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his salary in IRT did not change, unless he is planning to spend all his money in America
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On the order Trump signed on Iran:
“So this is one that I'm torn about. Everybody wants me to sign it. I'll do that. It's very tough on Iran … So I'm signing this, & I'm unhappy to do it, but I really have not so much choice, because we have to be strong & firm, & I hope that it's not going to have to be used in any great measure at all. It'd be great if we could have a Middle East and maybe a world at total peace.”
“So this is one that I'm torn about. Everybody wants me to sign it. I'll do that. It's very tough on Iran … So I'm signing this, & I'm unhappy to do it, but I really have not so much choice, because we have to be strong & firm, & I hope that it's not going to have to be used in any great measure at all. It'd be great if we could have a Middle East and maybe a world at total peace.”
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we are paying in $ equivalent for almost everything,
for example the Pinto bean price doubled in pat 10 month .
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"The white man speaks with a forked tongue" The Orange Monkey Don Trump is the same genocidal shrill as the rest of them!
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Within the Ottoman Empire, the name "Turk" was sometimes used to denote the Turkmen backwoodsmen, bumpkins, or the illiterate peasants in Anatolia. "Etrak-i bi-idrak", for example, was an Ottoman play on words, meaning "the ignorant Turk". [33] Özay Mehmet in his book Islamic Identity and Development: Studies of the Islamic Periphery mentions: [34]
“The ordinary Turks (Turkmen) did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery. As Bernard Lewis expressed it: "in the Imperial society of the Ottomans the ethnic term Turk was little used, and then chiefly in a rather derogatory sense, to designate the Turcoman nomads or, later, the ignorant and uncouth Turkish-speaking peasants of the Anatolian villages." (Lewis 1968: 1)
“The ordinary Turks (Turkmen) did not have a sense of belonging to a ruling ethnic group. In particular, they had a confused sense of self-image. Who were they: Turks, Muslims or Ottomans? Their literature was sometimes Persian, sometimes Arabic, but always courtly and elitist. There was always a huge social and cultural distance between the Imperial centre and the Anatolian periphery. As Bernard Lewis expressed it: "in the Imperial society of the Ottomans the ethnic term Turk was little used, and then chiefly in a rather derogatory sense, to designate the Turcoman nomads or, later, the ignorant and uncouth Turkish-speaking peasants of the Anatolian villages." (Lewis 1968: 1)
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certain goods are more price sensitive than others to fluctuations in value of IRR vs USD
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Data from the IMF: GDP PPP in constant 2021 dollars (1990-2023)
1980-1990 data on GDP PPP is taken from the Penn World Table and adjusted to IMF figures.
As you can see Iran lost 2 decades -1980s (due to Iran-Iraq War and sanctions) and 2010s (due to Obama 2012 and Trump 2017 sanctions on oil industry).
In a scenario when we assume Iran's economic growth was 4,6% in 1980s and 4,6% in 2010s, Iran's GDP in 2023 would have been 2773bln instead of 1440bln. In such a scenario 1440bln is the size of Iran's economy in 2009, which means that Iran today is 14 years behind the alternative universe scenario.
This is the cost Iran paid trying to develop nuclear weapons and dominate Iraq/Lebanon/Yemen.
But at least unlike Turkey Iran is a nuclear threshold state and achieved hegemony in three Arab countries (Iraq/Lebanon/Yemen) despite opposition from the US and its allies.
Also note that Iran has 40% informal economy that is only partially captured by the official GDP figures - so Iran's economy in reality is bigger than the IMF figures.
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did we achieve "hegemony" in Lebanon? the current administration is ruled by the USA and bans Iranian flights from arriving in Lebanon.
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How powerful Iranian military will be by 2035?
How many new weapons Iranian military will purchase by 2035?
To answer these questions we have to analyze The Russian State Armament Development Program for 2011–2020.
In 2011 Russia started its Armament Development Program 2011–2020.
In 2011, with the GDP of 54trln rubles, Russia planned to spend 3,5% of its GDP on military in the period 2011-2020 with the eventual goal of spending 19trln rubles on its military by 2020
By spending that much money on its military, Russia planned to procure these weapons between 2011-2020:
100 surface and submarine vessels, including:
1) 19trln rubles in 2011 is equivalent to 50trln rubles (543bln$) in 2025 when adjusted for inflation. So in 2025 prices, Russia planned to spend 543bln$ on defense between 2011-2020
2) here are known prices of Russian military equipment for the Russian Ministry of Defense in 2025 (based on 2018 prices adjusted for inflation):
T90C-2,8 mln$
BTR-82A-0,53 mln$
BMP3-1,4mln$
Tigr armored car-150K$
Ka-52 attack helicopter-16mln$
Msta-S self-propelled howitzer-1,6mln$
Kalibr cruise missile-750K$
new Kilo submarine-194mln$
new Sovremeny-class destroyer-540mln$
1 battalion of S-400- 260mln$
3) Based on these prices, we can make a rough estimation of the total cost of planned major weapons purchases between 2011-2020:
10 Project 955 "Borei" strategic nuclear submarines and 30 non-strategic submarines have a total displacement of 405.000 tons which is equal to 172 Kilo submarines that cost 194mln$. 172 Kilo * 194mln= 33,3bln$
35 corvettes, 14 frigates, 6 Project 21630 "Buyan" small missile ships, 6 Project 11711 "Yantar" large landing ships and 4 "Mistral" helicopter carriers have a total displacement of 250.000 tons which is equal to 31 Sovremeny-class destroyers that cost 540mln$. 31*540mln=16,7bln$
600 aircrafts with an average cost of 35mln$ per aircraft= 21bln$
1,100 helicopters with an average cost of 9mln$ per helicopter= 9,9bln$
10 battalions of S-500 air defense systems=2,6bln$
56 battalions of S-400 air defense systems=14,5bln$
2,300 tanks with an average cost of 2,8mln$ per tank= 6,4bln$
10 brigades of "Iskander-M" missile systems (240 missiles)= roughly 0,5bln$
270-280 "Yars" intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) at an average cost of 7mln$ per ICBM= 1,9bln$
Total= 107bln$
So out of 543bln$ defence budget, Russia spent 107bln$ on purchases of major weapons and this means that 20% of the defense budget goes to major weapons purchases.
And now we can make a similar calculation for Iran's military:
1) Based on prices of Russian military equipment we can make a rough estimation of prices of Iranian military equipment.
Note that dollar salaries in Iran are lower than in Russia so dollar prices of Iranian military equipment must be lower.
Karrar tank-2,2mln$
New APC-0,45mln$
New IFV-1mln$
Raad armored car-130K$
Shahed 216-14mln$
Simorgh transport aircraft-18mln$
Raad 2 self-propelled howitzer-1mln$
Howeyzeh cruise missile-650K$
Raad 500 ballistic missile 500km-380K$
Khaybarshekan ballistic missile -600K$
Qaem-110 ICBM 12.000km-4mln$
Qaem-120 ICBM 12.000km-11mln$
Shahed 136 drone-30K$
Shahed 129 drone-700K$
Dehlavieh ATGM-20k$
Shahid Soleimani corvette- 20mln$
Iranian 2000ton submarine-150mln$
Fateh 600ton submarine-45mln$
7000ton destroyer-430mln$
2) Iran's military budget 2020-2035. To calculate it we assume that Iran's nominal GDP grows 3% per year until 2035 and the annual military budget is 3,6% of GDP
So Iran will spend 327bln$ on its military between 2020-2035.
Just like in case of Russian military Armament Development Program, we assume that 20% of military budget will be used for purchase of major military equipment and this means that Iran will purchase military equipment worth 65bln$ between 2020 and 2035.
You have 65bln$, I listed the prices of Iranian military equipment, so you can make your own Plan for Weapons Purchases while taking Industrial constrains into account.
It seems like Iran has more than enough money to rearm its military with domestically developed weapons by 2035 and reequip its Air Force with foreign made aircrafts.
How many new weapons Iranian military will purchase by 2035?
To answer these questions we have to analyze The Russian State Armament Development Program for 2011–2020.
In 2011 Russia started its Armament Development Program 2011–2020.
In 2011, with the GDP of 54trln rubles, Russia planned to spend 3,5% of its GDP on military in the period 2011-2020 with the eventual goal of spending 19trln rubles on its military by 2020
By spending that much money on its military, Russia planned to procure these weapons between 2011-2020:
100 surface and submarine vessels, including:
- 10 Project 955 "Borei" strategic nuclear submarines
- 30 non-strategic submarines
- 35 corvettes, including 30 Project 20380 corvettes
- 14 frigates, including 6 Project 11356 and 8 Project 22350
- 6 Project 21630 "Buyan" small missile ships
- 6 Project 11711 "Yantar" large landing ships
- 4 "Mistral" helicopter carriers
Air Force Procurement:
- 600 aircraft, including:
- 52 T-50 (PAK FA) fighters
- Su-35S, MiG-35 (37 units)
- Su-34 frontline bombers and Su-25SM attack aircraft
- Il-76 and An-70 transport aircraft
- 1,100 helicopters, including:
- Mi-28N and Mi-28NM "Night Hunter"
- Ka-52 "Alligator"
- Mi-8AMTSh combat transport helicopters
- Mi-8-MTV-5, Mi-26 transport helicopters, and "Ansat"
Missile and Ground Forces:
- 10 battalions of S-500 air defense systems
- 56 battalions of S-400 air defense systems
- 2,300 tanks
- 2,000 artillery systems
- 10 brigades of "Iskander-M" missile systems
- 270-280 "Yars" intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs)
1) 19trln rubles in 2011 is equivalent to 50trln rubles (543bln$) in 2025 when adjusted for inflation. So in 2025 prices, Russia planned to spend 543bln$ on defense between 2011-2020
2) here are known prices of Russian military equipment for the Russian Ministry of Defense in 2025 (based on 2018 prices adjusted for inflation):
T90C-2,8 mln$
BTR-82A-0,53 mln$
BMP3-1,4mln$
Tigr armored car-150K$
Ka-52 attack helicopter-16mln$
Msta-S self-propelled howitzer-1,6mln$
Kalibr cruise missile-750K$
new Kilo submarine-194mln$
new Sovremeny-class destroyer-540mln$
1 battalion of S-400- 260mln$
3) Based on these prices, we can make a rough estimation of the total cost of planned major weapons purchases between 2011-2020:
10 Project 955 "Borei" strategic nuclear submarines and 30 non-strategic submarines have a total displacement of 405.000 tons which is equal to 172 Kilo submarines that cost 194mln$. 172 Kilo * 194mln= 33,3bln$
35 corvettes, 14 frigates, 6 Project 21630 "Buyan" small missile ships, 6 Project 11711 "Yantar" large landing ships and 4 "Mistral" helicopter carriers have a total displacement of 250.000 tons which is equal to 31 Sovremeny-class destroyers that cost 540mln$. 31*540mln=16,7bln$
600 aircrafts with an average cost of 35mln$ per aircraft= 21bln$
1,100 helicopters with an average cost of 9mln$ per helicopter= 9,9bln$
10 battalions of S-500 air defense systems=2,6bln$
56 battalions of S-400 air defense systems=14,5bln$
2,300 tanks with an average cost of 2,8mln$ per tank= 6,4bln$
10 brigades of "Iskander-M" missile systems (240 missiles)= roughly 0,5bln$
270-280 "Yars" intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) at an average cost of 7mln$ per ICBM= 1,9bln$
Total= 107bln$
So out of 543bln$ defence budget, Russia spent 107bln$ on purchases of major weapons and this means that 20% of the defense budget goes to major weapons purchases.
And now we can make a similar calculation for Iran's military:
1) Based on prices of Russian military equipment we can make a rough estimation of prices of Iranian military equipment.
Note that dollar salaries in Iran are lower than in Russia so dollar prices of Iranian military equipment must be lower.
Karrar tank-2,2mln$
New APC-0,45mln$
New IFV-1mln$
Raad armored car-130K$
Shahed 216-14mln$
Simorgh transport aircraft-18mln$
Raad 2 self-propelled howitzer-1mln$
Howeyzeh cruise missile-650K$
Raad 500 ballistic missile 500km-380K$
Khaybarshekan ballistic missile -600K$
Qaem-110 ICBM 12.000km-4mln$
Qaem-120 ICBM 12.000km-11mln$
Shahed 136 drone-30K$
Shahed 129 drone-700K$
Dehlavieh ATGM-20k$
Shahid Soleimani corvette- 20mln$
Iranian 2000ton submarine-150mln$
Fateh 600ton submarine-45mln$
7000ton destroyer-430mln$
2) Iran's military budget 2020-2035. To calculate it we assume that Iran's nominal GDP grows 3% per year until 2035 and the annual military budget is 3,6% of GDP
So Iran will spend 327bln$ on its military between 2020-2035.
Just like in case of Russian military Armament Development Program, we assume that 20% of military budget will be used for purchase of major military equipment and this means that Iran will purchase military equipment worth 65bln$ between 2020 and 2035.
You have 65bln$, I listed the prices of Iranian military equipment, so you can make your own Plan for Weapons Purchases while taking Industrial constrains into account.
It seems like Iran has more than enough money to rearm its military with domestically developed weapons by 2035 and reequip its Air Force with foreign made aircrafts.
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I don't understand why they blur their faces
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unfortunately the situation is very bad
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