Iranian Chill Thread
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I find it highly unlikely Zionia will open a new front north. Zionia's in terribly dire straits. Zionia is also a direct obstacle to US's China and South Pacific strategy. Yahoo's also in a terrible bind.
Immortals
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Looks like Biden is now forced to attack some Iranian assets directly to save face.
Possible strikes in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and even IRGC naval assets in Red Sea and beyond.
Gonna be interesting next couple weeks
Possible strikes in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and even IRGC naval assets in Red Sea and beyond.
Gonna be interesting next couple weeks
Tehrani021
Registered Member
And that ought to be what Iran should consider an escalation and would be madness if they didn't respond.
Immortals
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They killed the second most powerful man in Iran (Solemani) and the top of the IRGC chain of command.
All Iran did was reluctantly fire missiles at unprotected missile base and let Iraq know ahead of time. Wouldn’t be surprised if they overtly showed their hand via sat recon and open (unencrypted) military communication channels so the Americans get pick it all up and prepare.
The reality is if US sinks an Iranian “floating base” or strikes a known Iranian facility in Yemen or Syria where IRGC are stationed. iran won’t do much.
Israel has killed 5 higher level (not grunt soldiers) in Syria the past month. The Iranian response has been muted historically.
Conclusion: don’t expect much from Tehran if any IRGC assets get struck abroad.
Tehrani021
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It feels like de ja vu with these over-refuted points you have raised here. Soleimani was head of Quds Force, not the head of IRGC, and you seem to forget conveniently that Soleimani was responsible for the death of many US soldiers which caused such a late reaction from US. What is your evidence it was "reluctant"? Where you there in the control room when they were planning to hit the US bases? The fact is 150 US servicemen and women got their brains fried as a result and showed Trump that Iran didn't fear his rhetoric.
If IRGC personnel get killed as collatoral damage in a strike on Islamic Resistance of Iraq, then I agree there may not be a response. But a direct hit on IRGC naval bases, which is what you said and completely different to an attack on Islamic Resistance of Iraq, then that would be seen as a direct attack on Iran.
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Hack-Hook
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according to Quran Iran needed nukes 30 years ago
Tehrani021
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Which Quranic verse would that be?
Hack-Hook
INT'L MOD
how many time i must say he was not top of the IRGC chain of command
Immortals
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Solemani was much more than that. He had key relationships with high ranking Kurdish, Arab, and Lebanese power players. He played a multi facet role as power broker and diplomat balancing relations. The head of IRGC did not have close to the amount of power that Solemani had within the IRGC and decision making apparatus. No one after him might ever get it either.
What the US did was a illegal strike during peace time on foreign soil of one military official acting on a diplomatic invitation of the host country (Iraq).
Please don’t feed bullshit about Solemani and his role in US deaths 15 years ago. That was US propaganda trying to cover up the fact the strike was highly illegal and against international law.
The US has covertly armed tens if not hundreds of groups since its creation. Last I checked US generals aren’t getting picked off while traveling for that. It was a bogus excuse that Solemani was “planning” threats against US soldiers at the time. Even US/Pentagon officials later admitted that Iran is also planning and there is always chatter. Rarely does anything come of it. So bogus intelligence by the same group that said Iraq was filled with WMDS. An excuse only US could pull off both times, if Iran did something similar they would be dragged in front of UN Security Council or referred to the Hauge.
Let’s not forget that night that they also tried to assassinate head to Quds force in Yemen but failed. So the Solemani and US death excuse went right out of the window.
Same reason why Pakistan was reluctant to strike inside Iran this month. They were “forced” to in order to save face because Iran attack their soil. I doubt Pakistan wanted to do it, but it was important to show India that it would respond to any provocation.
Iran was also forced to act because not doing so would have been 10x worse. Thus they picked a target that allowed them to save face while not starting a war.
Al-Assad was not a US base. It was an Iraqi base that was housing both US troops and Iraqi troops in their fight against ISIS. US base means that it’s sovereign US territory and they have a contract with Iraq that says how many years that base belongs as US soil. Al-Assad still to this day is under Iraqi control unlike other US bases (Syria, Turkey, Bahrain, etc).
“Brains fried” is an over exaggeration. TBI is an severe concussion also known as shell shock back in the day. Most of the troops returned back to service within a very short period of time.
I don’t think it was a fair exchange at all. iran lost one of its most intelligent and charismatic generals while US soldiers took a few boo boos on their head that NFL players suffer every season.
Not to mention that night we accidentally shot down our jet airliner. We suffered a lot more casualties during that exchange than the US did.
Israel has already attacked IRGC floating bases in Red Sea before using a drone among other naval targets in this shadow war.
If US attacks Iranian soil, then Iran will have to respond. Much like Pakistan had to respond.
If US attacks Iranian assets in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, then it becomes a toss up. Why would Iran attack US directly for a crime that it allows Israel to do on a monthly basis? Does that make sense to you?
That is the source of uncertainty on why I don’t expect a dramatic response.
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Hack-Hook
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For Gods sake at least read the Book one time
وَأَعِدُّواْ لَهُم مَّا اسْتَطَعْتُم مِّن قُوَّةٍ وَمِن رِّبَاطِ الْخَيْلِ تُرْهِبُونَ بِهِ عَدْوَّ اللّهِ وَعَدُوَّكُمْ وَآخَرِينَ مِن دُونِهِمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَهُمُ اللّهُ يَعْلَمُهُمْ وَمَا تُنفِقُواْ مِن شَيْءٍ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ يُوَفَّ إِلَيْكُمْ وَأَنتُمْ لاَ تُظْلَمُونَ ﴿60﴾
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ خُذُواْ حِذْرَكُمْ فَانفِرُواْ ثُبَاتٍ أَوِ انفِرُواْ جَمِيعًا ﴿71﴾
وَإِذَا كُنتَ فِيهِمْ فَأَقَمْتَ لَهُمُ الصَّلاَةَ فَلْتَقُمْ طَآئِفَةٌ مِّنْهُم مَّعَكَ وَلْيَأْخُذُواْ أَسْلِحَتَهُمْ فَإِذَا سَجَدُواْ فَلْيَكُونُواْ مِن وَرَآئِكُمْ وَلْتَأْتِ طَآئِفَةٌ أُخْرَى لَمْ يُصَلُّواْ فَلْيُصَلُّواْ مَعَكَ وَلْيَأْخُذُواْ حِذْرَهُمْ وَأَسْلِحَتَهُمْ وَدَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ لَوْ تَغْفُلُونَ عَنْ أَسْلِحَتِكُمْ وَأَمْتِعَتِكُمْ فَيَمِيلُونَ عَلَيْكُم مَّيْلَةً وَاحِدَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ إِن كَانَ بِكُمْ أَذًى مِّن مَّطَرٍ أَوْ كُنتُم مَّرْضَى أَن تَضَعُواْ أَسْلِحَتَكُمْ وَخُذُواْ حِذْرَكُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ أَعَدَّ لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَذَابًا مُّهِينًا ﴿102﴾
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ خُذُواْ حِذْرَكُمْ فَانفِرُواْ ثُبَاتٍ أَوِ انفِرُواْ جَمِيعًا ﴿71﴾
وَإِذَا كُنتَ فِيهِمْ فَأَقَمْتَ لَهُمُ الصَّلاَةَ فَلْتَقُمْ طَآئِفَةٌ مِّنْهُم مَّعَكَ وَلْيَأْخُذُواْ أَسْلِحَتَهُمْ فَإِذَا سَجَدُواْ فَلْيَكُونُواْ مِن وَرَآئِكُمْ وَلْتَأْتِ طَآئِفَةٌ أُخْرَى لَمْ يُصَلُّواْ فَلْيُصَلُّواْ مَعَكَ وَلْيَأْخُذُواْ حِذْرَهُمْ وَأَسْلِحَتَهُمْ وَدَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ لَوْ تَغْفُلُونَ عَنْ أَسْلِحَتِكُمْ وَأَمْتِعَتِكُمْ فَيَمِيلُونَ عَلَيْكُم مَّيْلَةً وَاحِدَةً وَلاَ جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ إِن كَانَ بِكُمْ أَذًى مِّن مَّطَرٍ أَوْ كُنتُم مَّرْضَى أَن تَضَعُواْ أَسْلِحَتَكُمْ وَخُذُواْ حِذْرَكُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ أَعَدَّ لِلْكَافِرِينَ عَذَابًا مُّهِينًا ﴿102﴾
Immortals
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The Syria, Iraq, and Yemen file was in his hands. He met directly with Kurdish, Iraqi, Syrian, Lebanese, and other government officials. He even texted leading US general David P. Who was in charge of Iraq and the Middle East, taunting him.
When shit hit the fan in Syria, who met Putin? Solemani.
Now tell me back when Solemani was alive who had more power and connections than Solemani within IRGC? Salami? Hajizadeh?
Yes he wasn’t head of IRGC, I never said he was, but as head of Quds Force and within Iran’s dynamic power structure he had much more influence and responsibility than any other IRGC commander. He had a closer connection with the Supreme leader than others with IRGC ever had.
Tehrani021
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Please don't insult. Not befitting of a Muslim. I have read the book many times and nowhere does it speak about WMD. It is down to interpretation and fiq of these verses, which requires knowledgeable scholars and not some random guy on an internet forum who is unknown in the circles of knowledge.
How do you extract that WMD is permissible from Surah Nisa: 71 and 102? I'm puzzled!
Surah Anfaal verse 60 is the strongest verse that could suggest WMD is allowed. However, there are still conditions attached to this. Does that verse mean I can use it against civilians even in a NFU situation? My understanding is that you can't use it against civilians even if they use it against your civilians. You can only use it as a detterance or against military in NFU scenario. This is why you can't look at one verse in isolation, but have to look at all the verses and hadeeth pertaining to the subject before making a ruling and this is the job of scholars and not laymen like us.
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