Iran killed any delusions of US military domination over China

[大汉奸柳传志]

Oh where to start.....There's no comparison to the purge Xi did and force retiring and firing that Trump and Obama did. The very high-ranking officers in PLA are nothing but CCP members who got their position by who they know and who they bribe. Xi is replacing those Generals with his own which also happen to be CCP members.Now here in US the officers that will replace these officers that were fired and force to retire all have exceptional credentials like the ones they are replacing. The quality doesn't go down or suffer because all officers (Generals and Admirals) go through the same rigorous training at USAFA, Westpoint and Naval War College. US has a conveyor belt of well qualified officers. Majority of our high-ranking officers have combat experience and have been put through the fire unlike PLA officers.Now add lack of Joint warfighting capability for PLA and facing thee Premier military of the world and you start to see that PLA is not going to fare well in a kinetic conflict where the US will dominate the EM realm and battle space picture. That's not to say PLA won't get their hits on US it just won't make a difference on the outcome. US always fights with gloves on or one hand tide always restricting themselves if the US ever takes their gloves off in a war..... it's gonna be ugly. Is this person’s view on the quality of officers after China’s military replacement accurate?
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chatgpt answer ：
Short answer: this view is overconfident and outdated in several key areas, but it’s not entirely baseless either. It mixes some real structural differences with exaggerations and assumptions that don’t hold up well today.

Let’s break it down carefully.

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1) “Xi purged competent officers and replaced them with loyalists”​

There is a real event behind this claim:
Xi Jinping has carried out large-scale anti-corruption campaigns in the PLA.

• High-profile cases (e.g. senior generals removed for corruption) are real.
• Loyalty to the Party has always been central to PLA promotion—this is not new.

But the conclusion is oversimplified:

• The PLA historically had serious corruption problems (promotion-for-sale, patronage networks).
• Many analysts (including Western ones) argue the purge was partly about improving professionalism and control, not just replacing people with “yes-men.”
• Promotions today tend to favor:
  • operational experience (especially in theater commands)
  • education (joint academies, technical background)
  • political reliability (still required)

So yes, political loyalty matters more than in the US, but it does not automatically mean low competence.

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2) “US officers are uniformly high-quality due to institutions”​

This is partly true, but idealized.

The US system (United States Military Academy, United States Naval War College, etc.) does create:

• standardized training pipelines
• professional military education (PME)
• a large pool of experienced officers

But there are caveats:

• Not all generals come from those academies (many are ROTC or OCS).
• Promotion also involves bureaucratic politics, networking, and career timing.
• Combat experience:
  • Many senior officers have experience in Iraq/Afghanistan
  • But those wars were counterinsurgency, not high-end peer warfare

So the US has institutional depth, but the idea of a perfectly meritocratic “conveyor belt” is somewhat romanticized.

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3) “PLA officers lack combat experience”​

This is basically true—but misleading.

• The PLA has not fought a major war since the Sino-Vietnamese War.
• US officers have more recent combat exposure.

However:

• Modern war (especially against a peer) is very different from Iraq/Afghanistan.
• The PLA has spent ~20 years focusing on:
  • large-scale exercises
  • realistic training reforms
  • joint operations simulations

So:

• PLA lacks real combat experience
• But US experience is not directly transferable to a China-type war

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4) “PLA lacks joint warfighting capability”​

This is outdated by about 10–15 years.

A major reform in 2015–2016 reorganized the PLA into:

• Theater Commands (joint structures)
• Stronger integration of:
  • Rocket Force
  • Air Force
  • Navy
  • Strategic Support Force (cyber, space, EW)

The goal: US-style joint operations

Are they as good as the US?

• Probably not yet at US level
• But they are no longer “lacking” joint capability

A better description:
“Still maturing, but rapidly improving.”

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5) “US dominates EM spectrum and battlespace awareness”​

This is the most questionable claim.

The US is very strong in:

• ISR (intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance)
• electronic warfare
• satellite networks

But China has invested heavily in:

• anti-satellite systems
• electronic warfare
• long-range sensors
• integrated air defense

In a Taiwan or Western Pacific scenario:

• The US would not have uncontested dominance
• Both sides would face degraded communications and sensing

The idea of clear US “information dominance” is no longer widely accepted.

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6) “If the US takes the gloves off, it will be one-sided”​

This is more rhetoric than analysis.

Key realities:

• China is a near-peer military, not Iraq or Serbia
• Geography favors China in a regional conflict (near its coast)
• Both sides have:
  • precision strike capabilities
  • long-range missiles
  • cyber warfare tools

Any conflict would likely be:

• highly contested
• costly for both sides
• uncertain in outcome

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Bottom line​

The person’s view is:

Partially correct on:​

• PLA political control and purges
• US institutional strength
• PLA lack of real combat experience

But wrong or outdated on:​

• PLA officer incompetence
• lack of joint capability
• US guaranteed dominance (especially in EM domain)
• assumption of easy US victory

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Final assessment​

This is a typical “confidence bias” argument:

• It assumes:
  • US strengths are absolute
  • Chinese weaknesses are permanent
• It underestimates:
  • reforms under Xi Jinping
  • technological parity trends
  • the difficulty of peer warfare

A more realistic view:

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If you want, I can go deeper into a specific scenario (e.g., Taiwan conflict) and compare officer quality and decision-making under real operational pressure—that’s where the differences actually become clearer.

no one really knows why Xi keeps promoting these generals and keeps sacking them.
could be corruption, could be incompetence, or maybe they are too big war hawks that are hard to be kept on a tight leash, since Xi is known to be soft and wants to play it safe

 

[ety]

no one really knows why Xi keeps promoting these generals and keeps sacking them.
could be corruption, could be incompetence, or maybe they are too big war hawks that are hard to be kept on a tight leash, since Xi is known to be soft and wants to play it safe

All recent Chinese leaders are somewhat soft, from Zhao Ziyang, Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao to Xi Jinping, he might be little bit tougher but no comparison to generals.

 

[Aziqbal]

Israel tried to cause chaos to collapse the Iranian government and destabilise Turkey and wider Middle East

Turkey for now survived and seems like Iran has too

Israel is actively moving against Turkey and Turkey knows it, which is why Turkey has moved closer to Pakistan

Saudi Arabia no longer has control of the GCC and they know they are next too
so Saudi Arabia wanted a defence pact with Pakistan

Iran knows its survival depends on regional alliances which is why they have asked Pakistan to help in the ceasefire talks

between 2020-2024 Israel has exported over $20.5 billion of weapons to India , becoming Indias largest supplier after Russia

so what's going on ? Pakistan is now at the centre of this new Great Game, its got over 300 Nuclear warheads and Military satellites that can see and hear what no on else can not even Turkey a long standing NATO member

in 2025-2026 Pakistan has accelerated its military expansion to levels never seen in modern times getting weapons platforms that it has never had far surpassing India
all of this will result in a head on clash at some and time in the future

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

All recent Chinese leaders are somewhat soft, from Zhao Ziyang, Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao to Xi Jinping, he might be little bit tougher but no comparison to generals.

Jiang is not soft, he can be bold, and pragmatic when needed, exactly the type of leader Xi should look up to

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

one thing that has been widely discussed on Chinese socials but not here, regarding the performance of the US military, is that one whopping Aircraft Carrier deserted form deployment.

I remember that was early March?

while desertion is not a commendable act it's understandable that some sailors just really really dont want to fight Israel or Trump's wars. in the end humans are not machines, while soldiers are not trained to ask questions they do have their own opinions and sometimes they express them, with arson

it's also a sign that liberalism and DEI culture is taking root in the military and becoming dominant at the base level, doubtful that a MAGA overhaul at the top ranks would change or reverse the trend

 

[ety]

Jiang is not soft, he can be bold, and pragmatic when needed, exactly the type of leader Xi should look up to

He is soft on border deal with Russia and NATO bombing of Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia incident, some say pragmatic, some are not happy how he dealt. Under his tenure, there were rampant corruptions but he successfully steered China through very difficult and tough times both domestically and internationally. He had a great capable premier Zhu Rongji to help him esp to reform the economy.

 

[F-22Raptor]

doesnt change the fact this is the biggest military defeat since Vietnam

- The US military has defeated the Iranians, decisively so, as I laid out in multiple posts here. This was the most dominant US military performance since Desert Storm
- 80% of the Iranian nuclear industrial base is destroyed and the HEU is buried at Isfahan
- The US now controls the Strait of Hormuz, the global energy market, and the most important strategic waterways in the world. US oil exports at record highs, the Venezuelan oil industry capture has turned into a glorious strategic W, and defense partnerships with Morocco and Indonesia have all cemented this.

 

[F-22Raptor]

one thing that has been widely discussed on Chinese socials but not here, regarding the performance of the US military, is that one whopping Aircraft Carrier deserted form deployment.

I remember that was early March?

while desertion is not a commendable act it's understandable that some sailors just really really dont want to fight Israel or Trump's wars. in the end humans are not machines, while soldiers are not trained to ask questions they do have their own opinions and sometimes they express them, with arson

it's also a sign that liberalism and DEI culture is taking root in the military and becoming dominant at the base level, doubtful that a MAGA overhaul at the top ranks would change or reverse the trend

No US aircraft carrier deserted from deployment. Stop spreading false information

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

He is soft on border deal with Russia and NATO bombing of Chinese embassy in Yugoslavia incident, some say pragmatic, some are not happy how he dealt. Under his tenure, there were rampant corruptions but he successfully steered China through very difficult and tough times both domestically and internationally. He had a great capable premier Zhu Rongji to help him esp to reform the economy.

but border deal with Russia was one of his major achievements tho, imagine today we have an unfriendly neighbor to the north due to unresolved border issues, like another India

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

- The US military has defeated the Iranians, decisively so, as I laid out in multiple posts here. This was the most dominant US military performance since Desert Storm
- 80% of the Iranian nuclear industrial base is destroyed and the HEU is buried at Isfahan
- The US now controls the Strait of Hormuz, the global energy market, and the most important strategic waterways in the world. US oil exports at record highs, the Venezuelan oil industry capture has turned into a glorious strategic W, and defense partnerships with Morocco and Indonesia have all cemented this.

no one cares about the performance when you failed to achieve any strategic goals

just like Vietnam, you won almost every battle yet lost the war because you were there to overthrow the Vietcongs, or maybe you want to twist that fact too?

same goes for Iran, the ultimate goal is long lasting security for Israel therefor regime change is the one and only mission objective, period.

No US aircraft carrier deserted from deployment. Stop spreading false information

I know it's hard to grasp, a deserted AC is truly unheard of.

no doubt there will be an internal investigation, but it's unlikely we will be told the result

As of now, deliberate arson is the most common speculation.

 

[Neojinnah]

I'm not the triggered one..you are. I'm just stating the facts without apparently the requisite rant.

I'm not triggered. You're just an obnoxious and delusional fanboy who needs to understand in a post Gaza genocide world, no one wants people like you wagging your finger about American moral superiority. It's over. Sit down. You can't even acknowledge the basic facts surrounding the massacre of Palestinians and Lebanese going on right now.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

one thing that has been widely discussed on Chinese socials but not here, regarding the performance of the US military, is that one whopping Aircraft Carrier deserted form deployment.

You mean the same carrier that took part in the Maduro capture on January 3rd and that has been continuously at sea for over a year while Chinese carriers I believe set a new endurance record of a whole 58 days.

This just shows the ignorance of Chinese netizens to the role of Navy aircraft carriers. They are never positioned close to shore as they can be easily subjected to attacks by Air Force craft/weapons. The Chinese Navy has probably not perfected adequate aerial inflight refueling capabilities so the typical Chinese netizen thinks the US Naval aircraft have put themselves out of strike range if they are not close to shore. This is false. Even Carrier aircraft in the Mediterranean Sea were striking Iran.

Did Iran manage to attack any US carrier with their Air Force? No. <- that's right!
Did carrier aircraft attack Iran 24/7. Yes. <- that's right!
Did any missiles come close to hitting the carriers? No.
Did carrier aircraft attack missile bases/launchers? Yes.

 

[F-22Raptor]

no one cares about the performance when you failed to achieve any strategic goals

just like Vietnam, you won almost every battle yet lost the war because you were there to overthrow the Vietcongs, or maybe you want to twist that fact too?

same goes for Iran, the ultimate goal is long lasting security for Israel therefor regime change is the one and only mission objective, period.



I know it's hard to grasp, a deserted AC is truly unheard of.

no doubt there will be an internal investigation, but it's unlikely we will be told the result

As of now, deliberate arson is the most common speculation.

-Regime change was never the objective. The US military was never tasked to overthrow the regime. President Trump made it clear on the opening day of the war any regime change was reliant on the Iranian people.

-Priority objectives were military and to destroy Irans ability to produce a nuclear weapon. Military objectives have been met, Irans nuclear base is 80% destroyed and HEU buried at Isfahan. Nuclear enrichment and HEU extraction are still unresolved.

- The Ford never deserted. It made a port stop in Greece for 5 days to resupply, then it redeployed again.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

- The US military has defeated the Iranians, decisively so, as I laid out in multiple posts here. This was the most dominant US military performance since Desert Storm
- 80% of the Iranian nuclear industrial base is destroyed and the HEU is buried at Isfahan
- The US now controls the Strait of Hormuz, the global energy market, and the most important strategic waterways in the world. US oil exports at record highs, the Venezuelan oil industry capture has turned into a glorious strategic W, and defense partnerships with Morocco and Indonesia have all cemented this.

According to the declassified CIA document "Project Artichoke Special Study," the project was carried out from 1951 to 1956. It was a study on behavior control, interrogation techniques, and psychological manipulation, attempting to create a "truth serum" or produce long-term psychological effects.


Two hours ago, the White House posted a one-hour video on social media platform X, repeatedly showing scenes of U.S. President Trump saying "I won." The White House also captioned the post: "President Trump saying 'I won' for a full hour! Can't stop, won't stop."


Based on your and Trump's behavior, this plan is still ongoing.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

This just shows the ignorance of Chinese netizens to the role of Navy aircraft carriers. They are never positioned close to shore as they can be easily subjected to attacks by Air Force craft/weapons.

Did Iran manage to attack any US carrier with their Air Force? No. <- that's right!
Did carrier aircraft attack Iran 24/7. Yes. <- that's right!
Did any missiles come close to hitting the carriers? No.
Did carrier aircraft attack missile bases/launchers? Yes.

see post 220, was talking about the fire incident, and before that, a severe toilet clogging incident which is also speculated to be deliberate, shits were literally floating around.

those sailors on Ford were working over time, eating worse than farm animals, their deployment wwas over extended, sent to Red Sea straight from months of Venezuela mission, low morale is natural

beside that, people not wanting to fight Trump's wars shouldn't be a surprise either, even Mark Milley once implied he won't take every order from Trump