IRGC-ASF launches missile strikes against anti-Iran terrorists in Pakistan, Iraq and Syria - Pakistan responds

[Taimoor]

You raise a good point.

This in strategic terms is a net negative for Iran. Imagine what US and Israel would be thinking in terms of repercussions if they were to attack Iran. Can the US, Israel control the escalation ladder in the scenario of an attack.

The IRGC have certainly hurt Iran.

IRGC own reputation is in mud now, there were making rather outlandish claims after their missile strike.

What is more interesting, Pakistan choose to use primarily the airstrikes, which is rather "more in your face" response then just lobbing some missiles. Iranian Air force/air defence was no where to be seen. And this will be, more likely the mode of strike if anyone choose to hit Iran in future.

 

[Tehrani021]

A very proportionate response from Pakistan, all things considered. We have the right to defend ourselves from Iranian aggression. Seems the common thread with all these conflicts is Iran right now. You are a rouge state with bad friends and are playing a very dangerous game.

Be warmed!!

Well in justice if someone attacks your mother, you don't attack their mother you go after the one who attacked your mother. Pakistan should have attacked IRGC if you use that basic logic, but chose not to, so it was definitely a de-escalatory strike than proportionate. Can you imagine if Iran wasnt there resisting, the whole region would be a secular pro-western dungeon, debauchery everywhere and all Muslims would be oppressed until they relinquish their faith. Iran restores some balance of power, and this is the way Allah works. It is a badge of honour to have pro-western secular folks call us "rogue". Warned of what? Iran is being invited to BRICS and has very powerful allies as well.

 

[Tehrani021]

IRGC own reputation is in mud now, there were making rather outlandish claims after their missile strike.

What is more interesting, Pakistan choose to use primarily the airstrikes, which is rather "more in your face" response then just lobbing some missiles. Iranian Air force/air defence was no where to be seen. And this will be, more likely the mode of strike if anyone choose to hit Iran in future.

And where was Pakistani AD when Iran lobbed the missiles. What you dont understand is that neither country has expensive AD system just loitering around in that region. I think Iran also did that when it hit Pakistan. Both nations have the ability to do this, something that we already knew. Question is will Pakistan and Iran work together or are more Pakistani Balochi terrorists going to kill more Iranians?

 

[Taimoor]

And where was Pakistani AD when Iran lobbed the missiles. What you dont understand is that neither country has expensive AD system just loitering around in that region. I think Iran also did that when it hit Pakistan. Both nations have the ability to do this, something that we already knew. Question is will Pakistan and Iran work together or are more Pakistani Balochi terrorists going to kill more Iranians?

To intercept ballistic missiles in uninhabited large area, even super powers cant afford such luxury. Thats why I said that PAF was the primary strike option Pakistan chose. Which in turn means that Iran should have enough time to pick up jets approaching its border, However, Iranian air forces was no where to be seen. Either they choose to remain docile or they were just blinded.

 

[Tehrani021]

To intercept ballistic missiles in uninhabited large area, even super powers cant afford such luxury. Thats why I said that PAF was the primary strike option Pakistan chose. Which in turn means that Iran should have enough time to pick up jets approaching its border, However, Iranian air forces was no where to be seen. Either they choose to remain docile or they were just blinded.

Because Iran had no interest to shoot down PAF airforce who they knew wouldn't dare attack IRGC, refineries or any major City. IADS would have dealt with them had they moved beyond Balochistan into their range. I personally think this was all planned before hand and is a show but that's my opinion.

 

[Taimoor]

Because Iran had no interest to shoot down PAF airforce who they knew wouldn't dare attack IRGC, refineries or any major City. IADS would have dealt with them had they moved beyond Balochistan into their range. I personally think this was all planned before hand and is a show but that's my opinion.

Again you are missing the point. Pakistan was surprised and wasn't expecting Iranian action, Iran however knew and been warned that Pakistan will retaliate. If you are happy the IRGC was not bombed but Iran did, then its cool. I hope Iran remain docile if in future we need to conduct further strikes on terrorists hide outs.

 

[tsunset]

There is no AD in this zone both from Pakistan and Iran, fighters don't intercepted BMs, as it is an unusual zone to be threatened from, AD must be saved for real threats, not for a 2 day mascarade which ended in excuses

Pakistan probably saves its AD for threats like India, but PADS probably detected the missiles with radars, and this was also a surprise no one in Pakistan would have thought of

Same for Iran

If Iran had shot on PAF fighters (and potentially killing their pilots in the process which is the worst thing to do for Iran), there would be immediately a wider conflict and this would be an open declaration of war, better concentrating on terrorists than trying to shut down PAF jets that are bombing the exact same persons

This would be like Pakistan using MRLS on an IRGC base or IRGC launching missiles at Pak army/govt infrastructure, this is a declaration of war to the government and would have lead to war

People talk of "civilized nations", but at the end it de-escalated very quickly

What is important is how Iran and Pakistan will deal with these people without doing such things

 

[Tehrani021]

Again you are missing the point. Pakistan was surprised and wasn't expecting Iranian action, Iran however knew and been warned that Pakistan will retaliate. If you are happy the IRGC was not bombed but Iran did, then its cool. I hope Iran remain docile if in future we need to conduct further strikes on terrorists hide outs.

Pakistan didn't forewarn Iran either since Iran summoned the Pak charge affair for explanation. I would argue Iran technically wasn't bombed either, as that region is a seperatist balochi enclave which is ungoverened and out of control, and to be honest with you Iran didn't technically hit Pakistan either for the same reasons. If that's your conclusion instead of agreeing to cooperate with Iran then it proves that you are not serious about fighting terrorism and want to just flex muscles when your pride is hurt. Some things never change though.

 

[Olympus81]

The fact that Iran wasnt attacked shows that IRGC aren't to be messed with. That's what I got from it.

A foreign country attacked Iran’s territory The same way Pakistan was, a day earlier.

Does not look good, any way one looks at it.

 

[Tehrani021]

A foreign country attacked Iran’s territory The same way Pakistan was, a day earlier.

Does not look good, any way one looks at it.

I think what looks worse is we have terrorists on both sides of the border with neither country doing enough to stop them, and instead of working together they politicise it and point fingers.

 

[Meengla]

Question is will Pakistan and Iran work together or are more Pakistani Balochi terrorists going to kill more Iranians?

Please don't use the garbage logic like the Israelis do. The border between Iran and Pakistan is very long with multiple points for the terrorists from both sides to infiltrate. Pakistan's border resources are focused against a powerful neighbor to the east of Pakistan, followed by the terrorists against what is coming in Afghanistan. There is very little Pakistan can spare to further secure the border with Iran, given the size/complexity of the border and Pakistan's limited resources.

The border issues between Pakistan and Iran are manageable there is probably even some convergence of interests taking out the separatists in that region. As I said above, while there had been skirmishes before spanning many years, but Iran launching missiles into Pakistan was crossing a red line. A very stupid, cruel mistake. Pakistan had no choice but to respond in kind.

BTW, you need to question the hotheads in your leadership. Already embroiled in an expanding war to your west and with possible intrusion of spies or whatnot from Azerbaijan to your north and yet you did this stupid attack to your east over something which was basically pinprick between the two countries for decades.

 

[Taimoor]

Pakistan didn't forewarn Iran either since Iran summoned the Pak charge affair for explanation. I would argue Iran technically wasn't bombed either, as that region is a seperatist balochi enclave which is ungoverened and out of control, and to be honest with you Iran didn't technically hit Pakistan either for the same reasons. If that's your conclusion instead of agreeing to cooperate with Iran then it proves that you are not serious about fighting terrorism and want to just flex muscles when your pride is hurt. Some things never change though.

We warned Iran that we will retaliate, it was all in public. We didnt act in secrecy or backstabbed when no one was expecting.
"Technically not Iran", wow thats something very interesting. So you guys do not consider that territory as yours? We have no such interpretation about our Baluchistan.

 

[Tehrani021]

We warned Iran that we will retaliate, it was all in public. We didnt act in secrecy or backstabbed when no one was expecting.
"Technically not Iran", wow thats something very interesting. So you guys do not consider that territory as yours? We have no such interpretation about our Baluchistan.

Yes but you didnt say when, how and where, so obviously the Iranians wouldn't have had the chance to prepare for it if that was the intention to stop the attack. Yes it is technically our land if you look on a map, but if it's ungoverened and full of terrorists killing both our soldiers, then you can lie to yourself all you want. We obviously had enough gheyrat to hit BM into your territory to take these terrorists, as did you in your response.

 

[Tehrani021]

Please don't use the garbage logic like the Israelis do. The border between Iran and Pakistan is very long with multiple points for the terrorists from both sides to infiltrate. Pakistan's border resources are focused against a powerful neighbor to the east of Pakistan, followed by the terrorists against what is coming in Afghanistan. There is very little Pakistan can spare to further secure the border with Iran, given the size/complexity of the border and Pakistan's limited resources.

The border issues between Pakistan and Iran are manageable there is probably even some convergence of interests taking out the separatists in that region. As I said above, while there had been skirmishes before spanning many years, but Iran launching missiles into Pakistan was crossing a red line. A very stupid, cruel mistake. Pakistan had no choice but to respond in kind.

BTW, you need to question the hotheads in your leadership. Already embroiled in an expanding war to your west and with possible intrusion of spies or whatnot from Azerbaijan to your north and yet you did this stupid attack to your east over something which was basically pinprick between the two countries for decades.

I dont speak to pro-western backstabbers here. Maybe you don't have gheyrat for your soldiers getting killed hence why you think its "manageable" but we dont share this view about our blood, hence why we took drastic measures. If you cant control your borders then don't complain when someone else does it for you. But I dont believe this nonesense about not having the resources, you proved that you do have them but don't use them unless Iran attacked your territory which hurt your pride. The fact is Iran is doing more to help Muslims suffering at the hands of the kuffar than Pakistan, but I can tell I'm talking to someone who doesn't give a damn about this, so this is my last reply to you and Allah will deal with your kind.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran striked Pakistan territory first and Pakistan replied back, both states didn't attack each other military but as claimed terrorist groups. PDF members from Iran and Pakistan need to calm down, and move on. Don't forget Gaza, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Lebanon and beware of Indian fake accounts and trolls lighting the flame.

Pakistan and Iran are brotherly nations, we have a great relationship, yes some issues are there but that is normal for this region, with all the militancy, Afghan wars, extremism, both nations are bound to face attacks at some point. Both are powerful nations with own interests but they have never been enemies, when Iran was under Shah both nations had good relations, now under the Ayatollahs we still have good relations, despite foreign pressure, blackmail we are still good neighbours.

Sensible and mature post. Kudos