Iranian Chill Thread

[jauk]

I have no idea why my reply to you got deleted, about football of all matters! So I will post it again:

Yeah I keep hearing people saying Taremi does this on purpose for political reasons, but after seeing him cry I feel he just bottled it and had a bad day at the office. The issue is our strikers are letting us down a bit, too lightweight. Azmoun missed a few chances. But how good is Ghayedi?! Very impressed by him.

The match starts 3pm Tehran time on Saturday. Hope you dont miss it bro!

Taremi's first yellow was for simulation and unfortunately he has a big reputation for that. Iranian federation appealed that yellow but it's almost impossible that it will be repealed

I agree our strikers are a problem, I never rated Azmoun but he is so bad recently even his supporters are disappointed. Ghayedi is good but he is quite small and can be outmuscled at times

We have the tallest team in the tournament so we probably need to aim to score from set plays and do what Iraq did to Japan (though we don't have the athleticism to press as hard as they did)

Yeah both Azmoun and Taremi were awful. I don't believe the simulation yellow card was valid but given Taremi's reputation he deserved it.

Overall, Team Melli has improved significantly. The Persian Gulf Pro is the real reason as it's quality has improved as well. All in all, I don't believe Iranians yet understand the requirements to truly be a world class soccer team. Fans are fans for their sake rather than demand true and deep leapfrog improvement.

As for sports overall, Iran has been super successful with diversification of sports and success of other sports at world level. No longer a one impoverished single sport country.

 

[VCheng]

official numbers are 4-5 million but the borders are very porous and estimates of the real number vary widely (most seem to think 8-10 million)

"Iran International" (US-based, Israeli-funded anti Iran network, designated as a terrorist entity in Iran) has been using the issue a lot recently to turn Iranians against Afghans. they promote images of supposedly illegal Afghan migrants collecting their free bread funded by Iranian taxpayers. the bigger issue is Iranians are already suffering economically, so it's easy to exploit this sentiment by using these stories about Afghans

but for sure better regulation and controls of our borders are needed and IRI is failing badly in this

Wow! That many?! Has any international agency via UNO offered help for Iran to house such large numbers of refugees or has Iran borne all the costs itself?

 

[tsunset]

official numbers are 4-5 million but the borders are very porous and estimates of the real number vary widely (most seem to think 8-10 million)

"Iran International" (US-based, Israeli-funded anti Iran network, designated as a terrorist entity in Iran) has been using the issue a lot recently to turn Iranians against Afghans. they promote images of supposedly illegal Afghan migrants collecting their free bread funded by Iranian taxpayers. the bigger issue is Iranians are already suffering economically, so it's easy to exploit this sentiment by using these stories about Afghans

but for sure better regulation and controls of our borders are needed and IRI is failing badly in this

They created accounts posing as pro-Iran "ultra nationalist" accounts claiming to attach Afghans in cages and torturing them and point them as "animals" (ironically a Zionist classic quote), and posting years old footage of Afghan violence in Iran

There are no ways someone inside Iran will suddenly say "I want Afghans to be killed in mass and put into a special district"

They create many accounts posing as pro-Iran profiles promoting violence towards Afghans, same from the Afghan side

The reality is that hundreds of thousands of fake accounts and bots have been documented coming from the "opposition", the only goal in all of that is creating hate between Iranians and Afghans, there can't be a much clearer example than Iran International in terms of wanting Iran in a civil war, they tried so much during 2022 it was amazing and sad

 

[tsunset]

Iran International should be targeted by the intelligence service outside of Iran, target their journalists and head directors, they are responsible for tons of blood inside Iran

 

[Persian Gulf]

Wow! That many?! Has any international agency via UNO offered help for Iran to house such large numbers of refugees or has Iran borne all the costs itself?

Iran provides free education to Afghan children (regardless of legal status AFAIK) and I think the UN provides a small amount of aid to assist with that, but otherwise no, so it's really not sufficient to offset the additional strain on infrastructure / public services etc

on the other hand, Afghans provide cheap labour so they do contribute to society as well (as in every case of undocumented migration providing cheap labour around the world)

 

[jauk]

official numbers are 4-5 million but the borders are very porous and estimates of the real number vary widely (most seem to think 8-10 million)

"Iran International" (US-based, Israeli-funded anti Iran network, designated as a terrorist entity in Iran) has been using the issue a lot recently to turn Iranians against Afghans. they promote images of supposedly illegal Afghan migrants collecting their free bread funded by Iranian taxpayers. the bigger issue is Iranians are already suffering economically, so it's easy to exploit this sentiment by using these stories about Afghans

but for sure better regulation and controls of our borders are needed and IRI is failing badly in this

I'm entirely against this 'tafragheh' which is an imported non-Iranian behavior. That said, border security is key--if unsuccessful we've seen the recent successful but unfortunate results--although they wouldn't have been necessary if steps were taken by all sides. Strategically Iran doesn't invest enough in internal security which results in the costly need for retaliation regardless of how successful that retaliation is.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Overall, Team Melli has improved significantly.

I am not sure. Compared to when? Iran last won the Asian Cup in the 70s.

We have consistently qualified for 5/7 World Cups since 1998, but I am not sure how much better we are now than in 1998. We suffer from the same weaknesses: mental weakness, lack of discipline, lack of concentration, lack of technical ability, lack of athleticism. Japan and South Korea are levels ahead of us in all of these areas.

The funding situation is terrible. Neymar came to Azadi stadium and couldn't believe what he saw.

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[tsunset]

I am not sure. Compared to when? Iran last won the Asian Cup in the 70s.

We have consistently qualified for 5/7 World Cups since 1998, but I am not sure how much better we are now than in 1998. We suffer from the same weaknesses: mental weakness, lack of discipline, lack of concentration, lack of technical ability, lack of athleticism. Japan and South Korea are levels ahead of us in all of these areas.

The funding situation is terrible. Neymar came to Azadi stadium and couldn't believe what he saw.

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One of the problem is simple, the team is old, at least 29-30 years old for all players, this is old for football player and a football team, we used to have the most young team in 2014

The team needs fresh talents, we are not in 2015 anymore, Taremi and Azmoun aren't 22 anymore

We also have people that harass the team via useless lawsuits and threats to the players, these come from the "opposition", no wonder the mental is not at its best

The team had all these attributes, they are getting old and a new generation of harassers grew since 2022

The Azadi stadium can simply become great with fundings, this is just a question of money, the above is harder to fix and isn't fixable with money

 

[jauk]

I am not sure. Compared to when? Iran last won the Asian Cup in the 70s.

We have consistently qualified for 5/7 World Cups since 1998, but I am not sure how much better we are now than in 1998. We suffer from the same weaknesses: mental weakness, lack of discipline, lack of concentration, lack of technical ability, lack of athleticism. Japan and South Korea are levels ahead of us in all of these areas.

The funding situation is terrible. Neymar came to Azadi stadium and couldn't believe what he saw.

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Purely by stats Iran was one of 16 in the 70s. Never left first group.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Purely by stats Iran was one of 16 in the 70s. Never left first group.

Iran still has never progressed beyond the group stage in the World Cup

One of the problem is simple, the team is old, at least 29-30 years old for all players, this is old for football player and a football team, we used to have the most young team in 2014

The team needs fresh talents, we are not in 2015 anymore, Taremi and Azmoun aren't 22 anymore

We also have people that harass the team via useless lawsuits and threats to the players, these come from the "opposition", no wonder the mental is not at its best

The team had all these attributes, they are getting old and a new generation of harassers grew since 2022

The Azadi stadium can simply become great with fundings, this is just a question of money, the above is harder to fix and isn't fixable with money

we did better in 2022 World Cup than 2014 World Cup but I agree this team is reaching the end of their time and the other factors (weird 'fans' abusing them, political factors, funding issues) are not helping at all

it's even hard for Iran to organise friendlies with other countries because of sanctions, and the funding situation is a joke, the players have to buy their own shirts and Nike refused to sell the Iranian players trainers etc

 

[Mehdipersian]

Wow! That many?! Has any international agency via UNO offered help for Iran to house such large numbers of refugees or has Iran borne all the costs itself?

International organizations have given little help to Iran for Afghan immigrants in these years(From the beginning of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan until now)

 

[tsunset]

Big PR stunt from Raisi

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[Hack-Hook]

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I don't agree with this rhetoric but important to share anyway

well i knew of two other forbidden province which are filled with foreigners. let be honest , its another spur of moments law of our parliament that is so problematic and costly to enforce that won't get enforced unless the guy get arrested for another reason.
we have many of such ill taught laws

 

[Hack-Hook]

setting aside the socio economic issues associated with Afghan migration into Iran (which is a very valid viewpoint), this takes me back to a point Salar used to make which was that if Iran has a demographic birth rate issue (as many countries do), who is a better candidate than Afghans to help with that issue? they speak virtually the same language and iranians and afghans are brothers in every sense, many of my iranian friends even think afghanistan should be part of iran.

that birth issue is non existent at the moment , we need to fix our shit first to be able to have a healthy society if increase the birth rate more
also we must be more selective on who we accept . many of these guys values are far more distant to our values than some europeans

 

[MS Sandhu]

Iran is the first country that recognized Pakistan

That was a different Iran