Iranian Nuclear Doctrine

Persian Gulf said:
DPRK never had similar situation of MEK traitors with so much power

and you cannot compare DPRK society to Iranian society or government, they are totally different
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There might be ideological difference but the goal would the same, namely survival as an independent state. DPRK acted decisively to achieve that, but Iran unfortunately didn't.

I not familiar with iranian internal politic and MEK and other terrorist groups, but surely DPRK's program must have been known, either through espionage or satellite imagery etc., just like Iran's was known. But DPRK decided to push forward no matter what.

I do recall from long ago the arrogant comments of westerners (mostly americans likely) about how they don't even need to lift a finger because Russia and China will invade DPRK and depose Kim for them if they ever develop nukes. Or it will be so easy for the mighty american army to just march into DPRK with little fear and bring "freedom", if they ever look to be developing nukes.

We can see how that turned out today.
 
Persian Gulf said:
up until 2003 arguably yes via the Amad Plan

but then it was exposed before it could be completed and the weight of the US and UNSC (with Russian and Chinese support, unfortunately) fell on IRI and they had to abandon it for fear of military action when the military was weak
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I was asking a more grander question. Why the world got against IRI getting the nuclear weapons at first place? If you keep seeking attention of the superpowers saying we will destroy Israel every day, knowing that Jews run the globe, then attention will come to you and it did. Had IRI been politically intellectual enough they would have kept their mouth shut. IRI and US were kinetic and non kinetic allies in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Natanz was not unknown to US, its a joke. US sats could pick Apartheid SA+Israeli Vega tests in broad sea but we are to believe they would not know about the existence of Natanz or fission devices are being made in Iran some 30 years later? The reason they kept quite because Iran was irrelevant . That was the time Iran could have turned the political tide in its favor and moved towards weaponization quietly without blabbering about destroying Israel 24/7. Khatami era and later early 2000s was the perfect time for Iran. Even Israel was trying to normalize things with Iran, remember the Yazdi Persian Presiden of Israel who shook Khatamis hands and talked to him about his childhood in Iran. Thats a intelligence run country, nothing is done without keeping political gestures in mind.

Instead, because of stupid speeches and policies, these people allowed the politicization of nuclear program to the point that within few years Iranian national security was on the dialogue table as a bargaining chip.

Persian Gulf said:
the fatwa was a naive decision. it is difficult to reconcile Khamenei's (presumed) support for Project Amad with his apparently sincere opposition to WMD (including in the Imposed War). either way, they are naive in diplomacy that's for sure
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Khomeini was sincere in his fatwas. Nuclear program weaponisation hints started post his death. Khamenei the weak had no POV on it. He later played internal politics using it as a chip and is still doing the same.

Persian Gulf said:
agreed except the nuclear supply chain is now so deeply and continuously (and voluntarily) infiltrated and monitored that this is not really a feasible option unless we withdraw from NPT and kick out the IAEA inspectors, which would surely trigger a war
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War is here, we nuke up or not.
 
Could they at least make some last minute dirty bombs with the HEU they have? How many from 300kg? Or at least some workable and deliverable nuclear devices from that quantity of HEU?
 
mack8 said:
There might be ideological difference but the goal would the same, namely survival as an independent state. DPRK acted decisively to achieve that, but Iran unfortunately didn't.

I not familiar with iranian internal politic and MEK and other terrorist groups, but surely DPRK's program must have been known, either through espionage or satellite imagery etc., just like Iran's was known. But DPRK decided to push forward no matter what.

I do recall from long ago the arrogant comments of westerners (mostly americans likely) about how they don't even need to lift a finger because Russia and China will invade DPRK and depose Kim for them if they ever develop nukes. Or it will be so easy for the mighty american army to just march into DPRK with little fear and bring "freedom", if they ever look to be developing nukes.

We can see how that turned out today.
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IRI leadership never took nuclearization seriously or tied the national security to it like others did. Like I said before they are illiterate religious zealots who rode on the marxist revolutionary tide to the throne, backed by west which was scared of SSR-Iran, another East Germany, China or Yugoslavia only 10 times more energy rich and fertile. Who can forget Khomeini coming out of a French plane. They never had any political training or understanding of the world.

Even today some IRGC sycophant will show them some Ghadr MRBMs in an undeground base and Mullahs will think it will secure Iran. Their focus has always been internal politics.
 
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mack8 said:
Could they at least make some last minute dirty bombs with the HEU they have? How many from 300kg? Or at least some workable and deliverable nuclear devices from that quantity of HEU?
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30-40 tactical devices (90% WGU) can be made within 1.5-2 weeks from ~300 KG enriched quantities if IR-4M and IR-8 cascades are used 24/7. They can be used to take out bases, dams, industrial zones, ports, Aircraft carriers etc. Thats the theory.
 
Emirzad said:
I was asking a more grander question. Why the world got against IRI getting the nuclear weapons at first place? If you keep seeking attention of the superpowers saying we will destroy Israel every day, knowing that Jews run the globe, then attention will come to you and it did. Had IRI been politically intellectual enough they would have kept their mouth shut. IRI and US were kinetic and non kinetic allies in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Natanz was not unknown to US, its a joke. US sats could pick Apartheid SA+Israeli Vega tests in broad sea but we are to believe they would not know about the existence of Natanz or fission devices are being made in Iran some 30 years later? The reason they kept quite because Iran was irrelevant . That was the time Iran could have turned the political tide in its favor and moved towards weaponization quietly without blabbering about destroying Israel 24/7. Khatami era and later early 2000s was the perfect time for Iran. Even Israel was trying to normalize things with Iran, remember the Yazdi Persian Presiden of Israel who shook Khatamis hands and talked to him about his childhood in Iran. Thats a intelligence run country, nothing is done without keeping political gestures in mind.

Instead, because of stupid speeches and policies, these people allowed the politicization of nuclear program to the point that within few years Iranian national security was on the dialogue table as a bargaining chip.



Khomeini was sincere in his fatwas. Nuclear program weaponisation hints started post his death. Khamenei the weak had no POV on it. He later played internal politics using it as a chip and is still doing the same.



War is here, we nuke up or not.
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Even during shah time they were against Iranian nuclear programs

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Emirzad said:
Not sure what your definition of destroyed is but here is what has happened to Iran:

Currency ruined (Shahi Rial = 142 USDs lol, do you know the current exchange)
Economy is halved (Iran was poised to have a 4 Trillion USD GDP in 2010s)
Society ruined/Brain Drain (54 % STEM grads of Iran leave)
Government massacres its own citizens (~500 died in last crackdown)
No one does business with Iran
Military is non nuclear, non ICBM bearing, IRIAF is shit, country relies upon missile forces and IADS like a 3rd world military.

If this is what "standing" means than you need help. Only reason Iran has not been attacked by US/NATO is because them not deciding to do so. If they do, nothing can stop them. Even if IRGC lobs few K-4 or Sejjils at Diego Garcia, it wont stop them.

Had Iran been nuclear armed to teeth with ICBMS today with international giants tied to its worlds second largest Hydrocarbon sector, things would be different. Enemy would think 10 times attacking an armed to teeth Energy Giant which can easily hurt them/allies back but it being tangled in war would have meant international Jews losing money like pee which they hate. But Khamenei is Fateh Ali Shah Qajar re-born, he does not care as long as his Hojatti shits are sitting in Majles spreading lies of "Strength" to public.
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You should send this text of yours to the Jewish-Zionist elite—the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Morgans, BlackRock, and Netanyahu—since you have confidential information proving Iran is already defeated. That means they don’t need to waste billions more or keep killing women and children in Gaza or bombing cancer hospitals in Yemen.
 
Emirzad said:
Why the world got against IRI getting the nuclear weapons at first place?
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The world is not against nuclear weapons in Iran—this is a mass manipulation strategy called 'MANUFACTURING CONSENT.' You use YOUR MEDIA to make people believe that the majority think WHAT YOU WANT them to think. In reality, most people actually support Iran having nuclear weapons, even in Brazil (I'm Brazilian), a country heavily dominated by the US/Israel, it’s common to hear people on podcasts saying, 'Iran should have nuclear weapons'—this is a widespread opinion here, and in much of the world, it’s the same.
 
Bharatah said:
The world is not against nuclear weapons in Iran—this is a mass manipulation strategy called 'MANUFACTURING CONSENT.' You use YOUR MEDIA to make people believe that the majority think WHAT YOU WANT them to think. In reality, most people actually support Iran having nuclear weapons, even in Brazil (I'm Brazilian), a country heavily dominated by the US/Israel, it’s common to hear people on podcasts saying, 'Iran should have nuclear weapons'—this is a widespread opinion here, and in much of the world, it’s the same.
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People on streets do not make decisions, politicians and their funders do. Western governments do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons because they think nuclear armed IRI will put Israel and PGCC (& petro USD) in strategic danger and most of these governments are run on credit from Anglo-American Evangleical+Jew owned or influenced corps. Ayatollahs have ensured that by talking about it in public 24/7 for decades. Sometimes it feels like Ayatollahs have been forced upon Iran to make sure that Iran never achieves its rightful place in global packing order.
 
Good speech from fereydoun abbasi:

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