Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

Just because Iran showed a prototype it doesn't automatically mean that the Air force will buy it. The IRIAF accessed the Qaher-313 and agreed with YOU that at best it presented the same capabilities as an F-5 if not worst!

You are deflecting once again about why Qatar which is a U.S "strategic partner" armed with real British, French and U.S made 4.5 Gen fighters and air defense missile shield proven to be able to counter medium ranged Ballistic missiles failed to defend Qatar from an Israeli attack. Like I said above you are a waste of time because you just throw around wild accusations like Khamenei is a "Russian asset" or "Qaher-313" or what ever else bull sh!t you pull from your behind and you ignore the reality!

" You are deflecting once again about why Qatar which is a U.S "strategic partner" armed with real British, French and U.S made 4.5 Gen fighters and air defense missile shield proven to be able to counter medium ranged Ballistic missiles failed to defend Qatar from an Israeli attack."

You bring up an excellent point. As of today, it has been three months since the war started. If Iran is so weak, then why are we not seeing repeated air strikes? There is certainly no shortage of aircraft, bombs, or tankers for refueling.

This brings us to the point that many military analysts were saying at the end of the war. Israel took a vicious beating on the counteroffensive, and if the US had not intervened, Iran would have laid to waste most of Israel's strategic and economic assets.

To the ones that say Iran attacked civilian targets, I say the entire shithole is the IDF. I have seen a massive influx of them moving in around me. A lot of them have left, and they will never return. Even with the might of world Jewry behind them, the blackmail, and everything else, their actions were a strategic failure.

I have yet to see any videos or images of IDF manned aircraft ( not drones) in Iranian skies.I have yet to see any concrete proof of any interception videos or anything else.
By their own admission, there were over 300+ strikes that were not intercepted, supposedly because they fell in open fields. Yet still, three months after the war ended, there is heavy censorship.

The missile cities are intact, and so are the production facilities.
No matter how many metal sheds are posted online being supposedly destroyed as missile production facilities, or the BS about the launchers, actions speak louder than words. Logical inference can be made that those statements are at odds with the facts.

 

[FUB]

The IRIAF rejected it because they saw it as useless for their needs. The IRGC wanted to develop it into UCAV platforms.

No Russia never used their S-400 against Israel but those were deployed explicitly for the protection of the Russian forces in Syria. IranianS-300s were linked to Bavar 373 FCRs but unfortunately those were taken out during the Initial phase of the war either By Spike ATGMs or Small loitering drones.

No I haven't read what Golani said.
The Russians are out for themselves like anyone else and I can see why you have your grievances. I have mixed feelings about the sale of Shaheds to Russia, On one hand it as a positive for Iran to support Russia militarily in its fight against NATO. I don't think a victory over Russia would bare any positive fruits for Iran. On the other hand it give NATO and Israel experience to develop better countermeasures against them. According to Israel, Iran fired over 1000 drones against Israel. I don't think Iran was short on the Shaheds. I think they were pacing themselves because no one knew how long the war was going to last. It could also be that they had a hard time deploying them in large numbers do to constant harassment from Israeli Loitering drones.

Personally, I don't see why Ayatollah Khamenei would deliberately want to go from President Raisi who was more inline with Khamenei's foreign Policy thinking to someone like Pezeshkian who is always doing everything counter to what Khamenei says in his speeches.

Khomeini was a lot more hands on in how he ran Iran. Khamenei's approach is to allow the elected governments to run their own affairs with him just making speeches about the directions he wants Iran to go. My thoughts!

Why would it be in Khamenei's interest for Pezeshkian to erode support in the Islamic Republic?

Iran negotiated a solution to the Nuclear issue and kept up its part even when the U.S unilaterally withdrew from the agreement. It was first sanctioned despite this fact and eventually attacked as you have stated. Yet the Iranian public voted for a president who's only solution to the issue is More negotiations despite Iran being attacked in the Middle of the previous negotiations. This is where we are at today and I don't like it either.

I am not an Islamist or a monarchist. There is no doubt, at this juncture, the current government of Iran is the only hope we have of keeping Iran intact.

These geocidal maniacs are the same people who stranded Reza Pahlavi. They are the same ones that started the Iraq-Iran war. Do not forget that. No matter how many times the young Pahlavi gets on his knees and kisses the Zionist ring, they have a mission, and that is to break Iran apart and destroy its deterrent capability.

Let's be real, the original Islamic Republic leaders were not much different than the Taliban. They made one strategic blunder after another. When you have leaders who are not educated and do not understand geopolitics, you end up with the embassy takeover. At that time, the US was the world's manufacturing juggernaut, with military technology that was decades ahead of the Soviets. It is a mistake that we are paying the price for today. Then came all of the other blunders of getting involved in the Lebanese civil war, Ghazzafi, on and on. The list is endless.

It is noble to voice outrage against the Palestinian land theft, but it was not our business to go head-to-head with world Jewry. Once again, a lack of education and ignorance of history led to blunder after blunder. These vicious satanic creatures were fresh from slaughtering 80-100 million Christians in Russia and Eastern Europe, including the killing of 300.000 priests. What did our excellent leaders do? They antagonized satan's children.

Now we're at this juncture. Iran goes to war like Russia, and it will survive. Iran goes the route of Libya, and Khamenei will have the same fate: a bayonet in his rectum.

Iran's biggest enemies are internal. I wish we had a leader who would clean house. If that were to happen, no matter how many sanctions they pass into law, snap back BS, they would be unable to do anything. The collective West has nothing to offer but financial fuckary. Their leaders are hollowing out their own countries and enriching themselves. They have nothing to offer Iran.

They need to wake up in Iran. This is your enemy.

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[BigMela2onin]

Let's be real, the original Islamic Republic leaders were not much different than the Taliban. They made one strategic blunder after another. When you have leaders who are not educated and do not understand geopolitics, you end up with the embassy takeover. At that time, the US was the world's manufacturing juggernaut, with military technology that was decades ahead of the Soviets. It is a mistake that we are paying the price for today. Then came all of the other blunders of getting involved in the Lebanese civil war, Ghazzafi, on and on. The list is endless.

Iran has never been that different than Afghanistan. We got some modernization with Reza Shah, but he basically just copied Ataturk, then ****ed it up by getting close to the Nazis. The revolution was basically a counter-revolution of rural conservative semi-feudal rich who had traditionally held power against the new generation of urban capitalists.
Ironically, I think if we had been colonized, we would not be having these problems today. It is part of the reason we don't have a strong nationalist movement within the country.

 

[FUB]

These people are making the decisions for the country that are detrimental, and they are up against a skilled, ruthless enemy. I am doubtful about their Doctorates or PHD. There is no evidence of Ghalibaf attending these universities. Anyone who has obtained a Juris Doctorate, or a PHD, knows that enormous time and commitment it takes.

Ghalibaf:

Education​

Ghalibaf obtained bachelor in human geography from Tehran University, master in human geography from Islamic Azad University and PhD in political geography from Tarbiat Modares University.

Abbas Araghchi:
We know he is not fluent in English. This university of Kent seems to be a BS institution .
Araghchi earned a Bachelor's degree in International Relations from the School of International Relations, affiliated with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. He then obtained a Master's degree in Political Science from Islamic Azad University, Central Tehran Branch. Additionally, Araghchi holds a Ph.D. in Political Thought from the University of Kent with a thesis entitled 'The evolution of the concept of political participation in twentieth-century Islamic political thought

Hassan Rouhani
He barely speak English. How do you study law abroad when you can not speak English.
Anyone who has studied American Jurisprudence would call it BS. I am calling it BS.

In addition, he studied modern courses, and was admitted to the University of Tehran in 1969, and obtained a BA degree in Judicial Law in 1972. Rouhani continued his studies at Glasgow Caledonian University in Scotland, and graduated in 1995 with an MPhil degree in Law with his thesis entitled The Islamic legislative power with reference to the Iranian experience and a PhD degree in Constitutional Law in 1999 for a thesis titled The Flexibility of Shariah (Islamic Law) with reference to the Iranian experience.

Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Eje'i​

He is a graduate of the Haqqani school in Qom, and one of his teachers was Mesbah Yazdi. He was the Iranian minister of intelligence from 2005 to July 2009,

Ali Larijani​

Larijani is a graduate of Qom seminary. He also holds a Bachelor of Science degree in computer science and mathematics from Aryamehr University of Technology

 

[FUB]

Iran has never been that different than Afghanistan. We got some modernization with Reza Shah, but he basically just copied Ataturk, then ****ed it up by getting close to the Nazis. The revolution was basically a counter-revolution of rural conservative semi-feudal rich who had traditionally held power against the new generation of urban capitalists.
Ironically, I think if we had been colonized, we would not be having these problems today. It is part of the reason we don't have a strong nationalist movement within the country.

I am not going there. You have to be joking. You need to brush up on your history.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Iran Update, September 12, 2025

Iranian officials are using Israel’s September 9 strike in Doha, Qatar, to frame the United States as an unreliable security guarantor for Gulf states in an effort to break the nascent anti-Iran coalition in the region.

understandingwar.org

Members of the Iranian regime are trying to prepare for supreme leader succession by taking steps to secure their influence within the regime after the eventual passing of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. UK-based media outlet “IranWire” reported on September 12 that, according to a senior Iranian diplomat, Iranian Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) Secretary Ali Larijani and former First Vice President Mohammad Mokhber are the regime stalwarts most in contact with Khamenei and are positioning themselves for more influence in the regime in the event of a succession.[17] The report comes after elements within the Iranian regime used Khamenei‘s absence during the Israel-Iran War to attempt to exert more influence over regime policy.[18] The diplomat stated that Larijani is actively engaging with reformists, Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) commanders, and grand ayatollahs to prepare the country diplomatically, economically, and militarily for the transition period.[19] Larijani has been a key figure within the Iranian policy space over the past two decades and supported major initiatives, including the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA, also known as the 2015 nuclear deal).[20] Larijani has taken on a prominent role in shaping Iranian foreign policy as a pragmatic hardliner since the June 2025 Israel-Iran War. The diplomat added that Mokhber is actively trying to undermine Larijani’s efforts by exploiting his “controversial” history with Iran’s media and security apparatus.[21] Mokhber previously served as the head of the Execution of Imam Khomeini’s Order (EIKO)—a parastatal organization directly controlled by Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei—between 2007 and 2021.[22]

This political maneuvering is occurring as Khamenei continues to be absent from important political decisions. The IranWire report stated that senior Iranian officials are growing increasingly concerned about the health of Khamenei following a reduction in communication from his office since the beginning of the Israel-Iran War.[23] The senior Iranian diplomat stated that Khamenei’s office did not brief Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian and Foreign Affairs Minister Abbas Araghchi before this year’s UN General Assembly as it normally does, and that the Foreign Affairs Ministry is operating “almost independently.”[24] Khamenei’s personal absence could be explained by increased security measures, though it is unclear why his office could not communicate with other elements of the Iranian government. Khamenei did not make any public appearances during the Israel-Iran War except for three pre-recorded televised speeches.[25] Khamenei gave 12 speeches in the 80-day period before the Israel-Iran War (March 24-June 12), while he has only given four speeches in the 80-day period after the war (June 24-September 12).[26] Western media reported on June 22 that a group of Iranian businessmen, political and military figures, and relatives of high-ranking clerics had begun planning how to lead Iran without Khamenei.[27]

 

[kastor ville]

Oh, why not? It was a wonderful super-stealth 5th gen. aircraft!


Greece operates PMU-1, not PMU-2. And your logic also applies to Qatari AD. Do you think the IAF is not familiar with Patriot?


That logic applies to the West as well. So, why is it wrong to turn West if Russia is in bed with the Israelis as well? Not to mention that Russia has been dead silent on Israeli genocide in Palestine.
I would say Ireland, Spain and even Poland are more anti-Israel than Russia. And many Israelis are in fact from Poland! In fact, even Netanyahu is from Poland!
The only thing that J-10C and Lavi have in common is some apparent inspirations in design.
The attack on Tehran proves that being an ally with Russia means absolutely nothing because when you need them, they will side with your enemy. I'd rather be an enemy of Russia than her friend.


Give me a break. It was Khamenei that created the Ghalibaf-Jalili tension to facilitate the presidency of Pezeshkian. Khamenei has been doing this for far too long. He always picks a reformist candidate when he wants to negotiate with the West.
And your entire comment is false. Khamenei has the legal power to oust the president any moment he wants. No president in Iran will become president without Khamenei's validation (تنفیذ). All of these things are facts from the IR constitution. Khamenei himself said Pezeshkian was doing a great job. What else do you need him to say to realize that he agrees with all of this nonsense in Iran?

To be honest, I don't care about Khamenei's education. All I care about is that he banned nuclear weapons and dragged us into this situation without an exit plan. We have been under sanctions for nearly 25 years for absolutely no reason. And my other issue with him is that he continues to be pro-Russia even though Russia constantly betrays Iran.

I wonder how much money these corrupt criminals have siphoned out of our military budget for these vaporware projects. How many aircrafts, tanks and missiles have never seen the light of day? We'll never know

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

- Chairman of the Scientific Council of the Israeli 'Weizmann' Institute:

'We are facing a boycott from international institutions and universities that refuse to work and cooperate with us in the scientific and academic fields.

Iran caused tremendous damage to finances, materials, and experimental results that we cannot reproduce. The extent of the destruction at the institute includes 50 laboratories, a significant amount of money and equipment, and students have nothing to do.'

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BOW in the last comments is referring to Bio Organic Weapons. But, as a matter fact, the Israeli Weizmann Institute also conducts nuclear weapons research and other areas in defense.

"Last year, Weizmann struck a deal with the Israeli military contractor Elbit Systems to develop 'groundbreaking bio-inspired materials for defence applications.' "

Weizmann Institute missile strikes hits EU-funded research projects

Missile strikes against Israel’s Weizmann Institute of Science have disrupted several EU-funded research projects, with one scientist estimating around 15 European Research Council-funded projects could be disrupted. The Weizmann was hit earlier this week as Iran retaliated to Israel’s attacks...

sciencebusiness.net

 

[Shafagh]

" You are deflecting once again about why Qatar which is a U.S "strategic partner" armed with real British, French and U.S made 4.5 Gen fighters and air defense missile shield proven to be able to counter medium ranged Ballistic missiles failed to defend Qatar from an Israeli attack."

You bring up an excellent point. As of today, it has been three months since the war started. If Iran is so weak, then why are we not seeing repeated air strikes? There is certainly no shortage of aircraft, bombs, or tankers for refueling.

This brings us to the point that many military analysts were saying at the end of the war. Israel took a vicious beating on the counteroffensive, and if the US had not intervened, Iran would have laid to waste most of Israel's strategic and economic assets.

To the ones that say Iran attacked civilian targets, I say the entire shithole is the IDF. I have seen a massive influx of them moving in around me. A lot of them have left, and they will never return. Even with the might of world Jewry behind them, the blackmail, and everything else, their actions were a strategic failure.

I have yet to see any videos or images of IDF manned aircraft ( not drones) in Iranian skies.I have yet to see any concrete proof of any interception videos or anything else.
By their own admission, there were over 300+ strikes that were not intercepted, supposedly because they fell in open fields. Yet still, three months after the war ended, there is heavy censorship.

The missile cities are intact, and so are the production facilities.
No matter how many metal sheds are posted online being supposedly destroyed as missile production facilities, or the BS about the launchers, actions speak louder than words. Logical inference can be made that those statements are at odds with the facts.

Israeli pilots were hiding in elementary schools throughout the course of the war.

 

[ShapurII]

The IRIAF rejected it because they saw it as useless for their needs. The IRGC wanted to develop it into UCAV platforms.

Or because it was never made and could not be produced in large scale, due to clear aerodynamic flaws.

No Russia never used their S-400 against Israel but those were deployed explicitly for the protection of the Russian forces in Syria. IranianS-300s were linked to Bavar 373 FCRs but unfortunately those were taken out during the Initial phase of the war either By Spike ATGMs or Small loitering drones.

Yes, that's why I separated the issue of Syrian S-300s from S-400s, but even Syrian S-300s were never used against Israel.
You're thinking about the 12-day battle. Israel took out two of our S-300 FCRs in their attack on Tehran after TP2. They weren't hit internally, but most likely from Iraqi airspace.

No I haven't read what Golani said.
The Russians are out for themselves like anyone else and I can see why you have your grievances. I have mixed feelings about the sale of Shaheds to Russia, On one hand it as a positive for Iran to support Russia militarily in its fight against NATO. I don't think a victory over Russia would bare any positive fruits for Iran. On the other hand it give NATO and Israel experience to develop better countermeasures against them. According to Israel, Iran fired over 1000 drones against Israel. I don't think Iran was short on the Shaheds. I think they were pacing themselves because no one knew how long the war was going to last. It could also be that they had a hard time deploying them in large numbers do to constant harassment from Israeli Loitering drones.

He has said that when they approached Homs, they knew there would be no resistance from Syrian Armed Forces and the Russians because they had reached a deal with Russia. So, Russia literally stabbed Iran in the back again.
Whatever you are saying to justify Russia's constant betrayal, can also be said verbatim for the Western powers. So, again, what's the difference? Why is one side allowed to pursue their own interests at our expense why you feel offended when the other side, namely the US or Europe, does that?

We fired 1,000 drones in a span of 12 days. Russia have fired 700 Shahed drones at Ukraine in a single day! They're producing +500 Shahed drones per day now, and without our license. So, they literally stole it from us. See the difference in numbers? Imagine Iran had fired 12,000 Shahed drones at Israel!

Personally, I don't see why Ayatollah Khamenei would deliberately want to go from President Raisi who was more inline with Khamenei's foreign Policy thinking to someone like Pezeshkian who is always doing everything counter to what Khamenei says in his speeches.

Raeesi was assassinated by Israel in my opinion. It wasn't Khamenei that got rid of him, it was Israel that did that. Khamenei probably soiled his pants when he realized Israelis were now targeting our highest authorities and decided to choose a West-appeasing president that tones down on the anti-West/anti-Israel agenda. Also, Mahsa Amini protests played a huge role in the nomination of Pezeshkian.

Khomeini was a lot more hands on in how he ran Iran. Khamenei's approach is to allow the elected governments to run their own affairs with him just making speeches about the directions he wants Iran to go. My thoughts!

Khomeini was a true leader that fought against an 8-year war imposed on us by an Iraqi psychopath. Khamenei is just a person that has always had help in running the country for him. Rafsanjani, Ahmadinejad, Soleimani, Raeesi, only to name a few. Iran stopped being a regional power the moment Soleimani was assassinated by Trump and Khamenei chickened out.

Why would it be in Khamenei's interest for Pezeshkian to erode support in the Islamic Republic?

He just doesn't care anymore. He's 86 years old. How long will he stay alive? He may die tomorrow of natural causes. He'd rather die peacefully in his bed than fight back and he thinks he could do that even with zero support from the people.
Even the hardcore pro-IR people are dissatisfied with the situation. Iran is giving concession after concession to the West and is getting bombed at the same time too.

Iran negotiated a solution to the Nuclear issue and kept up its part even when the U.S unilaterally withdrew from the agreement. It was first sanctioned despite this fact and eventually attacked as you have stated. Yet the Iranian public voted for a president who's only solution to the issue is More negotiations despite Iran being attacked in the Middle of the previous negotiations. This is where we are at today and I don't like it either.

And you're somehow proud of that?
Iranians never vote for a president. The game is rigged from top to bottom. As I said, Ghalibaf could easily become the president, but Khamenei had to use his influence to sideline Ghalibaf by supporting Jalili for Pezeshkian to win the election.
Have you ever wondered why none of the Iranian presidents have been able to run for a third term? The Guardian Council always blocks it. Why was Larijani disapproved by the Guardian Council if he is fit for being the Secretary of the National Security Council now? How do you justify that? If this is not election manipulation, then what is it?
Khamenei manipulates the election every year through the Guardian Council and nobody ever says why only some candidates are allowed to run, while others with high political positions are disapproved for no reason.

Iran has never been that different than Afghanistan. We got some modernization with Reza Shah, but he basically just copied Ataturk, then ****ed it up by getting close to the Nazis. The revolution was basically a counter-revolution of rural conservative semi-feudal rich who had traditionally held power against the new generation of urban capitalists.
Ironically, I think if we had been colonized, we would not be having these problems today. It is part of the reason we don't have a strong nationalist movement within the country.

Iran did have a strong nationalist movement. The Ayatollahs destroyed it and tried to replace it with Islamic identity.

I wonder how much money these corrupt criminals have siphoned out of our military budget for these vaporware projects. How many aircrafts, tanks and missiles have never seen the light of day? We'll never know

I do have a ball park but only time will tell. Other than our missiles and some of our drones, nearly everything else that Iran has boasted about has been proven to be fake or extremely ineffective. Nearly everything Artesh has done has been for propaganda purposes. What else can you expect from Artesh when they have had extremely low budgets for decades?

 

[kastor ville]

These people are making the decisions for the country that are detrimental, and they are up against a skilled, ruthless enemy. I am doubtful about their Doctorates or PHD. There is no evidence of Ghalibaf attending these universities. Anyone who has obtained a Juris Doctorate, or a PHD, knows that enormous time and commitment it takes.

Ghalibaf:

Education​

Ghalibaf obtained bachelor in human geography from Tehran University, master in human geography from Islamic Azad University and PhD in political geography from Tarbiat Modares University.

Abbas Araghchi:
We know he is not fluent in English. This university of Kent seems to be a BS institution .
Araghchi earned a Bachelor's degree in International Relations from the School of International Relations, affiliated with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. He then obtained a Master's degree in Political Science from Islamic Azad University, Central Tehran Branch. Additionally, Araghchi holds a Ph.D. in Political Thought from the University of Kent with a thesis entitled 'The evolution of the concept of political participation in twentieth-century Islamic political thought

Hassan Rouhani
He barely speak English. How do you study law abroad when you can not speak English.
Anyone who has studied American Jurisprudence would call it BS. I am calling it BS.

In addition, he studied modern courses, and was admitted to the University of Tehran in 1969, and obtained a BA degree in Judicial Law in 1972. Rouhani continued his studies at Glasgow Caledonian University in Scotland, and graduated in 1995 with an MPhil degree in Law with his thesis entitled The Islamic legislative power with reference to the Iranian experience and a PhD degree in Constitutional Law in 1999 for a thesis titled The Flexibility of Shariah (Islamic Law) with reference to the Iranian experience.

Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Eje'i​

He is a graduate of the Haqqani school in Qom, and one of his teachers was Mesbah Yazdi. He was the Iranian minister of intelligence from 2005 to July 2009,

Ali Larijani​

Larijani is a graduate of Qom seminary. He also holds a Bachelor of Science degree in computer science and mathematics from Aryamehr University of Technology

Call me crazy, but I think you're wrong about some of these people's education...when Rhouhani became president there was a lot of talk in the US about his education, they went to Scotland to look up records of his attendance, well, they found it. So, take that for what it's worth

 

[ShapurII]

Call me crazy, but I think you're wrong about some of these people's education...when Rhouhani became president there was a lot of talk in the US about his education, they went to Scotland to look up records of his attendance, well, they found it. So, take that for what it's worth

Yes, but his PhD dissertation turned out to be plagiarized and he can barely speak a word of English. And it's impossible for a person to complete a PhD in Law without being proficient in English. Law has the highest required English test score in most universities, usually it's IETLS 8 or higher in the US. I doubt Rohani would be able to get even a B1 in English in any standard English test, let alone a C2.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Iran did have a strong nationalist movement. The Ayatollahs destroyed it and tried to replace it with Islamic identity.

Qajar Iran and rural Iran under the Pahlavis were not much different than Afghanistan or the Taliban, most people were religious, conservative, and backwards. These mullahs did not come from space.
Modern middle-class Iranian youth are pro-western because they get the hollywood view of the west through the internet and western social media; their main priority is access to and being able to buy an iphone and expensive western brands, they are not nationalists.
Iranian nationalism was destroyed with Mossadegh's overthrow and remained a fringe movement during the Pahlavis centered around the military, which has been totally dismantled by IR.
This is why I say not being colonized has ultimately become a negative, but with Araghchi signing the articles of Iranian dissolution in Cairo, the only benefit of the pseudo-colonization we will go through imminently is that it may give rise to a serious nationalist movement, but this movement will likely die under jew bombs.

 

[PakAl]

Yeah, because the IRIAF never built any Qaher-313 even though it was unveiled in 2011 and was times and times again claimed to be under production lol Qaher-313 was undoubtedly the biggest joke of the decade in aerospace engineering and a serious contender for being the joke of the century.

Where are Iran's Sukhoi-35s? At least Qatar has received those jet fighters.
Not to mention that our S-300 didn't last even 24 hours.
Even before the 12-day war, Israel successfully hit 2 of our S-300 FCRs in their retaliatory response to TP2.

No nation can stop a foreign attack on their soil, even Russia cannot deal with Ukraine attacks, same with how Pakistan India Qatar Iran cannot. What matters is what comes afterwards, these Israeli planes must be chased out of Iranian/Qatari skies and the airforce must imposed no fly zone, including in neighbouring nations whose airspace Israel used.

To be frank, Iran is in big trouble, they have been exposed to not possess any defensive capabilities and Israel can easily bomb them for another 2 weeks, no doubt Iran will fire back missiles but Israel will target all missiles factories, launchers and imagine after 1 month Iran is unable to fire anything back. It's game over then. All this Su30s, Su35s, Iranian own airforce is propaganda, the western world will not allow it, its a redline for them.

Regarding Qatar they will seek Turkish help and Turkey will protect their airspace. Turkey already has a few 1000s troops in Qatar to protect them from foreign invasions, they just need a full military base.

 

[PakAl]

Stop twisting you low IQ Khamenei cultist. You laughed at me mentioning 500 Billion USD of Iranian nation lost fighting for arabs and thousands of Iranians dead due to IRI getting involved in Israel-Arab conflict. Stop hiding, you are a Shameless IRI Cultist, keep laughing at ruined economy, deterence gone, national honour gone, hundreds of billions wasted for "Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen", keep laughing at shreds of Iranian civilians bobmed to pieces. But then again your leader himself said that Iran is not important in middle of war so what can be expected from his low IQ cult followers. Keep laughing at 25 years of sanctions, isolation, gift from Khamenei to Iranian nation.

Not sure which Iranian member it was, I think it was you who mentioned that the regime survives on anti Usa and Israeli slogans, this is why they continue all this. In Pakistan and other Muslim states, even the west, the so called Islamist operate the same way, speak against the devil Usa and win symphathis and support, they do this to survive or else people will leave them. I am guessing Iran is the same.

What Iran needs is for the military to look at the real situation of the world, understand what is happening, how their whole nation can be destroyed if you don't be careful in what you say and do, for example why say death to Usa and Israel officially when you are not even able to depend yourself, alot of Pakistani islamist encourage Pakistan army to fight in Palestine but they themselves will never go, also they have no clue on the money needed for wars, why Arabs are not defending Palestine, sanctions and the rest. The islamist leadership knows this but this is how they do politics, the same way secular always talk about helping the poor enough though they loot them.

After this 12 days war, i strongly believe Iran need reforms in the military, they must create a professional Iranian nationalist airforce, people who don't follow slogans but facts, the same with the military and agencies. Iran got sabotage by Mossad, absolutely shocking, they used Iranian territory and used drones against Iran from Iran.