiences how miserably they lack strategic depth, on one hand, and projected territory despite its size is in a large percentage without any inhabitants on the other hand..

 

[vmro]

Azerbaijan at the moment is busy with intimidating Russia in Ukraine and in other areas of its own influence. Consider it as a side effect of close relationship with Turkey and more importantly Israel.

Aliyev says that relationship with Iran is at its best. What it means is something to discuss. Why he says something like that does not really matter. Azerbaijan is Iran's backyard.

You don't logically set fire on your own backyard. Think about the long term plans.

Aliyev is obviously in a bold, provocative mode, boosted by something that makes him looking like Aliyev on steroids....

I don't know if it was some real damage or active support to zionistic aggression on Iran...

If he openly stabbing Iran in the back during the toughest periods, and the wounds are real and painful for Iran... at least he should be warned of the consequences for any such step in the future...

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Iran do not have any capable AD. Air defense systems requires MASSIVE investment and cutting edge technology. I would trust only US, Russia and China Air defense. Israeli AD is largely based on US tech.

Iran's expertise is in Ballistic missiles. It do not have any expertise in air defense. They have some local air defense products but those cannot intercept anything. Iran needs to procure AD from China or Russia.

I told this thing before Israeli-Iran war that if the war happens, then for sure Israeli weapons will land on Iran. Some Iranian members made laughing emojis on my post saying that Iran do not need to buy from Russia, it has its own very capable AD. I tried to explain but they didnt listen. During war, we saw indigenous air defense was practically useless. Capital Tehran was open for attacks.

I don't blame iranian developers, Its just you cannot develop such advance sensors, electronics without a strong foundation and massive investments. Iran's deterrence is always offense. That if you attack, its okay if we can't stop it but we will strike back hard. That's a good strategy in my opinion. They have to make even more faster missiles and loads of them. This will serve as deterrence (means enemy will think many times before attacking) knowing if we damage Iran, they will strike back harder. This is better then focusing on complex air defense. Iran should just buy off the shelf some S400s or HQ9s or whatever is required. Provided Russia/China are willing to export to Iran.

@Mr Iran Eye yes thanks for reminding me. It was you who were making laughing emojis when I told before Iran-Israel war that Iran has good BM capability but it simply cannot have an advance air defense. I told that obviously Israel will easily penetrate into Iranian airspace because Iran's home made air defense lacks any sophistication at all. But you were laughing. During the war, the world was laughing at you @Mr Iran Eye for your ignorance ; ).

It's common sense why Iran cannot build a complex air defense. There's no technical foundation / infrastructure for most complex electronics, sophisticated sensors etc. Firing a missile at enemy is 100 times easier then stopping an incoming missile. Iranian airspace will remain practiically open for any missile or any aircraft until Iran procures modern air defense from Russia or China at a large scale. IR is smart in building lots of BMs, It should just focus on that. For air-defense missiles, fighter aircrafts etc just procure from countries who have tons of expertise and proven products. You simply cannot do that in-house.

I actually was defending Iran in other threads where people consider Iran only as at Hamas / Militia level. I was telling them that Iran has very capable BM capability. They weren't liking my comments much. Here Iranians also do not like to learn facts and admit their extreme weaknesses which were grossly violated recently by Israel. That's the problem when you are factual. Nobody likes you. But I really don't care. I will always say what is right. I don't take sides. I only stick to facts.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Time to prepare for Azergayjan split-up....

That's most hilarious comment ever. Do Iran really needs more enemies at the moment? Turkey and Pakistan will support Azerbaijan till the end if it comes to their survival. Turkey-Pakistan-Azerbaijan have serious defense ties. All three airforces do joint exercises. Pakistan buys Turkish drones and other equipment, Turks bought PaK trainer aircrafts, Azeris bought Jf-17s latest blocks and some other equipment. They have strategic partnerships.

Why can't Iran keep focused on the only country which dares to attack it. who kills your scientists and leaders with impunity. Why you are looking for more enemies?

 

[vmro]

That's most hilarious comment ever. Do Iran really needs more enemies at the moment? Turkey and Pakistan will support Azerbaijan till the end if it comes to their survival. Turkey-Pakistan-Azerbaijan have serious defense ties. All three airforces do joint exercises. Pakistan buys Turkish drones and other equipment, Turks bought PaK trainer aircrafts, Azeris bought Jf-17s latest blocks and some other equipment. They have strategic partnerships.

Why can't Iran keep focused on the only country which dares to attack it. who kills your scientists and leaders with impunity. Why you are looking for more enemies?

If that country really has active role in zionistic aggression which means killing Iranians, it is legit for any nation to defend itself... essential corridor for Azeris is impossible without Iran... very unwise for them to get involved in something that Iran will never forget, but it should be confirmed or denied...

While for AD, principally you have right, but power of numbers, having incomparable advantage in population and area size, so Iran has luxury to use offense as defensive force for pressure on his nemesis...and to keep an advantage over the enemy...