Is India Relevant?

[nahtanbob]

The latest? To ease tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbors, Pakistan has once again advocated for the normalization of relations with India but not before outlining its oft-repeated conditions including ‘a just and peaceful resolution of the long-standing Jammu and Kashmir dispute’. Seeking ‘good-neighborly relations with India on the basis of mutual respect and sovereign equality’ is nothing more than a formality or perhaps a ‘diplomatic need’ Pakistan feels obliged to meet. To pointlessly expect India to take a ‘collective action to address pressing challenges rather than perpetuating a cycle of hostility’ is indeed an exercise in futility – and Islamabad knows it.

First, the basics. How is India relevant to Pakistan? Can India assist in addressing Pakistan’s grave economic issues in any possible way? Can India help in improving Pakistan’s human development indices, unemployment, and illiteracy? Can India help Pakistan in getting rid of IPPs? Can India assist in attracting FDIs for the SIFC? Will there be a joint India-Pakistan Commission to eradicate poverty, extremism, and terrorism from the region? Will India convince the US to let the Pak-Iran gas pipeline project succeed?

By any stretch of the imagination, will India accept that in 1947, the other independent and sovereign country that came into being was Pakistan? Can India exclude Pakistan from its philosophically inspired dream of Akhand Bharat? Can India accept Sino-Pak strategic relations as a fact? Will India support Pakistan in establishing EPZs for CPEC? More importantly, can India reverse its decisions of Aug 2019 and request the UN Security Council to hold a free and fair plebiscite for the people of Kashmir to decide their future? Will India help Pakistan in becoming a member of BRICS + so that travelling between Pakistan and India could be visa-free?

The quest continues. Will India ever agree to a nuclear-free South Asia? Will India help Pakistan in signing a nuclear deal with the US to enjoy what it is enjoying through the Indo-US nuclear deal? Does Pakistan expect any scientific and technological support from India? Will India ever wish to see a technologically advanced Pakistan? Will India and Pakistan ever hold joint military exercises to ‘deter’ a common enemy? Can India assist Pakistan in brokering a favorable deal with TTP? Can India strictly and perpetually abide by the Indus Waters Treaty? In short, can India stop considering Pakistan an enemy?

If the answer to all these questions is a flat no, why and how is India relevant to Pakistan?

Thinking outside the box, let us see the other side of the midnight as well. Let us dig deeper. Is it the ‘core’ issue that must be addressed and India’s cooperation is needed? Is it the past that keeps haunting Pakistan? Is there a psychological hangover upsetting Pakistan? Why co-existing peacefully is not important for India? Why can’t both countries follow the ‘live and let live’ approach? Does Pakistan fear an all-out onslaught from India that it must look in a perpetual appeasement mode? Why learning from history is so difficult for Pakistan? In short, what exactly it is that keeps India ‘relevant’ for Pakistan?

Calling terrorism an ‘industry’, FM Jaishankar would warn that ‘tolerance for any cross-border terrorism activity in India is very low’ adding that ‘if Pakistan winds down this industry that it has created, then people will treat them as a normal neighbor’. Never mind which kind of ‘industry’ is producing EU-DisinfoLab or Kulbhushan Yadav or creating an official apparatus to eliminate Hardeep Singh Nijjar and Gurpatwant Singh PannuN or causing grave concerns for Canada and the Five-Eyes while making bold headlines for sponsoring terrorism overseas. The fact remains: two wrongs do not make a right.

Letting both New Delhi and Islamabad to respond to each other’s ‘manufacturing’ abilities in one of the most abhorring fields, let us keep our focus on the subject and keep digging: What will the politicians of both countries sell during election campaigns if Pakistan and India became ‘normal’ neighbors? Who will be blamed if anything goes wrong at home? On the other hand, imagine a military syllabus without Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, Morgenthau and Chanakya? If the K and T words are eliminated from the South Asian strategic calculus, wouldn’t a classic chess game be transformed into a harmless game of ludo?

India is a smart enemy. It has done its homework properly and reached a pragmatic decision in principle at least for the foreseeable future - leave Pakistan to its own devices and let it suffer; ignore it openly, decisively and with contempt; and safeguard its own interests without expecting any good from its Western neighbor. This is what FM Jayshankar means when he says - Pakistan is irrelevant. Indeed, India has manifestly and unequivocally made its official position known to Pakistan. Maria Callas was not referring to Pak-India rigmarole when she observed - ‘When my enemies stop hissing, I shall know I am slipping’. However, the American opera singer had a point.

Way forward: Pakistan must analyze why it has been labelled as ‘irrelevant’ by its Eastern neighbor. Simultaneously, there is a need to reflect on India’s relevance to Pakistan particularly when the latter is in the process of putting its own house in order. Pakistan has spelled out its conditions for ‘normalization’. So has India. The buck may stop here. Meanwhile, Islamabad may try to come out of its apparent appeasing mode and adopt a ‘wait and see’ policy instead – at least till the time its Foreign Office is able to think beyond its pre-Aug 2019 brief on Pak-India relations. By denying a dialogue to Pakistan or refusing to normalize relations, India is making a strategic mistake it might regret later. By rebuffing Pakistan blatantly, India is committing a tactical error which might have ramifications in the long run. In this regard, for Islamabad, there is no harm in taking Napoleon Bonaparte’s wisdom - ‘Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.’

Najm us Saqib
The writer is a former Ambassador of Pakistan and author of eight books in three languages. He can be reached at najmussaqib1960@msn.com

 

[vsdoc]

Pakistan is what would have happened to India if we got just the northern Hindi gau belt instead of the western and southern states to drive growth, commerce, innovation and intellectualism.

Pakistan never had that strategic depth.

Cheers, Doc

 

[EugeneP]

The latest? To ease tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbors, Pakistan has once again advocated for the normalization of relations with India but not before outlining its oft-repeated conditions including ‘a just and peaceful resolution of the long-standing Jammu and Kashmir dispute’. Seeking ‘good-neighborly relations with India on the basis of mutual respect and sovereign equality’ is nothing more than a formality or perhaps a ‘diplomatic need’ Pakistan feels obliged to meet. To pointlessly expect India to take a ‘collective action to address pressing challenges rather than perpetuating a cycle of hostility’ is indeed an exercise in futility – and Islamabad knows it.

First, the basics. How is India relevant to Pakistan? Can India assist in addressing Pakistan’s grave economic issues in any possible way? Can India help in improving Pakistan’s human development indices, unemployment, and illiteracy? Can India help Pakistan in getting rid of IPPs? Can India assist in attracting FDIs for the SIFC? Will there be a joint India-Pakistan Commission to eradicate poverty, extremism, and terrorism from the region? Will India convince the US to let the Pak-Iran gas pipeline project succeed?

By any stretch of the imagination, will India accept that in 1947, the other independent and sovereign country that came into being was Pakistan? Can India exclude Pakistan from its philosophically inspired dream of Akhand Bharat? Can India accept Sino-Pak strategic relations as a fact? Will India support Pakistan in establishing EPZs for CPEC? More importantly, can India reverse its decisions of Aug 2019 and request the UN Security Council to hold a free and fair plebiscite for the people of Kashmir to decide their future? Will India help Pakistan in becoming a member of BRICS + so that travelling between Pakistan and India could be visa-free?

The quest continues. Will India ever agree to a nuclear-free South Asia? Will India help Pakistan in signing a nuclear deal with the US to enjoy what it is enjoying through the Indo-US nuclear deal? Does Pakistan expect any scientific and technological support from India? Will India ever wish to see a technologically advanced Pakistan? Will India and Pakistan ever hold joint military exercises to ‘deter’ a common enemy? Can India assist Pakistan in brokering a favorable deal with TTP? Can India strictly and perpetually abide by the Indus Waters Treaty? In short, can India stop considering Pakistan an enemy?

If the answer to all these questions is a flat no, why and how is India relevant to Pakistan?

Thinking outside the box, let us see the other side of the midnight as well. Let us dig deeper. Is it the ‘core’ issue that must be addressed and India’s cooperation is needed? Is it the past that keeps haunting Pakistan? Is there a psychological hangover upsetting Pakistan? Why co-existing peacefully is not important for India? Why can’t both countries follow the ‘live and let live’ approach? Does Pakistan fear an all-out onslaught from India that it must look in a perpetual appeasement mode? Why learning from history is so difficult for Pakistan? In short, what exactly it is that keeps India ‘relevant’ for Pakistan?

Calling terrorism an ‘industry’, FM Jaishankar would warn that ‘tolerance for any cross-border terrorism activity in India is very low’ adding that ‘if Pakistan winds down this industry that it has created, then people will treat them as a normal neighbor’. Never mind which kind of ‘industry’ is producing EU-DisinfoLab or Kulbhushan Yadav or creating an official apparatus to eliminate Hardeep Singh Nijjar and Gurpatwant Singh PannuN or causing grave concerns for Canada and the Five-Eyes while making bold headlines for sponsoring terrorism overseas. The fact remains: two wrongs do not make a right.

Letting both New Delhi and Islamabad to respond to each other’s ‘manufacturing’ abilities in one of the most abhorring fields, let us keep our focus on the subject and keep digging: What will the politicians of both countries sell during election campaigns if Pakistan and India became ‘normal’ neighbors? Who will be blamed if anything goes wrong at home? On the other hand, imagine a military syllabus without Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, Morgenthau and Chanakya? If the K and T words are eliminated from the South Asian strategic calculus, wouldn’t a classic chess game be transformed into a harmless game of ludo?

India is a smart enemy. It has done its homework properly and reached a pragmatic decision in principle at least for the foreseeable future - leave Pakistan to its own devices and let it suffer; ignore it openly, decisively and with contempt; and safeguard its own interests without expecting any good from its Western neighbor. This is what FM Jayshankar means when he says - Pakistan is irrelevant. Indeed, India has manifestly and unequivocally made its official position known to Pakistan. Maria Callas was not referring to Pak-India rigmarole when she observed - ‘When my enemies stop hissing, I shall know I am slipping’. However, the American opera singer had a point.

Way forward: Pakistan must analyze why it has been labelled as ‘irrelevant’ by its Eastern neighbor. Simultaneously, there is a need to reflect on India’s relevance to Pakistan particularly when the latter is in the process of putting its own house in order. Pakistan has spelled out its conditions for ‘normalization’. So has India. The buck may stop here. Meanwhile, Islamabad may try to come out of its apparent appeasing mode and adopt a ‘wait and see’ policy instead – at least till the time its Foreign Office is able to think beyond its pre-Aug 2019 brief on Pak-India relations. By denying a dialogue to Pakistan or refusing to normalize relations, India is making a strategic mistake it might regret later. By rebuffing Pakistan blatantly, India is committing a tactical error which might have ramifications in the long run. In this regard, for Islamabad, there is no harm in taking Napoleon Bonaparte’s wisdom - ‘Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.’

Najm us Saqib
The writer is a former Ambassador of Pakistan and author of eight books in three languages. He can be reached at najmussaqib1960@msn.com

I think "cold peace" is the best strategy given all the constraints the author has stated. We co-existed with USSR for 45 years. It was difficult but not impossible.

 

[sumit_123]

Problem is India - Pakistan dialogue is a futile exercise, firstly who are we suppose to talk to civilian government? We know neither they are true representative of people nor they have the authority to deal with India independently, the center of power in Pakistan lies somewhere else and that entity has vested interest to not to be in peace with India. They want to keep scaring the people of Pakistan that big bad India is cause of all the problems and how we are the only defense else India would punish you.

For India the policy of ignore / overlook pakistan works just fine, not that India has any other option. Sometimes, good fences make good neighbors.

 

[vsdoc]

The elephant in the room is that Pakistan cannot and will not make peace and India can never be made irrelevant because Pakistan is ruled by an ecosystem that thrives on the absence of the former and needs the latter. For its continued raison d'etre. This thread is thus an exercise in walking around a room hoping, trying not to bump into a big black pachyderm.

Cheers, Doc

 

[mudit_ag]

The latest? To ease tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbors, Pakistan has once again advocated for the normalization of relations with India but not before outlining its oft-repeated conditions including ‘a just and peaceful resolution of the long-standing Jammu and Kashmir dispute’. Seeking ‘good-neighborly relations with India on the basis of mutual respect and sovereign equality’ is nothing more than a formality or perhaps a ‘diplomatic need’ Pakistan feels obliged to meet. To pointlessly expect India to take a ‘collective action to address pressing challenges rather than perpetuating a cycle of hostility’ is indeed an exercise in futility – and Islamabad knows it.

First, the basics. How is India relevant to Pakistan? Can India assist in addressing Pakistan’s grave economic issues in any possible way? Can India help in improving Pakistan’s human development indices, unemployment, and illiteracy? Can India help Pakistan in getting rid of IPPs? Can India assist in attracting FDIs for the SIFC? Will there be a joint India-Pakistan Commission to eradicate poverty, extremism, and terrorism from the region? Will India convince the US to let the Pak-Iran gas pipeline project succeed?

By any stretch of the imagination, will India accept that in 1947, the other independent and sovereign country that came into being was Pakistan? Can India exclude Pakistan from its philosophically inspired dream of Akhand Bharat? Can India accept Sino-Pak strategic relations as a fact? Will India support Pakistan in establishing EPZs for CPEC? More importantly, can India reverse its decisions of Aug 2019 and request the UN Security Council to hold a free and fair plebiscite for the people of Kashmir to decide their future? Will India help Pakistan in becoming a member of BRICS + so that travelling between Pakistan and India could be visa-free?

The quest continues. Will India ever agree to a nuclear-free South Asia? Will India help Pakistan in signing a nuclear deal with the US to enjoy what it is enjoying through the Indo-US nuclear deal? Does Pakistan expect any scientific and technological support from India? Will India ever wish to see a technologically advanced Pakistan? Will India and Pakistan ever hold joint military exercises to ‘deter’ a common enemy? Can India assist Pakistan in brokering a favorable deal with TTP? Can India strictly and perpetually abide by the Indus Waters Treaty? In short, can India stop considering Pakistan an enemy?

If the answer to all these questions is a flat no, why and how is India relevant to Pakistan?

Thinking outside the box, let us see the other side of the midnight as well. Let us dig deeper. Is it the ‘core’ issue that must be addressed and India’s cooperation is needed? Is it the past that keeps haunting Pakistan? Is there a psychological hangover upsetting Pakistan? Why co-existing peacefully is not important for India? Why can’t both countries follow the ‘live and let live’ approach? Does Pakistan fear an all-out onslaught from India that it must look in a perpetual appeasement mode? Why learning from history is so difficult for Pakistan? In short, what exactly it is that keeps India ‘relevant’ for Pakistan?

Calling terrorism an ‘industry’, FM Jaishankar would warn that ‘tolerance for any cross-border terrorism activity in India is very low’ adding that ‘if Pakistan winds down this industry that it has created, then people will treat them as a normal neighbor’. Never mind which kind of ‘industry’ is producing EU-DisinfoLab or Kulbhushan Yadav or creating an official apparatus to eliminate Hardeep Singh Nijjar and Gurpatwant Singh PannuN or causing grave concerns for Canada and the Five-Eyes while making bold headlines for sponsoring terrorism overseas. The fact remains: two wrongs do not make a right.

Letting both New Delhi and Islamabad to respond to each other’s ‘manufacturing’ abilities in one of the most abhorring fields, let us keep our focus on the subject and keep digging: What will the politicians of both countries sell during election campaigns if Pakistan and India became ‘normal’ neighbors? Who will be blamed if anything goes wrong at home? On the other hand, imagine a military syllabus without Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, Morgenthau and Chanakya? If the K and T words are eliminated from the South Asian strategic calculus, wouldn’t a classic chess game be transformed into a harmless game of ludo?

India is a smart enemy. It has done its homework properly and reached a pragmatic decision in principle at least for the foreseeable future - leave Pakistan to its own devices and let it suffer; ignore it openly, decisively and with contempt; and safeguard its own interests without expecting any good from its Western neighbor. This is what FM Jayshankar means when he says - Pakistan is irrelevant. Indeed, India has manifestly and unequivocally made its official position known to Pakistan. Maria Callas was not referring to Pak-India rigmarole when she observed - ‘When my enemies stop hissing, I shall know I am slipping’. However, the American opera singer had a point.

Way forward: Pakistan must analyze why it has been labelled as ‘irrelevant’ by its Eastern neighbor. Simultaneously, there is a need to reflect on India’s relevance to Pakistan particularly when the latter is in the process of putting its own house in order. Pakistan has spelled out its conditions for ‘normalization’. So has India. The buck may stop here. Meanwhile, Islamabad may try to come out of its apparent appeasing mode and adopt a ‘wait and see’ policy instead – at least till the time its Foreign Office is able to think beyond its pre-Aug 2019 brief on Pak-India relations. By denying a dialogue to Pakistan or refusing to normalize relations, India is making a strategic mistake it might regret later. By rebuffing Pakistan blatantly, India is committing a tactical error which might have ramifications in the long run. In this regard, for Islamabad, there is no harm in taking Napoleon Bonaparte’s wisdom - ‘Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.’

Najm us Saqib
The writer is a former Ambassador of Pakistan and author of eight books in three languages. He can be reached at najmussaqib1960@msn.com

 

[mudit_ag]

This article has lot of ironies.. The author admits that India is a smart enemy and then says that India is making a mistake by not talking to Pakistan.

 

[Guru Dutt]

The latest? To ease tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbors, Pakistan has once again advocated for the normalization of relations with India but not before outlining its oft-repeated conditions including ‘a just and peaceful resolution of the long-standing Jammu and Kashmir dispute’. Seeking ‘good-neighborly relations with India on the basis of mutual respect and sovereign equality’ is nothing more than a formality or perhaps a ‘diplomatic need’ Pakistan feels obliged to meet. To pointlessly expect India to take a ‘collective action to address pressing challenges rather than perpetuating a cycle of hostility’ is indeed an exercise in futility – and Islamabad knows it.

First, the basics. How is India relevant to Pakistan? Can India assist in addressing Pakistan’s grave economic issues in any possible way? Can India help in improving Pakistan’s human development indices, unemployment, and illiteracy? Can India help Pakistan in getting rid of IPPs? Can India assist in attracting FDIs for the SIFC? Will there be a joint India-Pakistan Commission to eradicate poverty, extremism, and terrorism from the region? Will India convince the US to let the Pak-Iran gas pipeline project succeed?

By any stretch of the imagination, will India accept that in 1947, the other independent and sovereign country that came into being was Pakistan? Can India exclude Pakistan from its philosophically inspired dream of Akhand Bharat? Can India accept Sino-Pak strategic relations as a fact? Will India support Pakistan in establishing EPZs for CPEC? More importantly, can India reverse its decisions of Aug 2019 and request the UN Security Council to hold a free and fair plebiscite for the people of Kashmir to decide their future? Will India help Pakistan in becoming a member of BRICS + so that travelling between Pakistan and India could be visa-free?

The quest continues. Will India ever agree to a nuclear-free South Asia? Will India help Pakistan in signing a nuclear deal with the US to enjoy what it is enjoying through the Indo-US nuclear deal? Does Pakistan expect any scientific and technological support from India? Will India ever wish to see a technologically advanced Pakistan? Will India and Pakistan ever hold joint military exercises to ‘deter’ a common enemy? Can India assist Pakistan in brokering a favorable deal with TTP? Can India strictly and perpetually abide by the Indus Waters Treaty? In short, can India stop considering Pakistan an enemy?

If the answer to all these questions is a flat no, why and how is India relevant to Pakistan?

Thinking outside the box, let us see the other side of the midnight as well. Let us dig deeper. Is it the ‘core’ issue that must be addressed and India’s cooperation is needed? Is it the past that keeps haunting Pakistan? Is there a psychological hangover upsetting Pakistan? Why co-existing peacefully is not important for India? Why can’t both countries follow the ‘live and let live’ approach? Does Pakistan fear an all-out onslaught from India that it must look in a perpetual appeasement mode? Why learning from history is so difficult for Pakistan? In short, what exactly it is that keeps India ‘relevant’ for Pakistan?

Calling terrorism an ‘industry’, FM Jaishankar would warn that ‘tolerance for any cross-border terrorism activity in India is very low’ adding that ‘if Pakistan winds down this industry that it has created, then people will treat them as a normal neighbor’. Never mind which kind of ‘industry’ is producing EU-DisinfoLab or Kulbhushan Yadav or creating an official apparatus to eliminate Hardeep Singh Nijjar and Gurpatwant Singh PannuN or causing grave concerns for Canada and the Five-Eyes while making bold headlines for sponsoring terrorism overseas. The fact remains: two wrongs do not make a right.

Letting both New Delhi and Islamabad to respond to each other’s ‘manufacturing’ abilities in one of the most abhorring fields, let us keep our focus on the subject and keep digging: What will the politicians of both countries sell during election campaigns if Pakistan and India became ‘normal’ neighbors? Who will be blamed if anything goes wrong at home? On the other hand, imagine a military syllabus without Sun Tzu, Clausewitz, Morgenthau and Chanakya? If the K and T words are eliminated from the South Asian strategic calculus, wouldn’t a classic chess game be transformed into a harmless game of ludo?

India is a smart enemy. It has done its homework properly and reached a pragmatic decision in principle at least for the foreseeable future - leave Pakistan to its own devices and let it suffer; ignore it openly, decisively and with contempt; and safeguard its own interests without expecting any good from its Western neighbor. This is what FM Jayshankar means when he says - Pakistan is irrelevant. Indeed, India has manifestly and unequivocally made its official position known to Pakistan. Maria Callas was not referring to Pak-India rigmarole when she observed - ‘When my enemies stop hissing, I shall know I am slipping’. However, the American opera singer had a point.

Way forward: Pakistan must analyze why it has been labelled as ‘irrelevant’ by its Eastern neighbor. Simultaneously, there is a need to reflect on India’s relevance to Pakistan particularly when the latter is in the process of putting its own house in order. Pakistan has spelled out its conditions for ‘normalization’. So has India. The buck may stop here. Meanwhile, Islamabad may try to come out of its apparent appeasing mode and adopt a ‘wait and see’ policy instead – at least till the time its Foreign Office is able to think beyond its pre-Aug 2019 brief on Pak-India relations. By denying a dialogue to Pakistan or refusing to normalize relations, India is making a strategic mistake it might regret later. By rebuffing Pakistan blatantly, India is committing a tactical error which might have ramifications in the long run. In this regard, for Islamabad, there is no harm in taking Napoleon Bonaparte’s wisdom - ‘Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.’

Najm us Saqib
The writer is a former Ambassador of Pakistan and author of eight books in three languages. He can be reached at najmussaqib1960@msn.com

well as much as they can cry but fact is Pakistan was Made by the British so what hapenned with FALL of BERLIN with USSR dose not hapenn in South Asia cause USSR was not far after it came pretty close tpo south of Caucuss region when it made a new communist state of Azerbaijan north of iran

now in 1950s Pakistan used that fear of USA & NATO to Milk USA and became memeber of CEATO/CENTO and even let U-2 spy planes oparate against USSR from its Peshawar airbase till USSR shot one and captured its flight crew that spilled the beans which made USA step[ back but Pakistan dint and used US weapons against India in 1965 WAR and 1971 thus USSR also supported India following the creation of Bangladesh which Pakistan had a bad relation with USA and IOC was made as a substitute for Funding its WAR & so called Islamik BOMB against Hindu India which later deu to US/NATO involvement in Afghanistan against USSR USA & west looked the other way despite indian pleas to stop this Chinese nuclear technology & material transfer to pakistan

but after 1989 with fall of USSR and soviets leaving Afghanistan a new monster of Islamick terror rose in western asia thanks to US & Saudi allaince against Iran and Russia to stop there oil coming to world market hence they yet again used pakistan to create trouble in afghanistan for which they used Taliban and other such radical islamists groups which later after USA & NATO left Afghanistan became a problem for Pakistan as it had no use for USA & NATO and they stopped all kinds of funding and weapons and training


coming to this long lecture written by this Pakistani Diplomat cum book writer since Pakistan made enemies with Russia and Afghanistan to get Funds and weapons from USA & WEST/NATO & Arab Nation to fight India today niether Arab Nations or Afghanistan or USA or NATO nations trust Pakistan

rather deu to there double gammming and contant lying hate themPakistanis as Pakistanies always wanted to hurt indian interests its just they dont have capability now to do so ... intentions are still there

so in the nutshell no one wants to trust them and nor do trade with them hence they are practically bancrupt and have no roadmap to recovarry plan in short medium or long term basis

hence want India either to resuce them like Sri Lanka like a BIG Brother and forget and forgive everything that Pakistanies did in past and what they intened to do in future

 

[vsdoc]

well as much as they can cry but fact is Pakistan was Made by the British so what hapenned with FALL of BERLIN with USSR dose not hapenn in South Asia cause USSR was not far after it came pretty close tpo south of Caucuss region when it made a new communist state of Azerbaijan north of iran

now in 1950s Pakistan used that fear of USA & NATO to Milk USA and became memeber of CEATO/CENTO and even let U-2 spy planes oparate against USSR from its Peshawar airbase till USSR shot one and captured its flight crew that spilled the beans which made USA step[ back but Pakistan dint and used US weapons against India in 1965 WAR and 1971 thus USSR also supported India following the creation of Bangladesh which Pakistan had a bad relation with USA and IOC was made as a substitute for Funding its WAR & so called Islamik BOMB against Hindu India which later deu to US/NATO involvement in Afghanistan against USSR USA & west looked the other way despite indian pleas to stop this Chinese nuclear technology & material transfer to pakistan

but after 1989 with fall of USSR and soviets leaving Afghanistan a new monster of Islamick terror rose in western asia thanks to US & Saudi allaince against Iran and Russia to stop there oil coming to world market hence they yet again used pakistan to create trouble in afghanistan for which they used Taliban and other such radical islamists groups which later after USA & NATO left Afghanistan became a problem for Pakistan as it had no use for USA & NATO and they stopped all kinds of funding and weapons and training


coming to this long lecture written by this Pakistani Diplomat cum book writer since Pakistan made enemies with Russia and Afghanistan to get Funds and weapons from USA & WEST/NATO & Arab Nation to fight India today niether Arab Nations or Afghanistan or USA or NATO nations trust Pakistan

rather deu to there double gammming and contant lying hate themPakistanis as Pakistanies always wanted to hurt indian interests its just they dont have capability now to do so ... intentions are still there
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so in the nutshell no one wants to trust them and nor do trade with them hence they are practically bancrupt and have no roadmap to recovarry plan in short medium or long term basis
View attachment 52451

hence want India either to resuce them like Sri Lanka like a BIG Brother and forget and forgive everything that Pakistanies did in past and what they intened to do in future

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Brilliant post Guru. One of your best to date.

Cheers, Doc

 

[nahtanbob]

well as much as they can cry but fact is Pakistan was Made by the British so what hapenned with FALL of BERLIN with USSR dose not hapenn in South Asia cause USSR was not far after it came pretty close tpo south of Caucuss region when it made a new communist state of Azerbaijan north of iran

now in 1950s Pakistan used that fear of USA & NATO to Milk USA and became memeber of CEATO/CENTO and even let U-2 spy planes oparate against USSR from its Peshawar airbase till USSR shot one and captured its flight crew that spilled the beans which made USA step[ back but Pakistan dint and used US weapons against India in 1965 WAR and 1971 thus USSR also supported India following the creation of Bangladesh which Pakistan had a bad relation with USA and IOC was made as a substitute for Funding its WAR & so called Islamik BOMB against Hindu India which later deu to US/NATO involvement in Afghanistan against USSR USA & west looked the other way despite indian pleas to stop this Chinese nuclear technology & material transfer to pakistan

but after 1989 with fall of USSR and soviets leaving Afghanistan a new monster of Islamick terror rose in western asia thanks to US & Saudi allaince against Iran and Russia to stop there oil coming to world market hence they yet again used pakistan to create trouble in afghanistan for which they used Taliban and other such radical islamists groups which later after USA & NATO left Afghanistan became a problem for Pakistan as it had no use for USA & NATO and they stopped all kinds of funding and weapons and training


coming to this long lecture written by this Pakistani Diplomat cum book writer since Pakistan made enemies with Russia and Afghanistan to get Funds and weapons from USA & WEST/NATO & Arab Nation to fight India today niether Arab Nations or Afghanistan or USA or NATO nations trust Pakistan

rather deu to there double gammming and contant lying hate themPakistanis as Pakistanies always wanted to hurt indian interests its just they dont have capability now to do so ... intentions are still there
View attachment 52452

so in the nutshell no one wants to trust them and nor do trade with them hence they are practically bancrupt and have no roadmap to recovarry plan in short medium or long term basis
View attachment 52451

hence want India either to resuce them like Sri Lanka like a BIG Brother and forget and forgive everything that Pakistanies did in past and what they intened to do in future

View attachment 52453

Does it matter ?

the cold war is over
Pakistan has nukes
there is a new rivalry between USA and China

 

[Guru Dutt]

Does it matter ?

the cold war is over
Pakistan has nukes
there is a new rivalry between USA and China

so are they going to eat those nuces or what !!!!!!
thing is no one cares about Pkaiistani nuces here and if they think they only have nuces well we have much much more , much much compact and with much mcuh leathel and accurate diliverry systems which they can never dream to stop but we are constantly watching all there moves and manouvering owr assets and counter startegies

do not forget both LUDO and Chess /Chaturanga were invented in ancient india so was oldest book on economicks diplomacy and counter counter startegies called Chankyas Arthshastra

Chaturanga - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Arthashastra - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

so why on earth should we reconsile and help a nation like Pakistan that has always stabbed us in back whenever we tried to make peace with it

 

[nahtanbob]

so are they going to eat those nuces or what !!!!!!

Well they will get enough to eat with their nukes. Would it a feast ? probably not. Would they get a few bread crumps. Why not ? it does not cost much to pay them

 

[Guru Dutt]

Well they will get enough to eat with their nukes. Would it a feast ? probably not. Would they get a few bread crumps. Why not ? it does not cost much to pay them

well had that been in question they would have had already chashed that cheque by now but we all know the truth but no one wants to say the truth

and saying gose sometimes its better to behave ignorant

 

[nahtanbob]

well had that been in question they would have had already chashed that cheque by now but we all know the truth but no one wants to say the truth

and saying gose sometimes its better to behave ignorant

Pakistan has already milked USA, China and Saudi Arabia. They are out of cows to milk

 

[kambhakt]

Can India assist in addressing Pakistan’s grave economic issues in any possible way?

No. Not our job.

Can India help in improving Pakistan’s human development indices, unemployment, and illiteracy?

No. Not our job.

Can India help Pakistan in getting rid of IPPs?

No. Not our job.

Can India assist in attracting FDIs for the SIFC?

No. Not our job.

Will there be a joint India-Pakistan Commission to eradicate poverty, extremism, and terrorism from the region?

I don't think we are interested.

Will India convince the US to let the Pak-Iran gas pipeline project succeed?

No. Not our job.

By any stretch of the imagination, will India accept that in 1947, the other independent and sovereign country that came into being was Pakistan?

As an ambassador, the author should know that this is already done. Then PM Vajpayee's visit to Minar-e-Pakistan was an acknowledgement of the same.

Can India exclude Pakistan from its philosophically inspired dream of Akhand Bharat?

Nobody is interested in importing 220 million Pakistani into India.

Can India accept Sino-Pak strategic relations as a fact?

Facts are facts and have to be accepted.

Will India support Pakistan in establishing EPZs for CPEC?

Why should we. Will you change CPEC to IPEC.

More importantly, can India reverse its decisions of Aug 2019 and request the UN Security Council to hold a free and fair plebiscite for the people of Kashmir to decide their future?

As an ambassador, the author should know that it is not a decision of Aug 2019 but the Parliament resolution adopted unanimously by both Houses on 22 February 1994 that Pakistan wants to reverse.

Will India help Pakistan in becoming a member of BRICS + so that travelling between Pakistan and India could be visa-free?

Why would Pakistan want visa free travel. It is not even allowing trade between the countries. Or the SAARC Motor Vehicle agreement.