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Distant_Observer said:
Iran were just using Pakistan to get access to China after their Russia and India experiment failed.

Just in May last year they were proudly showing off their deals with India the day after Pakistan was attacked.

I hope Pakistan extracted as much as possible from them in return, never to be a base of covert operations for India again and follow the lead of China-Pak on south asia.
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Well I don't expect a lot from Iranians, they have no love for Pakistan, you can see from Iranians posters here on PDF, but for Pakistan we have a defense pact with KSA, and sooner or later Qatar will join in with possibility of Turkey as well, there isn't much Iran can do except giving shelter to BLA leadership, now if they let Indians use the Chahbahr port again to damage Gwadar than it will be a different case, and I will say Iranians are as same Afghani namak Haram.

But I will hold on my judgement for now, right now Iran is desperate, their top leadership is dead, half of their military industry is either blasted or running of fumes, they Air space is free for all (pretty much), last thing they want is to antagonize Pakistan and KSA.
 
Yasser76 said:
Happy if peace is made in Pak or Qatar either way, but as you say, if i was Iranian I would question my personal safety in Qatar.

Pakistan and Turkiye are probably the only places where safety can be 100% assured
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Exactly, Peace matters not the place where they sign the damn deal but as you say, if the deal is going south you have 2 trojan horses in negotiating teams (Withkov & Kushner) who will tell Bibi even from the Venue, and one thing Israeli's are good at is assassinating leaderships, they wipe out Iran's remaining leadership unleashing total chaos.
 
Because of it's own internal sectarian dimensions Pakistan was unable to exert the much needed pressure on Iran to come to her senses ....Iran wrongly concluded that world opinion and time is on her side , all she has to do is to drag on the negotiations.., American are not dummies, they understand what's Iran upto......in a nutshell , Iran is cornered from all sides...it may not be a surrender on paper , Iran may get some face-saving , however , Iran will surrender for all practical purposes... Pakistan is the only country in the region who will benefit from this crisis in the long run ... nomenclature " Persian gulf " will stay, however , in reality it will be Pak gulf .
 
mythbuster said:
Because of it's own internal sectarian dimensions Pakistan was unable to exert the much needed pressure on Iran to come to her senses ....Iran wrongly concluded that world opinion and time is on her side , all she has to do is to drag on the negotiations.., American are not dummies, they understand what's Iran upto......in a nutshell , Iran is cornered from all sides...it may not be a surrender on paper , Iran may get some face-saving , however , Iran will surrender for all practical purposes... Pakistan is the only country in the region who will benefit from this crisis in the long run ... nomenclature " Persian gulf " will stay, however , in reality it will be Pak gulf .
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To continue..
... there are chances some countries in the region will join Abraham Accord out of fear but they will certainly hedge their bets in the lap of china and Pakistan.
 
It is increasingly clear what the west wants is iran acceptance of abraham accords.

Since pak is more aligned with the west, i think that is what pakistan is pushing iran to do.

I have a feeling in the end that is what will happen- after massive pressure iran will accept it. There is no capability or resources left for a nuclear program but iran will formally give it up too to meet the w3st's demand.

What irony. The october attacks by hamas were designed to stop saudi ftom accepting israel as a state. Will end with iran accepting israel.

Whoever thought of that plan....boy his brain needs to be studied
 
Starlord said:
I don't mind if Qatar host the next round of negotiations, but lets not forget that Israel already bombed Doha once with full American knowledge who did nothing to stop Israel and almost killed the entire team of Hamas, so now if Iranians are in Doha and deal is not reached, what and who will stop Israel to execute the entire Iranian delegation in either Doha or mid-air on the way back? Pakistan Air force has to provide air escort to Iranians when they arrive and when they were leaving, If Iranians are okay with Qatari Air force doing that then by all means, they can host the next round :)
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Seems they made significant progress in Doha so it turned out fine.

Israel would not dare bomb with US presence
 
pashtunkoum said:
Israel would not dare bomb with US presence
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You think Israel cares? They will bomb and kill them if they want to. Ghalibaf would have been targeted long ago, if it wasn't Pakistan stopping it.
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Once the peace negotiations are concluded and a deal is reached, Pakistan needs to separately talk with iran and lay down the red lines very clear. No more stupid sh*t should be tolerated from the persians and their brotherhood with hindutvadis. They can call each other "PIG" and at the same time do the trade .. but any more Kalboshans and refuge to indian terrorists, Pakistan should simply bomb that inside iran.
 
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Which magic wand — گیدڑ سنگھی — do Field Marshal Asim Munir and Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif possess that leaders elsewhere do not?

President Trump and his top team seem tireless in praising Pakistan and its leadership. The Chinese call Pakistan their "iron brother." The Iranians trust no mediator more than Pakistan. The Saudis, Qataris, Turks and others increasingly turn to Islamabad in moments of regional uncertainty.

What do these men, who inherited a country on the brink of economic and diplomatic disaster in 2022 and are now steering it toward renewed global relevance, have that so many others around the world do not?

Perhaps the answer is not گیدڑ سنگھی at all. Perhaps it is the rare combination of strategic geography, credible institutions, pragmatic diplomacy, and leadership that knows how to convert national strengths into international influence.


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I still don't get it, why Pakistan get so much praised from US now?
 
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Which magic wand — گیدڑ سنگھی — do Field Marshal Asim Munir and Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif possess that leaders elsewhere do not?

President Trump and his top team seem tireless in praising Pakistan and its leadership. The Chinese call Pakistan their "iron brother." The Iranians trust no mediator more than Pakistan. The Saudis, Qataris, Turks and others increasingly turn to Islamabad in moments of regional uncertainty.

What do these men, who inherited a country on the brink of economic and diplomatic disaster in 2022 and are now steering it toward renewed global relevance, have that so many others around the world do not?

Perhaps the answer is not گیدڑ سنگھی at all. Perhaps it is the rare combination of strategic geography, credible institutions, pragmatic diplomacy, and leadership that knows how to convert national strengths into international influence.


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I still don't get it, why Pakistan get so much praised from US now?
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We are the pipers who can play the tunes well if paid well.
 
Iran and US peace talks are Fake? I’ll save us all another 112 pages , Israel.
 
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I still don't get it, why Pakistan get so much praised from US now?
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Because Pakistan is helping America get out of a giant hole it has dug itself into in Iran. A very expensive unnecessary and harmful hole.

A smaller reason is Americans know how much Pakistan craves Western praise.
 
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