Iranian President Raisi and Foreign Minister Abdollahian die in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan

[TallGuy]

the helicopter had 9 on board it was designed for 15 with equipment
path was correct , the altitude probably not , it was bad weather and in the bad weather atmospheric pressure suddenly fall and in that situation altimeter show higher altitude. so i believe they were flying lower than what they taught they were flying.
performance , the helicopter was perfectly in it performance parameter and was able to fly higher as two other helicopter show that.
here one thing raise question for me , in television when they described the flight they said they entered the cloud and for reduced visibility they decided to raise altitude and when they went over cloud they saw one helicopter is missing , i believe the mistake was entering the clouds and deciding to raise altitude instead of raising it before entering it and virtually become blind

I for one firmly believe this is ASSASINATION not as ACCIDENT and i am sure Iranian authorities know this.

crash is vertical not horizontal. you comments above suggest its controled flight in to terrain. which is not.

lots and lots of questions? innocent questions

1. there were three helicopters for starters. it was just one any proof of two other helicopters? there is none.

2. i bet the my doller the pilot is not a some anybody! he was chosen to fly VVIP flight they know how to operate if emergency happens. why the calls of Pilot are not released.

if there was a technical fault he would declared emergency on Gaurd channel and if he was hit he would have done the same.

There was a survivor who had enough presence of mind to call from the crash site..why this information and conversation is not yet released?

Iranian authority knows there has been a successful assassination of there president. things will blow in 3-4 days. once the wreckage is forensically checked and traces of SAM is found.

They are looking for evidence.

 

[gambit]

I for one firmly believe this is ASSASINATION not as ACCIDENT and i am sure Iranian authorities know this.

Assassination how?

1. there were three helicopters for starters. it was just one any proof of two other helicopters? there is none.

Then read this...

Iranian President Raisi and Foreign Minister Abdollahian die in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan

How do you manage to turn it into Iran vs Pakistan ? :oops: Incident happened in as far as it could away from Pakistan border.

defencepk.com

Interviewer: So there was no fog?​

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Esmaili: Not at all. There was fog on the ground, but not in up the air where we were advancing with the helicopters. However in one small compacted area, there was a small patch of clouds above a cliff. In terms of height, this cloud was on the same height as our flight’s height.​

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It was there when the now-martyred helicopter pilot, who was also the commander of the fleet, that told the rest of the pilots to ascend above the clouds. We were the 3rd pilot, behind the president’s helicopter. We came above the clouds, we advanced for approximately 30 seconds. Our pilot suddenly realised that the main helicopter carrying the president is missing.​

Note the highlighted.

The mission commander, who was the pilot for the president's helo, ordered the other two helos to climb above the ceiling (clouds). They obeyed. Then they did not see the president's helo.

So, if this is an assassination, how?

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Assassination how?


Then read this...

Iranian President Raisi and Foreign Minister Abdollahian die in helicopter crash in East Azerbaijan

How do you manage to turn it into Iran vs Pakistan ? :oops: Incident happened in as far as it could away from Pakistan border.

defencepk.com

Interviewer: So there was no fog?​

​

Esmaili: Not at all. There was fog on the ground, but not in up the air where we were advancing with the helicopters. However in one small compacted area, there was a small patch of clouds above a cliff. In terms of height, this cloud was on the same height as our flight’s height.​

​

It was there when the now-martyred helicopter pilot, who was also the commander of the fleet, that told the rest of the pilots to ascend above the clouds. We were the 3rd pilot, behind the president’s helicopter. We came above the clouds, we advanced for approximately 30 seconds. Our pilot suddenly realised that the main helicopter carrying the president is missing.​

Note the highlighted.

The mission commander, who was the pilot for the president's helo, ordered the other two helos to climb above the ceiling (clouds). They obeyed. Then they did not see the president's helo.

So, if this is an assassination, how?

If we call this is assassination then it's through bad planning, not the otherwise.

Also some points from Esmaili interview that:
Everything Happened Quickly and probably it is vertical free-fall.
Imam were in shock state at the time of call.
He picked phone of pilot not his.
He might have fall early from helicopter before crash or helicopter gets fire later.

 

[Hack-Hook]

I for one firmly believe this is ASSASINATION not as ACCIDENT and i am sure Iranian authorities know this.

crash is vertical not horizontal. you comments above suggest its controled flight in to terrain. which is not.

lots and lots of questions? innocent questions

1. there were three helicopters for starters. it was just one any proof of two other helicopters? there is none.

2. i bet the my doller the pilot is not a some anybody! he was chosen to fly VVIP flight they know how to operate if emergency happens. why the calls of Pilot are not released.

if there was a technical fault he would declared emergency on Gaurd channel and if he was hit he would have done the same.

There was a survivor who had enough presence of mind to call from the crash site..why this information and conversation is not yet released?

Iranian authority knows there has been a successful assassination of there president. things will blow in 3-4 days. once the wreckage is forensically checked and traces of SAM is found.

They are looking for evidence.

I hope this answer the conspiracy theories
this is where they hit mountain

and 3d rendering of area


so no it was not vertical crash and Al-Jazeera simulation is just bullshit , it simply hit the summit near the top of mountain
and this is the remain of helicopter



you see the tail is separated and intact , that cause the disaster , helicopter rely in the tail not to rotate around itself. they hit the mountain , the tail separated which is typical of the situation , then the remain begin to rotate around itself because of the rotors movement and as a result it disintegrated and exploded
and unless evidence show anything else that is the likely scenario and everything else conspiracy theories

by the way for the people who say why only one helicopter crash and not all 3 your answer is
1st those two helicopter were more powerful and probably managed to ascend faster
2nd for reducing the chance of any incident helicopter don't fly in line they flight in different path and altitude, just think in 3d not 2d

 

[Hack-Hook]

If we call this is assassination then it's through bad planning, not the otherwise.

Also some points from Esmaili interview that:
Everything Happened Quickly and probably it is vertical free-fall.
Imam were in shock state at the time of call.
He picked phone of pilot not his.
He might have fall early from helicopter before crash or helicopter gets fire later.

no it was not vertical free fall , it was a textbook hitting mountain

 

[OldTwilight]

As wee saw , even our president did used what civilization sector using ...
he didn't see himself above others and use special device for his safety and comfort

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

As wee saw , even our president did used what civilization sector using ...
he didn't see himself above others and use special device for his safety and comfort

Honestly Speaking, Safety and Comfort/show-off are two different things. Simplicity is a great character of Iranian leadership while not having enough safety measure is showing irresponsible people and followers of leadership. I am not good in choice of word, Don't take it negative. Try to get what i want to say.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

I hope this answer the conspiracy theories
this is where they hit mountain
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and 3d rendering of area
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so no it was not vertical crash and Al-Jazeera simulation is just bullshit , it simply hit the summit near the top of mountain
and this is the remain of helicopter
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you see the tail is separated and intact , that cause the disaster , helicopter rely in the tail not to rotate around itself. they hit the mountain , the tail separated which is typical of the situation , then the remain begin to rotate around itself because of the rotors movement and as a result it disintegrated and exploded
and unless evidence show anything else that is the likely scenario and everything else conspiracy theories

by the way for the people who say why only one helicopter crash and not all 3 your answer is
1st those two helicopter were more powerful and probably managed to ascend faster
2nd for reducing the chance of any incident helicopter don't fly in line they flight in different path and altitude, just think in 3d not 2d

I don't think anyone disputes the location or the fact that the tail seperated. You will need to show evidence that the tail seperated as a result of "hitting the mountain". Otherwise you're also peddling conspiracy. The question remains how this happened and why the President and Foreign Minister were placed in "less powerful" choppers. Sorry, but your evidence is lacking.

 

[gambit]

If we call this is assassination then it's through bad planning, not the otherwise.

So a Mossad agent, over yrs, managed to embed himself into the presidential transport fleet. Wait until the right time, somehow convinced this particular mission commander to risk flying in inclement weather, then for good measure, sabotaged the helo as well.

Got it...

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

So a Mossad agent, over yrs, managed to embed himself into the presidential transport fleet. Wait until the right time, somehow convinced this particular mission commander to risk flying in inclement weather, then for good measure, sabotaged the helo as well.

Got it...

You got me wrong dear, I am not saying it is done by mossad, I am saying the bad mission planning or negligence in planning which cause this accident is equivalent to assassination.

 

[gambit]

I don't think anyone disputes the location or the fact that the tail seperated. You will need to show evidence that the tail seperated as a result of "hitting the mountain". Otherwise you're also peddling conspiracy. The question remains how this happened and why the President and Foreign Minister were placed in "less powerful" choppers. Sorry, but your evidence is lacking.

Sure...

Controlled Flight into Terrain: Bell UH-1H Iroquois, N658H, fatal accident occurred January 17, 2018 in Raton, Colfax County, New Mexico

View looking towards the initial impact site. Close-up view looking towards the initial impact site. View looking towards RTN fr...

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You can see part of the tail rotor assembly intact enough to recognize it.

 

[gambit]

You got me wrong dear, I am not saying it is done by mossad, I am saying the bad mission planning or negligence in planning is equivalent to assassination.

An assassination is a DELIBERATE act. Negligence or incompetence are not.

 

[abdulhaadi1988]

Sure...

Controlled Flight into Terrain: Bell UH-1H Iroquois, N658H, fatal accident occurred January 17, 2018 in Raton, Colfax County, New Mexico

View looking towards the initial impact site. Close-up view looking towards the initial impact site. View looking towards RTN fr...

www.kathrynsreport.com

You can see part of the tail rotor assembly intact enough to recognize it.

Umm no, you would need to show footage of it hitting the mountain for that to hold weight. Also you say it's controlled, doesnt that mean intentional?

 

[Hack-Hook]

I don't think anyone disputes the location or the fact that the tail seperated. You will need to show evidence that the tail seperated as a result of "hitting the mountain". Otherwise you're also peddling conspiracy. The question remains how this happened and why the President and Foreign Minister were places in "less powerful" choppers. Sorry, but your evidence is lacking.

honestly look at were it hit , the summit near the peak , a tipical hitting mountain
also the fact that no emergency warning or may day issued no danger alarm heard on other helicopters shows it was not a vertical fall and since last second every thing was ok . don't forget the helicopter were in contact with each other .
all point to sudden destruction and here the only probable scenario is hitting mountain , they were too low between mountain top to be able to be targeted by Air-defense equipment inside Azerbaijan so goes that conspiracy theory .
there was no mayday so go away your vertical fall theory and helicopter mall-function
and here is another case of airplane hit mountain just several years ago in Iran when a civilian airplane belong to Aseman air line hit mountain around yasouj , se where that airplane hit mountain

 

[gambit]

Umm no, you would need to show footage of it hitting the mountain for that to hold weight. Also you say it's controlled, doesnt that mean intentional?

So now you want the actual flight video of the crash. Since that is not possible, might as well call it an assassination, right?