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[Shags101]

Vertical launch of a "Nawab" air defense missile from a Pasdaran Fast Attack Boat, this time sailing at high speed, during IRGC-N exercises in the Strait of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf.
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Actually cool it could do that while maneuvering but did it actually hit its target

 

[Flotilla]

Vertical launch of a "Nawab" air defense missile from a Pasdaran Fast Attack Boat, this time sailing at high speed, during IRGC-N exercises in the Strait of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf.
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It is just me or the dome's radar seems to be taller and fit a bigger antenna?
Anyway seems more than good to create a mobile naval layer of anti-drone Defense system.

 

[Immortals]

I’m not great with military technical side but wouldn’t putting a VLS where the helipad is make more sense especially since you can do most if not more with drones which I’m assuming would be more cost effective than maintaining an old helicopter that assuming they could have several or more drones launch from different directions to monitor movements from many sides etc

I assume you would not put VLS near the rear of the ship where its engines are. If accident happens then the ship propulsion is also crippled with no ability to move. I think basically every ship design I have seen has VLS in the front or middle of the ship. Not in the far rear.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Actually cool it could do that while maneuvering but did it actually hit its target

yes, the video shows it hitting a target drone

 

[Persian Gulf]

Vertical launch of a "Nawab" air defense missile from a Pasdaran Fast Attack Boat, this time sailing at high speed, during IRGC-N exercises in the Strait of Hormuz and the Persian Gulf.
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pretty funny that IRGC-N managed to put VLS on a small speed boat before IRIN put VLS on its "destroyers".

 

[sahureka2]

I assume you would not put VLS near the rear of the ship where its engines are. If accident happens then the ship propulsion is also crippled with no ability to move. I think basically every ship design I have seen has VLS in the front or middle of the ship. Not in the far rear.

North Koreans think differently

 

[sahureka2]

I’m not great with military technical side but wouldn’t putting a VLS where the helipad is make more sense especially since you can do most if not more with drones which I’m assuming would be more cost effective than maintaining an old helicopter that assuming they could have several or more drones launch from different directions to monitor movements from many sides etc

It's a very simple game with images interpreting Shadi Hassan hypothesis.
The four anti-aircraft missile launchers have been eliminated.
The helicopter deck has been extended toward the stern of the ship, filling the space where the anti-aircraft missile launchers once were.
A superstructure for the VLS (two versions) has been placed in a portion of the flight deck.
With the flight deck extended, there is still room for the takeoff and landing of VTOL drones.
The torpedo tubes have been repositioned aft with the flight deck extension.

 

[Shags101]

It's a very simple game with images interpreting Shadi Hassan hypothesis.
The four anti-aircraft missile launchers have been eliminated.
The helicopter deck has been extended toward the stern of the ship, filling the space where the anti-aircraft missile launchers once were.
A superstructure for the VLS (two versions) has been placed in a portion of the flight deck.
With the flight deck extended, there is still room for the takeoff and landing of VTOL drones.
The torpedo tubes have been repositioned aft with the flight deck extension.
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Even those cruise missile launchers I would think you could accommodate more vls launchers in place of those bulky systems

 

[sahureka2]

Even those cruise missile launchers I would think you could accommodate more vls launchers in place of those bulky systems

The Qader anti-ship missiles are generously sized in length, so I prefer the classic launchers that in that position keep the weight low, also because, it is important to remember, we are still dealing with a ship, the Sahand 74, with a displacement of only 1,500-1,700 tons and a length of 95 m.

 

[Shags101]

The Qader anti-ship missiles are generously sized in length, so I prefer the classic launchers that in that position keep the weight low, also because, it is important to remember, we are still dealing with a ship, the Sahand 74, with a displacement of only 1,500-1,700 tons and a length of 95 m.

I remember that they are supposed to build that large catamaran much larger than the solmenai classes have they started on it yet I’m sure tha will definitely put to shame many of their current ships

 

[Immortals]

North Koreans think differently
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Technically that’s not on the helipad, they simply replaced the helipad hangar. Replacing the actual helipad with a VLS would require extending the superstructure further back to allow enough depth to fit the series of 6-12 foot missiles securely.

Furthermore, I wouldn’t use North Korea’s design choice as evidence. North Korea has a history of disregarding safety. Putting VLS that close to engine compartments is a liability and design flaw in my opinion. Any unintended explosion, would likely cut all power to engines, if not severely damage them.

 

[Flotilla]

Technically that’s not on the helipad, they simply replaced the helipad hangar. Replacing the actual helipad with a VLS would require extending the superstructure further back to allow enough depth to fit the series of 6-12 foot missiles securely.

Furthermore, I wouldn’t use North Korea’s design choice as evidence. North Korea has a history of disregarding safety. Putting VLS that close to engine compartments is a liability and design flaw in my opinion. Any unintended explosion, would likely cut all power to engines, if not severely damage them.

The only (real problem) would be again make unsuitable the helicopter operations aboard. And ASW require at least capability of using helicopters with sonobuoys and radar. But again, IRIN has so few helicopters with these systems that really wouldn't make difference. All in all Mowj class have reached clearly their límit. And IRIN should jump to a bigger hull like that of DPKR.

 

[ToddE]

The only (real problem) would be again make unsuitable the helicopter operations aboard. And ASW require at least capability of using helicopters with sonobuoys and radar. But again, IRIN has so few helicopters with these systems that really wouldn't make difference. All in all Mowj class have reached clearly their límit. And IRIN should jump to a bigger hull like that of DPKR.

MOWJ class has become to IRIN what local F-5 have been to IRIAF. There are 10 of these (7 Mowjs and 3 Alvands). They are OK frigates. IRIN should move to newer larger designs. IRGCN has plans for 10-12 Soleimanis. IRIN can get enlarged ones. They have massive firepower for their size which can become destroyer like if enlarged to Mowj displacement. Both navies have massive shortcomings.

(A) Submarines: Fateh class is delayed, Ghadir class is useless outside PG, Besat is nowhere near completion. Planners should get TOT from China or Russia ASAP otherwise copy Kilo locally. We are legging behind massively in submarine department. SLBM capability should be thought of as well for second strike capability.

(B) Aircover, IRIN+IRGCN vessels are sitting ducks without aircover in Persian Gulf. In case of war anyone can shoot AShCM at vessels from distance and run back. Three four squadrons of aircraft, even if they are not top of the line should either be procured or upgraded/rebuilt locally to provide this badly needed aircover.

 

[Flotilla]

(A) Submarines: Fateh class is delayed, Ghadir class is useless outside PG, Besat is nowhere near completion. Planners should get TOT from China or Russia ASAP otherwise copy Kilo locally. We are legging behind massively in submarine department. SLBM capability should be thought of as well for second strike capability.

Completely agreed.

For combat operations Fateh class is a must. At least the two in construction would give IRIN much more credibility in combat.

Mowj are useful and needed as a intermediate stage to a blue water navy. But no real combat capability against peer adversaries.

 

[sahureka2]

MOWJ class has become to IRIN what local F-5 have been to IRIAF. There are 10 of these (7 Mowjs and 3 Alvands). They are OK frigates. IRIN should move to newer larger designs. IRGCN has plans for 10-12 Soleimanis. IRIN can get enlarged ones. They have massive firepower for their size which can become destroyer like if enlarged to Mowj displacement. Both navies have massive shortcomings.

(A) Submarines: Fateh class is delayed, Ghadir class is useless outside PG, Besat is nowhere near completion. Planners should get TOT from China or Russia ASAP otherwise copy Kilo locally. We are legging behind massively in submarine department. SLBM capability should be thought of as well for second strike capability.

(B) Aircover, IRIN+IRGCN vessels are sitting ducks without aircover in Persian Gulf. In case of war anyone can shoot AShCM at vessels from distance and run back. Three four squadrons of aircraft, even if they are not top of the line should either be procured or upgraded/rebuilt locally to provide this badly needed aircover.

(A) Conventionally powered submarines like the Kilo class or the future Besat will certainly be deployed in blue waters, allowing them to remain for extended periods away from national or friendly ports and as close as possible to those of potential adversaries. This is not so much to engage in battle, but to ensure, in peacetime or, better yet, during times of crisis, that less friendly nations must maintain their naval forces to "monitor" these Iranian submarines close to home.
To achieve this goal, it is essential to have ships capable of supporting and resupplying them; they can be part of the commercial or military fleet.
I believe, indeed, I hope, that the Makran and Kordestan ships are already equipped for this type of mission.