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[PK781]

The 2 sides cannot afford war to continue so they better negotiate peace, or both get ready fir a shittier economic depression in entire world…

 

[Auqab13]

The 2 sides cannot afford war to continue so they better negotiate peace, or both get ready fir a shittier economic depression in entire world…

Problem is the American and Israeli establishment could not care less about the world's economy they are already rich. I think they may have already gone in with the intention of not letting this war end, unless some really patriotic elements within the American government step up and end the bullshit.

Unlike what what twitter propoganda may convey, Iran really doesnt have the ball long term in its court. Its always going to have to be reactionary to the American/Israeli policy. Where that goes idk, but Iran needs to preserve itself before before this gets out of hand.

 

[Mav3rick]

America to Iran:
-acceptance of no more enrichment by you on a peaceful nuclear energy and handover all your Uranium
Stock?

Iran to USA (Justified demand by Tehran)
-US Military withdrawal from the Middle East
-Iran to control over the strait of Hormuz.

As if the both parties would ever agree to each other’s terms.

Where is the common middle Ground here to be found . Americans are not willing to compromise on any of their ridiculous terms.
JD Vance I believe went to Pakistan to deliver the US threats to Iran in person!

It is a justified demand by Iran to control the strait of Hormuz? How can anyone even say that?

Moreover, how can any country demand what 2 other countries can and cannot do, like have bases in each others countries or have military allianes etc.?

These 2 demands by Iran are absolute nonsense and cannot be agreed upon by anyone. What can be agreed upon are the sanctions and release of Iranian assets and funds frozen overseas.

As for the enrichment matter, Iran can demand support for a peaceful Nuclear Energy program under IAEA supervision, which I guess would not be a problem.

And I think it is time Iran also realizes that it has very little leverage. If push does indeed come to shove, the US can obliterate Iranian infrastructure and literally send Iran back to the stone age by destroying all the power plants, bridges, water reservoirs, oil fields and similar other targets. No electricity, no water, no real infrastructure, no agriculture, and no money; end of story for Iran. I literally pray that Iran does not overplay her hand because I guess after this round, nobody is coming to Iran’s aid. Especially if Iran attacks the GCC again which will compel the GCC countries to enter the war. If the GCC countries do enter the war, Saudi Arabia may compel Pakistan to defend it which would mean another front against Iran. And it would potentially mean, despite all our efforts and intentions, ground offensive against Iran from Pakistan and gateway for the US forces as well. This could literally mean the US takes over Iranian Oil.

 

[peacemaker99]

It is a justified demand by Iran to control the strait of Hormuz? How can anyone even say that?

Moreover, how can any country demand what 2 other countries can and cannot do, like have bases in each others countries or have military allianes etc.?

These 2 demands by Iran are absolute nonsense and cannot be agreed upon by anyone. What can be agreed upon are the sanctions and release of Iranian assets and funds frozen overseas.

As for the enrichment matter, Iran can demand support for a peaceful Nuclear Energy program under IAEA supervision, which I guess would not be a problem.

And I think it is time Iran also realizes that it has very little leverage. If push does indeed come to shove, the US can obliterate Iranian infrastructure and literally send Iran back to the stone age by destroying all the power plants, bridges, water reservoirs, oil fields and similar other targets. No electricity, no water, no real infrastructure, no agriculture, and no money; end of story for Iran. I literally pray that Iran does not overplay her hand because I guess after this round, nobody is coming to Iran’s aid. Especially if Iran attacks the GCC again which will compel the GCC countries to enter the war. If the GCC countries do enter the war, Saudi Arabia may compel Pakistan to defend it which would mean another front against Iran. And it would potentially mean, despite all our efforts and intentions, ground offensive against Iran from Pakistan and gateway for the US forces as well. This could literally mean the US takes over Iranian Oil.

Yeah i believe it is postuting. From what i understand, unlike suez, the entire strait doesnt come under iran, only part of it.

 

[Mav3rick]

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Why would other countries agree to a toll? The strait belongs to all.

 

[lightning f57]

Yeah US and Israel did not at all lead with several weeks of bomhing iran nuclear facilities and did not at all kill the nuclear scientists with more vengance than thry had for khomenri. You want to live in lala land, be my guest.

Lala land is you providing zero proof of your claim. You have no idea to what extent Irans nuclear facilities are destroyed. Do you even realise some off them are under hundreds of meters of granite rock.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Problem is the American and Israeli establishment could not care less about the world's economy they are already rich.

It's not about being rich... that is subjective and open to interpretation... disruptive is the operative word they'd use. They'll burn or keep burning the prospects of others... They'll want impunity over the system instead of fair play. They'd want monopoly powers... primarily over violence. Especially over those who dither... they smell fear and beat the meek to generate the optics... for others to keep their heads down.

It is what epstein actually did... the blackmail was a byproducts of introduction and crash course in depravity... killing balance in thought and moral/mental qualms.... pushing the limits of breaking people... seeing past them... through them...

 

[lightning f57]

Why would other countries agree to a toll? The strait belongs to all.

SOH falls within territorial waters controlled by Iran and Oman. Iran hasn't ratified UNCLOS, its got the largest coastal area around SOH and can shut it like it has through milirary force quite easily. They could turn around and say its used for hostile action against them by certain countries and impose a toll. Only way your stopping a toll is ground invasion of those coastal areas. Ofcourse countries can say this is not legal but so many things aren't and international law is pretty dead these days. Might is right.

 

[Uzair Khan]

It is a justified demand by Iran to control the strait of Hormuz? How can anyone even say that?

Moreover, how can any country demand what 2 other countries can and cannot do, like have bases in each others countries or have military allianes etc.?

These 2 demands by Iran are absolute nonsense and cannot be agreed upon by anyone. What can be agreed upon are the sanctions and release of Iranian assets and funds frozen overseas.

As for the enrichment matter, Iran can demand support for a peaceful Nuclear Energy program under IAEA supervision, which I guess would not be a problem.

And I think it is time Iran also realizes that it has very little leverage. If push does indeed come to shove, the US can obliterate Iranian infrastructure and literally send Iran back to the stone age by destroying all the power plants, bridges, water reservoirs, oil fields and similar other targets. No electricity, no water, no real infrastructure, no agriculture, and no money; end of story for Iran. I literally pray that Iran does not overplay her hand because I guess after this round, nobody is coming to Iran’s aid. Especially if Iran attacks the GCC again which will compel the GCC countries to enter the war. If the GCC countries do enter the war, Saudi Arabia may compel Pakistan to defend it which would mean another front against Iran. And it would potentially mean, despite all our efforts and intentions, ground offensive against Iran from Pakistan and gateway for the US forces as well. This could literally mean the US takes over Iranian Oil.

There is zero chance of a ground invasion from Pakistan. At most Pakistan would defend ksa.. ground invasion from Pakistan would be suicide for us....there is no unfortunately in this. Pakistan can't attack Iran or provide gateway to us forces, end of story..... We have committed this mistake once and still paying gravely but once can be considered a mistake not twice..... That will be the end of the ideological basis of Pakistan and the support that establishment has left if we attack and support attacking Muslim countries... The government also knows this and wouldn't take any such measure.

 

[Auqab13]

It's not about being rich... that is subjective and open to interpretation... disruptive is the operative word they'd use. They'll burn or keep burning the prospects of others... They'll want impunity over the system instead of fair play. They'd want monopoly powers... primarily over violence. Especially over those who dither... they smell fear and beat the meek to generate the optics... for others to keep their heads down.

It is what epstein actually did... the blackmail was a byproducts of introduction and crash course in depravity... killing balance in thought and moral/mental qualms.... pushing the limits of breaking people... seeing past them... through them...

what are you saying brother, why are you being so cryptic.

No, it is not subjective, they are wealthy and powerful to the extent where they do not care about the world or its economy and the everyday man that makes it up. You think kushner, netanyahu, and their likes care about the few billions their people may lose in the process of this, while the rest of the world burns?

 

[peacemaker99]

It is a justified demand by Iran to control the strait of Hormuz? How can anyone even say that?

Moreover, how can any country demand what 2 other countries can and cannot do, like have bases in each others countries or have military allianes etc.?

These 2 demands by Iran are absolute nonsense and cannot be agreed upon by anyone. What can be agreed upon are the sanctions and release of Iranian assets and funds frozen overseas.

As for the enrichment matter, Iran can demand support for a peaceful Nuclear Energy program under IAEA supervision, which I guess would not be a problem.

And I think it is time Iran also realizes that it has very little leverage. If push does indeed come to shove, the US can obliterate Iranian infrastructure and literally send Iran back to the stone age by destroying all the power plants, bridges, water reservoirs, oil fields and similar other targets. No electricity, no water, no real infrastructure, no agriculture, and no money; end of story for Iran. I literally pray that Iran does not overplay her hand because I guess after this round, nobody is coming to Iran’s aid. Especially if Iran attacks the GCC again which will compel the GCC countries to enter the war. If the GCC countries do enter the war, Saudi Arabia may compel Pakistan to defend it which would mean another front against Iran. And it would potentially mean, despite all our efforts and intentions, ground offensive against Iran from Pakistan and gateway for the US forces as well. This could literally mean the US takes over Iranian Oil.

Yeah theres no nuclear program or scientists bro. And there defenitely is no centrifuge going to be smuggled to replace the ones destroyed.

No hater of iran but this chapter is definitely, completely , irreversably and indisputably over.

 

[LC150]

Sure - whatever you want to paint it from thousands of miles away with zero stakes in this. No one denies institutional policies led to this situation but to say that no caution should be taken is childish.

It was intuitional discrimination until Matiur Rehman took a cadet's life.
You can argue all on what led to that hatred and chasm and I wont dispute with it - but just as Matiur Rehman should not have been on the flight line knowing the raised stakes - so should not be anyone who can compromise talks be allowed within arms reach of key negotiators.

the apologists and their self serving logic...

 

[LC150]

The greatest take-away from this catastrophe is: get hold of nukes ASAP, or you're fucked...

As for the countries like Turkey and the KSA, they should make the ever-growing strategic importance of Pakistan their #1 goal.....

or suck Israel's dick 247...

 

[LC150]

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I guess the patwaris and paujeets wont attack Michael now....

 

[LC150]

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