tsunset
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US rarely attacks Iran allies, only when American personel killed or substantial damage to their assets.
US is not a mad dog like Israel, they want to avoid war while Israel wants wars and tries so hard for dragging in NATO into
Iranian Foreign & Resistance Front Strategy & Operations
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US rarely attacks Iran allies, only when American personel killed or substantial damage to their assets.
US is not a mad dog like Israel, they want to avoid war while Israel wants wars and tries so hard for dragging in NATO into
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So how will Iran respond to this?
mangekyo
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Usually by replacing the damaged weapons.
tsunset
The Legend
To the PMF bombing?
As usual, send more plans and weapons, not so much will change because of an ammo storage blown up, this is what Israel struggles to understand, it will have no effect on the ground, assassinate PMF officers? Still nothing will change
Hezbollah has 10x+ more ammunition and weapons that it had in 2006
The value of those strikes are a mix between reassuring themselves and PR
Immortals
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They are not ROCKS.
Rock is a 30cm diameter missile. Those pictures point to something bigger.
It’s blue sparrow.
Immortals
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I’m curious why PMU don’t have Iranian operated air defense systems?
Is this an Iraqi government redline? It is quite easy to bring in 3vome Khordad, Majid, Dey, Tatical Sayyad into Iraq via the border and most Shiite miltias are in eastern Iraq (minus Imam Ali base on Iraqi/Syria border). So it would be difficult for Israel to hit them while they get transported and unloaded and set up. Both politically and operationally.
Hell just donate all those old first gen systems like Tabas and the early BUK/SM-3 derivative systems.
Mehdipersian
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An interview with the military commander of Isfahan Air Base was conducted after the attack. Is this image the same radar that they said might have been hit?
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Immortals
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No that’s a Nebo based radar. It’s a supplemental radar that blasts radar bands that LO and VLO objects react more strongly too.
This is the radar in question
Immortals
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if the S-300 system was hit (still a big if)
Then it begs the question with so many automated AA’s (skyguaed), quadcopter anti drone systems (laser and signal based), and the rise of so many SHORAD systems Dezful, Zubin, Majid, Azakarash, Dey, etc. how drones got thru in 2024.
Lastly why are they operating MANUAL AAs guys in 2024 in Isfahan? MANUAL AA guns haven’t been effective since WW2.
If the system was hit by a blue sparrow missile, then that’s a bit of a challenge because Blue Sparrow moves at Mach 8 and impacts at Mach 5, while theoretically S-300 could be use to target it during descent it’s not a great match up. It would be better for Arman to face it or the secret Iranian exo-atmospheric interceptor seen in posters years ago.
Iran has the ability to convert many Qiams or even Haj Qassem based missiles into interceptors to form the Iranian Arrow system. It would require some modifications to the seeker/warhead. But iran has space focused radars and a wide variety of radars that can be used to triangulate Ballistic Missiles.
Ideally Iran needs to move fast in this regard or consider purchasing S-500 (skip S-400) as a stop gap measure especially in the field of Hypersonics.
Nonetheless, Iran will never be able to have an Israeli like shield because it has a very mountainous land mass which is terrible for radars and also because it is a very large country so it would $25B+ easily to saturate the entire country unless you just leave the eastern border relatively unsecured.
Either way this attack should be a wake up call if it did indeed happen. If Israel can hit an S-300 site deep inside Tehran using a tiny swarm of Quadcopters + 3 Blue Sparrow. Then imagine what it can do with a 100 Blue sparrow and 100 conventional Jericho III’s and 100 LACM.
This again reinforces my point why Iran needs powerful interceptors (like SU-35, SU-57, MIG-31) to defend its airspace. Everyone here mocked me saying that airplanes are a waste and that Iranian air defense network can handle the workload.
No air defense network in world can last forever, ask Ukraine as they get pummeled by Cold War era FAB dummy bombs with a JDAM kit attached. That is after the West donated $50B+ in air defense equipment.
The fact there was no F-14 patrolling the Iraqi border in the days after the attack (at least night time) or an Iranian AWAC in the air monitoring for low altitude threats is inexcusable.
But I will await more data to come in before formulating my final opinion.
Then it begs the question with so many automated AA’s (skyguaed), quadcopter anti drone systems (laser and signal based), and the rise of so many SHORAD systems Dezful, Zubin, Majid, Azakarash, Dey, etc. how drones got thru in 2024.
Lastly why are they operating MANUAL AAs guys in 2024 in Isfahan? MANUAL AA guns haven’t been effective since WW2.
If the system was hit by a blue sparrow missile, then that’s a bit of a challenge because Blue Sparrow moves at Mach 8 and impacts at Mach 5, while theoretically S-300 could be use to target it during descent it’s not a great match up. It would be better for Arman to face it or the secret Iranian exo-atmospheric interceptor seen in posters years ago.
Iran has the ability to convert many Qiams or even Haj Qassem based missiles into interceptors to form the Iranian Arrow system. It would require some modifications to the seeker/warhead. But iran has space focused radars and a wide variety of radars that can be used to triangulate Ballistic Missiles.
Ideally Iran needs to move fast in this regard or consider purchasing S-500 (skip S-400) as a stop gap measure especially in the field of Hypersonics.
Nonetheless, Iran will never be able to have an Israeli like shield because it has a very mountainous land mass which is terrible for radars and also because it is a very large country so it would $25B+ easily to saturate the entire country unless you just leave the eastern border relatively unsecured.
Either way this attack should be a wake up call if it did indeed happen. If Israel can hit an S-300 site deep inside Tehran using a tiny swarm of Quadcopters + 3 Blue Sparrow. Then imagine what it can do with a 100 Blue sparrow and 100 conventional Jericho III’s and 100 LACM.
This again reinforces my point why Iran needs powerful interceptors (like SU-35, SU-57, MIG-31) to defend its airspace. Everyone here mocked me saying that airplanes are a waste and that Iranian air defense network can handle the workload.
No air defense network in world can last forever, ask Ukraine as they get pummeled by Cold War era FAB dummy bombs with a JDAM kit attached. That is after the West donated $50B+ in air defense equipment.
The fact there was no F-14 patrolling the Iraqi border in the days after the attack (at least night time) or an Iranian AWAC in the air monitoring for low altitude threats is inexcusable.
But I will await more data to come in before formulating my final opinion.
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Mehdipersian
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If this radar was really damaged , it was by quadcopters. The Isfahan base area is close to the city, and if there was any big explosion or fire, we would immediately see the picture and video on social media.
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Immortals
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Not necessarily. (Embarrassing if true).
No we would not, as it was the radar that was struck not the launchers. Israel tried to keep casualties at 0. So striking the launchers causes chain reaction.
Blue sparrow has ability to have an inert warhead. Meaning it’s entire kill would be KE of a mach 5 impact.
A quadcopter also wouldn’t split a radar vehicle in half come on now. The max payload would be less than 10kg maybe closer to 5kg.
And if quadcopters managed to break thru Iranian air defense rings that’s an embarrassing feat. If Quadcopters were so deadly than Al-Queda/ISIS and every terrorist extremist group would be harassing airports around the world with off the shelf drones. So why aren’t they? What’s stopping them? Because they are easy to jam. A simple laser system or EW system would force them to land or crash. Pretty much every major airport around the world has such a system in place.
Also take what the media says with a grain of salt. They also said Iran launched 110 missiles. Then where are they? Israel launched 3 sparrows and we have 3 boosters. That makes sense, now could Israel have launched 5? Sure 7? Maybe. 110? If this was Call of Duty, sure.
Yet they claim Iran launches 110 missiles and all we have recovered are 3 boosters. How does that make sense? How come no one is asking the real questions on this forum? Shocking how brainwashed you guys are becoming.
Mehdipersian
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It was dark at the time of the attack. If there is an explosion, a large number of people will definitely go outside the house or on the roof to see what happened.
Certainly, if a missile hits the base, we now have the images and videos of fire and explosion.
Immortals
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It was dawn. Attack happened at 6-6:30 am Iran time. A simple google search will let you know sunrises at 5:30 am in Isfahan.
Explosions were heard (hence why the first reports were of explosions by general public), but within the hour iran claimed ir was sound of their air defense systems.
Isfahan military base is a huge base and airport. And if the target was a radar or two of the S-300 system then it wouldn’t be that visible especially if you are right and it’s drones. Within 30 mins the systems could have been removed from site and lead to storage to hide if Iran really wanted or to prevent further damage.
To me if Iran intercepted BMs they would scream it off the rooftops like the Israelis did. They would brag and brag about their 100% interception rate. Not hide it. Yet Iran won’t even admit BMs we’re used in the attack? Why?
That’s why I think something happened. Iran is trying to minimize this by saying it was “toys our kids play with”.
This is the exact same behavior after Solemani attack. Iran swings from ultra conservative to ultra aggressive then back to ultra conservative and sheepish/risk averse. There is no balance. It’s like some voices in the establishment “win” when extremely bad things happen (Solemani, Maximum Pressure, Syria consulate) then afterwards the ruling voices step in and take over.
I believe Khamenai to be very risk averse and this attack was needed as there isn’t a historical precedent in modern times where one nation bombs another nations consulate on purpose. Even when ISIS took over Turkish consulate in Iraq, they didn’t do anything drastic because they realized if any of the diplomats died then Turkey would raise hell and high water on them. They ended up releasing all of them.
So even Facist terrorist groups know consulates are big no no type of places. Yet Iran twice in its existence (Taliban and Afghan consulate, Israel and Syria consulate) has had its diplomatic buildings attacked. And remember in case of Taliban consulate Iran almost went to war, not a mere strike package on Taliban outposts but a full invasion. If it wasn’t weakened by Iraq war years before it likely would have.
Kyussis
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Israel sent 3 quadcopters and 3 Blue Sparrow missiles to attack Iran and at best 1 hit a target. If Israel did take out the 92N6 radar then that would count as 85% interception rate for Iran's integrated air defense as apposed to "84%" for the Israelis!
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