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ICBM can be classified as such from even a 6000-8000km range, and not necessarily starting from 10,000km+. MRBMs are between 1000-2500kms, and IRBMs are 2700-5500kms ranges...

But since the US is so far away from Iran or China, you'd need a standard full-blown ICBM of 10,000kms+ and above that range to hit the US from either countries satisfactorily enough, instead of the "entry-level ranges" of 6000-9500kms...
 
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I don’t believe Iran has MIRV bus technology or if it does it’s not been shown off. I believe there was an animation video from Iran that showed the K-4 bus and none of the warheads had fins thus pointing to MRV not MIRV.

Thus I think K-4 is MRV (multiple re-entry vehicle) and not MIRV (multiple independent targetable RV). I don’t think any missile exists in the world that releases MIRVs that are not nuclear warheads. It’s expensive tech to pack 3 warheads that each have the ability to target different points only to have them carry a conventional payload.

I think until sufficient evidence is released we have to assume K-4 releases FINLESS warheads after aligning the PBV in the [late] exo atmospheric phase prior to re entry and that was also what that animation showed. If that is case then CEP could be quite large (500meters+) and making the weapon for use on either civilian centers, ports, large military bases/airfields, large economic targets (power plants, water facilities, etc).

You are correct about K-2 there was a variant with a warhead similar to Emad, however that warhead was smaller than the traditional warhead and thus couldn’t carry a max payload like you see in K-4.

I agree with your theory K-2 with MarV was likely not adopted, my thoughts are cost wise and Emad was likely much cheaper vs the “newer” Khorramshar family engines. Why have two liquid missiles doing the same job?

There isn’t a lot of Intel on what the differences between K-1, K-2, and K-3 are. I know there was a poster once showing K-1 & K-2 stats, but K-3 I don’t ever remember being unveiled. It makes me wonder if K-1 thru 3 were different working prototypes and ultimately K-4 was the mass produced variant.

I made it clear that being a PBV, it is designed to carry submunitions/clustered warhead OR can be used for MIRV. Nowhere I said it currently carries MIRV although Amir Hatami claimed that. I refuse to believe anything until I see it. Why I think it can be a contender to carry MIRV from Iranian arsenal, the diameter of 1.5+ m which not even Sejjil has. For sejjil to carry MIRV, they will have to use the SLV version of Sejjil with a MIRV bus like the Satellite-Bus in Zoljaneh SLV. Saying this, it won't be very smart to think that a country that can deploy Multiple Sat-Buses thrusted by TVCed-kickoff stages cant deploy MIRVed warheads.

CEP is irrelevant for a PBV deploying submunitions or MIRV. They do post-separation corrections (PSC) and then open their mouths towards enemies to release bomblets. They are designed to take out large areas like AD installations, airfields, soft bunkers, aircrafts parked in the open etc.

My take is that only a few K-1/2 exist because of a simple reason, an MaRV for an accurate strike at 3000 KM is useless so IRGCAF moved to K-4 PBV (K-3 probably was just a prototype designation) which I believe will now be produced in numbers considering Iran is now actively engaged in targeting Israeli AD batteries/radars so PBV like K-4 deploying submunition is something we may see attacking THAAD.
 
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Mk-84=1 ton payload
K-4=1 ton8 warhead

Why K-4 explosion looks less larger than mk-84? Need explanation
 
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hilarious, that's an American mk-84 bomb nothing to do with Khorramshahr
 
But since the US is so far away from Iran or China, you'd need a standard full-blown ICBM of 10,000kms+ and above that range to hit the US from either countries satisfactorily enough,

Iran or China?? How come China comes in this thread. But since you mentioned China. It has way too many ICBMs (DF5, DF41 etc) with ranges in excess of 16000 Kms. Plus so many nuclear subs that too can carry JL-3s SLBMs that have ranges in excess of 10,000kms. The subs have unlimited range.
 
Iran or China?? How come China comes in this thread. But since you mentioned China. It has way too many ICBMs (DF5, DF41 etc) with ranges in excess of 16000 Kms. Plus so many nuclear subs that too can carry JL-3s SLBMs that have ranges in excess of 10,000kms. The subs have unlimited range.
Just making a comparison when talking about ICBM ranges...

The point is, Iran can put into service a missile with a range of only 8000 km, and it would still be classified as an ICBM even if it can't reach New York City which is 9,800 km away...

Even practically speaking, that range can still technically be called "Intercontinental", since a missile with that range can cover the other continent of Africa for many regions(since Africa is a different continent than Asia).

Not saying that Iran has any enemies in Africa which she 100% doesn't, but I'm just trying to categorize why a 8000km range missile still qualifies as an "Intercontinental" capability...

But to be able to deter US, which is much farther away, Iran needs at minimum, a 10,000-10,500km range missile as only that can cover NYC and some cities in the East Coast of USA.
 
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Jangavar, says it looks low and subsonic ergo a cruise missile.
Jangavaran always considers the worst possiblity.

Cruise missiles can never reach that altitude. Unless a gliding hyperaonic cruise missile was unveiled.

As per online speculations, it was an ICBM test that was seen over Azerbaijan too. I read a comment in an online platform. The simultaneousness of those incidents points to Iraian test. Apparently Iran intends to retaliate to EU aggression in that direction.

If US was the main testing target then Iran intends to retaliate to possible US stupidity from the north pole. However, due to sharp gravity anomaly in the north pole, accuracy would be an issue. But, Given that Iranian warheads can manuever before impact, the possibility of threatening US via the north pole could not be rejected.
 
It looks like an intercontinental ballistic missile

ICBM wouldn’t be burning in the upper atmosphere as you can see this glow significantly as it travels. Remember space is a vacuum so no oxygen for burning/flames. So this object is not in “space”.

It’s shrouded in plasma, could be HGV test by Iran (Fatah-2 or unknown unannounced weapon) which is what you’d might see for an object traveling thru the upper atmosphere at Mach 12+ during a skip maneuver.

The direction is strange, typically you launch towards the equator to leave orbit, yet this was traveling towards the Caspian Sea according to eyewitness (east to west/NW). Typically you would also refrain from testing weapons over civilian areas.

Other explanations: satellite disintegration (last night a Starlink satellite disintegrated in SW USA skies) , meteor, US black project (ie Aurora), UFO.

Lastly, a hypersonic CM with a rocket assisted booster phase at launch. Hypersonic CMs typically are between 100,000 to 200,000 feet in altitude and would be expected to create plasma glows.

Now if Iran is testing a hypersonic CM that would be a monumental technical achievement considering only Russia has an operational HCM with US and China fast developing their own respective programs.

Strangely not many OSINT or news network have commented on this. Maybe someone sheds more light in next few days.
 
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Another post by”Shahrud Space Command”, alluding to the emergence of a new weapon system that exceeds regional range.

@Persian Gulf @Emirzad

Also is it confirmed this account is legit? Seems strange for a missile team to have its own Twitter account when most (if not all) Iranian military branches don’t have one.
 
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Another post by”Shahrud Space Command”, alluding to the emergence of a new weapon system that exceeds regional range.

@Persian Gulf @Emirzad

Also is it confirmed this account is legit? Seems strange for a missile team to have its own Twitter account when most (if not all) Iranian military branches don’t have one.


Call me a buzz killer but I think they just tested some version of or just a basic K-4 from Shahrud the other night. No evidence came out of anything new.

I am finding this guy on insta.
 

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