Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BigMela2onin]

Haha so there are Iranians who don't admire Germany as "arYaN BroTherS"

That Japan is a U.S. subservient shithole. Yes they are subservient to America, but life there is better than Canada. I lived there 3 years prior to going back to Canada. Canada is rapidly going downhill.

Everywhere is, in the US prices have increased a lot, rents are getting higher and salaries remain low. Japan has lots of problems but at least you'll live among civilized people.

 

[FUB]

Very good documentary. the last 15 minutes tells you everything you need to know .It makes you wonder why is the ruling class in doubt .How many times before they get the message?

 

[Khansaheeb]

Houthis achieved one of their most effective strikes against Israel so far today, hitting the passenger hall of Ramon airport with a drone which was undetected by Israel

approx 8 light injuries since the airport was not in significant use and it was only one small drone, but an impressive hit from 2000km+ away

 

[matty12345]

Very good documentary. the last 15 minutes tells you everything you need to know .It makes you wonder why is the ruling class in doubt .How many times before they get the message?

Even after all this, now if the ruling elites in IRI do not wake up and make a nuclear weapon immediately and test it for self preservation - then I would not shed a single drop of tear if they meet the same fate as Hazrat Hussain(pbuh) !!!

Not acting to self preserve and the country in the presence of imminent slaughter - an enemy who is hell bent on utterly destroying you, your children, your culture, history, future...everything, is a blind and deaf not worth living the life itself. Such person/people does not need pity but the inevitablity that will happen to him/them.

Shame what has happened to these people !

 

[FUB]

Even after all this, now if the ruling elites in IRI do not wake up and make a nuclear weapon immediately and test it for self preservation - then I would not shed a single drop of tear if they meet the same fate as Hazrat Hussain(pbuh) !!!

Not acting to self preserve and the country in the presence of imminent slaughter - an enemy who is hell bent on utterly destroying you, your children, your culture, history, future...everything, is a blind and deaf not worth living the life itself. Such person/people does not need pity but the inevitablity that will happen to him/them.

Shame what has happened to these people !

You do not need a degree in political science or global studies to see that Trump is a hardcore zionist and an Israeli First tool. A layperson could see that the Zionists brought him to power to destroy the JCPOA and go to war with Iran. He owes hundreds of millions to banks controlled by these people. He will do as he is told. After everything that has happened, IR elites still think they can negotiate.
If you look at the two administrations of Rohani/.Zarif I and Rohani/.Zarif II, the disaster they brought upon Iran is on par with the Treaty of Turkmenchay. People have forgotten the disastrous Caspian Sea deal, which the same group negotiated. The end is clear; all you need to do is look at Gaza, Libya, Syria, or Russia. There are only two choices:
Russian way-You go to war
Libya Model-SL ends with the same fate as Gaddafi.
There is nothing else.
Palavi was smart in the sense that he went around the enrichment issue to buy time.

 

[Sipahsalar]

Houthis achieved one of their most effective strikes against Israel so far today, hitting the passenger hall of Ramon airport with a drone which was undetected by Israel

approx 8 light injuries since the airport was not in significant use and it was only one small drone, but an impressive hit from 2000km+ away

We can’t take Israel’s word for it, they’ll never tell if they took casualties. A lot of these strikes keep happening on empty sections.

 

[kastor ville]

First off, this is a non-starter, as the jews do not want anyone near them that could challenge them. The chances of switching to the west and getting built up is zero, economic strength is as much as a threat to them as military strength. The jews want the Libya/Syria solution and they control the US which controls europe. Even if that wasn't the case, like I told shapurl, if there is an example of anybody benefiting from becoming a western puppet post-Cold War, please enlighten me, because I am not aware of any such cases, especially if you're not white.

Most of what you said is correct, except the last part....
Here are some countries that have benefited from becoming a vassal of the US
1. All the GCC countries......UAE, SA, Qatar, Bahrain....etc.
2. The Baltic countries such as Estonia Lithuania, Latvia....etc
3. Vietnam, Surinam....and a few others
Of course, I'm going to leave off the big, obvious ones, such as Ukraine, and Poland.

We don't need to become a vassal state....all we need to do is get the sanctions lifted....we don't need their investments or help. We just need to break the shackles Israel has fashioned for us through the US.

 

[kastor ville]

 

[kastor ville]

Egyptian Military speaking about Iran's missiles

 

[Persian Gulf]

perhaps the third enrichment site was in Esfahan

 

[Persian Gulf]

shooting operation in Jerusalem today killed at least 4-5 Israelis and injured another 15 (several of which are in critical condition)

two Palestinian gunmen entered a bus disguised as ticket operators and shot a large number of settlers

panic in Jerusalem:



separately, Hamas ambushed an IDF force in Jabalia today, with initial reports of 4 IDF terrorists being killed in the ambush

 

[BigMela2onin]

Well I'll start by saying that none of the examples you listed "switched sides" after the cold war.

1. All the GCC countries......UAE, SA, Qatar, Bahrain....etc.

These states were literally created by the west, other than an episode of defiance during the oil embargo, they have been firmly in the western camp during their entire existence.

2. The Baltic countries such as Estonia Lithuania, Latvia....etc

First off, these are white europeans so they cannot be compared directly to our situation. This is also more difficult to compare since GDP numbers don't exist prior to the 90s. What we do know is that their populations are declining and expected to continue to decline. Most GDP growth is concentrated in the capitals and outside the main cities they generally remain poor. If you want to recreate the urban-rural divide that factored into the Iranian revolution then it could be a model to follow. Also we will likely see them sacrificed against Russia in the future like Ukraine was.

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3. Vietnam, Surinam....and a few others

Vietnam choose to become a manufacturing hub. When I suggested this for Iran, people said it was like being a slave camp, so I'm not sure which it is. Is Vietnam a slave camp or a success? I don't know much about Suriname but it's a nation of 600k people which never "switched sides," it was a Dutch colony and had a civil war but never was an enemy of the west.

Of course, I'm going to leave off the big, obvious ones, such as Ukraine, and Poland.

I'm not sure why you guys keep listing Ukraine? I don't hear that it's a paradise on earth now. Are you suggesting we wipe out a generation of Iranian men fighting Russia for the US? Poland is a success case that occurred in the context of the Cold war (also white and european), which cannot be replicated in Iran.

We don't need to become a vassal state....all we need to do is get the sanctions lifted....we don't need their investments or help. We just need to break the shackles Israel has fashioned for us through the US.

You guys keep talking about getting sanctions lifted, it's not going to happen. It will literally never happen, no rapprochement can occur with the west at all. There is no desire in the west for it at all as Iran has literally nothing to offer the west. Give up enrichment? Ok now we'll sanction you for proxies. Give up proxies? Ok now we'll sanction you for missiles. Give up missiles? Ok now we can bomb you safely. There is no benefit for the west in removing sanctions.
If Iran surrenders like they want, it will be destroyed as an example for resisting.

 

[ShapurII]

My point is Ukraine "surrendered" and was rewarded with racial annihilation as the generation of reproductive age and working age Ukrainian men were annihilated for nothing in return. Not exactly a model for Iran to try to follow.

And you think Russia is innocent in that? I don't get your comment at all. How did Ukraine surrender?
Ukraine made a choice to stop the Russian interference in their country. People wanted to approach the West for more opportunities. Russia had committed genocide in Ukraine during Stalin. Russia used ethnic Russians to create a civil war in Ukraine. If anything, Ukraine refused to surrender to Russia. It's funny how you're trying to twist facts.

They're not asking, PGCC lazy and degenerate sheiks don't want to lose their life of luxury and debauchery to some bearded headchopper. Groups like ISIS who only target the west's enemies almost certainly are getting direct western support.

The ISIS has targeted Europeans too. Al-Qaeda targeted Americans in 9/11. Radical Islam is a threat to the Western values. Much of the Western support for radical Islam in recent years has been as a counter-balance to Iran's growing power in the region.

I think people overestimate the amount of foreign investment Iran would see if sanctions were removed. There was minimal european investment after JCPOA and I don't think we would see much diaspora investment either.

That's your opinion. It goes against nearly every economic theory though. Sanctions on Iran have caused over 1 trillion USD of damage to our economy. That's 3 times our nominal GDP.

Iran followed "neither east nor west," lack of development of relations with China (who cares about zio Russia) is mostly Iran's fault.

Iran followed an anti-West/anti-Israel approach. Iran has been with the Eastern bloc since late 90s. The only exception is a short period of maybe 3-4 years after the JCPOA where Iran tried to be less dependent on the East. But other than that period, Iran has always been leaning towards Russia and China.

I don't understand what your point is here.

My point is that nearly every country that has tried to use the Eastern bloc as some sort of counter-balance against the West has turned into a failed state. The Eastern bloc will never help you or save you the way that the Westerners have supported their friends in the past.

Yes probably, but that would be the wrong move.

They may claim the same thing about your idea. It's wrong in your opinion, and they think you're wrong.

This is a historical fact, what is the alternative explanation you are providing?

Both Japan and Germany were great global powers before the war. The difference is quite clear. Eastern Germany was a miserable hell that people tried to escape from, while Western Germany was free and prosperous. This is a historical fact. The Eastern bloc weakened their part of Germany and turned it into a failed vassal state. The Western bloc helped Western Germany to prosper. Same thing goes for North Korea and South Korea.

Ask nearly every citizen in Iran and the world: North Kora or South Korea? Which one do you prefer to become? The answer is clear.

Since the Cold War ended, it's not really possible to name a country that turned west and benifitted from it. Armenia lost NK, Syria is still being bombed, South Sudan is the poorest country on Earth, Ukraine was used as cannon fodder. If there is an example I don't know about feel free to tell me about it.

Iraq, for example. People feel much happier under the US control compared to when Saddam ruled over there. So, stop spreading misinformation.

 

[BigMela2onin]

The ISIS has targeted Europeans too. Al-Qaeda targeted Americans in 9/11. Radical Islam is a threat to the Western values. Much of the Western support for radical Islam in recent years has been as a counter-balance to Iran's growing power in the region.

It's an October 7th situation, the US knew it was coming and let is happen as an excuse to push US into a surveillance state. No one in the US cares if they kill europeans, it benefits them to do so. Al-Qaeda played their role perfectly and the US got to invade Iraq and Afghanistan will pushing the government towards executive authoritarianism.

That's your opinion. It goes against nearly every economic theory though. Sanctions on Iran have caused over 1 trillion USD of damage to our economy. That's 3 times our nominal GDP.

Yes sanctions cause damage but removal will not spur investment, we saw it did not with the JCPOA. No one will risk investment when it could disappear any second the US decides to re-institute sanctions on a whim. Investment would require removal of IR and full puppetization of Iran, which is not the goal, the goal is destruction. There will be nothing to invest in when the destruction is finished, we will be poorer than Afghanistan and all the resources will be separated and occupied.

Both Japan and Germany were great global powers before the war. The difference is quite clear. Eastern Germany was a miserable hell that people tried to escape from, while Western Germany was free and prosperous. This is a historical fact. The Eastern bloc weakened their part of Germany and turned it into a failed vassal state. The Western bloc helped Western Germany to prosper. Same thing goes for North Korea and South Korea.

Ask nearly every citizen in Iran and the world: North Kora or South Korea? Which one do you prefer to become? The answer is clear.

The South Korea model isn't being offered, you guys keep saying that we just need sanctions to be removed and the west would help, but it's not even being offered. The argument that this is a choice between east vs. west isn't true, it's a choice between east vs. destruction.

Iraq, for example. People feel much happier under the US control compared to when Saddam ruled over there. So, stop spreading misinformation.

So decade+ insurgency, foreign CI campaign terrorizing your people, federalization (de facto dissolution of Iran), and subsequently foreign militants waging a civil war is what you want for Iran? Then sure Iraq is a model to follow.

 

[Persian Gulf]