Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[_Arabia_]

@Khansaheeb

International politics (politics as a whole) is the greatest whore out there.

Trump and his family is in it to make a huge fortune and for ego (legacy). Look at his crypto investments. Also his ties to wealthy Arab states. It is all about their pockets, ego, influence etc. They don't care about the wider picture. No elites anywhere in the world does. I have personal (close relationship) to this segment of society. There are very few principled/ideologically driven people left.

Trump will only do something in regards to Palestine if he is allowed to (by the deep state, huge if) and if he can gain something from it either due to legacy/ego or money (family affairs).

Maybe, just maybe, Arab leadership need to sacrifice their pride and a bit of their money, in order for Trump to twist the hand of the Zionists/Netanyahu and somehow force upon them a two-state solution. The benefits of this will be 100 times greater than the money and energy spent.

We are past (Israel should not exist) low IQ rhetoric which is not going to occur (nuclear armed, fully supported by the US and West and now ingrained in the region). The problem was never the Jewish people as such either way (majority of them at least) because otherwise the Arab Jews (largest group of Jewish people today and the majority of Jews in Israel) would not exist. Relations were generally cordial from Al-Andalus to pre-1948 era.

If Israel is held accountable for their crimes and they recognize their errors and allow a Palestinian state and promise (huge if) not to cause trouble in the region and are ready for mutually beneficial relations with Arab states, I see no reason not to agree with this.

The alternative is permanent war, instability and which again will hamper everything and everyone and the entire region. Neither Palestinians nor Israelis are going anywher, nor the land itself.

 

[Goenitz]

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[VCheng]

We are past (Israel should not exist) low IQ rhetoric which is not going to occur (nuclear armed, fully supported by the US and West and now ingrained in the region).

^^^THIS!

I hope most people here are able someday to realize the concise wisdom of this comment. Thank you for saying it so clearly!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Hamas says it has returned all the hostage bodies it can find

Hamas returns two more bodies but says it cannot retrieve the remaining dead hostages

The group says it cannot access the bodies of some hostages without specialist equipment.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[_Arabia_]

^^^THIS!

I hope most people here are able someday to realize the concise wisdom of this comment. Thank you for saying it so clearly!

I have always been saying this but I preferred not to mention it too much (no need for it anyway) as low IQ elements on this forum and elsewhere will accuse you of being a Zionist and other nonsense. If you look a few pages back it already started by name calling each. even though I have never been pro-Israel (rather the opposite) and highly critical of them. But most people (or at least many) are simply looking for buzz words and not reading what you are actually writing or behaving like bots/robots and just copying other opinions without developing their own ideas or employing much critical thinking. This is seen among many people regardless of nationality. Many such people in KSA as well that are just paddling the official/popular opinion etc. Not something that I am a fan of.

You can state a fact and be heavily against the ideology (as implemented not as claimed) and what they are doing and recognizing the ground realities as they are.

Let us say that it is unlikely for them to go away one way or another. Same with Palestinians. Now when this has been established, there is only a diplomatic/political solution.

Having said this, it is blatantly obvious and clear that Israel is the cause for almost all of the trouble and that they, as the stronger party and the ones violating the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 borders, are the ones that should make the necessary changes in order to implement a genuine two-state solution. They also have a bigger responsibility given how Israel was created back in 1948 at the back of a Nakba.

So this by no means changes anything in regards to responsibility and what should be done. I hope that you can see this as well.

 

[WildApache]

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Battyhole ARAB

 

[VCheng]

I have always been saying this but I preferred not to mention it too much (no need for it anyway) as low IQ elements on this forum and elsewhere will accuse you of being a Zionist and other nonsense. If you look a few pages back it already started by name calling each. even though I have never been pro-Israel (rather the opposite) and highly critical of them. But most people (or at least many) are simply looking for buzz words and not reading what you are actually writing or behaving like bots/robots and just copying other opinions without developing their own ideas or employing much critical thinking. This is seen among many people regardless of nationality. Many such people in KSA as well that are just paddling the official/popular opinion etc. Not something that I am a fan of.

You can state a fact and be heavily against the ideology (as implemented not as claimed) and what they are doing and recognizing the ground realities as they are.

Let us say that it is unlikely for them to go away one way or another. Same with Palestinians. Now when this has been established, there is only a diplomatic/political solution.

Having said this, it is blatantly obvious and clear that Israel is the cause for almost all of the trouble and that they, as the stronger party and the ones violating the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 borders, are the ones that should make the necessary changes in order to implement a genuine two-state solution. They also have a bigger responsibility given how Israel was created back in 1948 at the back of a Nakba.

So this by no means changes anything in regards to responsibility and what should be done. I hope that you can see this as well.

Thank you for that detailed clarification, which I appreciate. It helps me understand your point of view much better, for sure.

All I can add to your post above is that we must never lose sight of what is actually likely to happen simply because of what we think should happen. International geopolitics never works that way, never has, and never will.

(PS: I have been called much worse here, but it does not matter, because reality remains reality. )

 

[WildApache]

^^^THIS!

I hope most people here are able someday to realize the concise wisdom of this comment. Thank you for saying it so clearly!

I say this with a mixture of anger, frustration, sadness, and weary resignation - but I don't think that Israel will EVER allow a viable Palestinian state to emerge the ambition of Netanyahu is a one state solution with no Palestinians in it.....and for all of his reign, that has been evident....

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[hussain0216]

As if they got a fair trial to prove they were. it's a lot easier to shoot first and ask questions later when you are the one holding the guns.

Oh so now you Americans care about a fair trial after supporting genocide???

You lost any shred of moral authority, don't lecture anyone and keep that crap to yourselves

 

[WildApache]

Thank you for that detailed clarification, which I appreciate. It helps me understand your point of view much better, for sure.

All I can add to your post above is that we must never lose sight of what is actually likely to happen simply because of what we think should happen. International geopolitics never works that way, never has, and never will.

(PS: I have been called much worse here, but it does not matter, because reality remains reality. )

there will be fighting and blood spilling in this area until the end of time. There is no solution, sadly . A settler, ethno-nationalist state, created expecting to be at constant war with the Palestinians and with the express intention of either driving the Palestinians out of their country or to subjugate them as second class citizens.

Under those circumstances, and considering just what the Israelis have done to them, it's not likely that there will be a great deal of sympathy is there?

It's so strange, the way that many in 'the west' expect the Palestinians to be nice and cuddly about everything considering they've, as a people, been brutalised for decades. In fact, it's amazing that there isn't more horrendous violence against a country who consider all their young people, excepting those with religious objections, to be war fodder.

 

[_Arabia_]

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Battyhole ARAB

So you found 1 mentally ill/retarded/paid agent/clueless idiot (the only one so far and the same troll that went viral few years back), who does not even represent 0.01% of the population or views, not to mention that we have no idea of who that guy is (his real identity, could easily be an Arab/Yemeni Jew/Israel) nor what he is replying to. Well done, troll. Half of what he is saying is nonsense anyway, Palestinians are Arabs and Semitic people which every DNA test shows anyway and confirms.

In short, the idiot is speaking for himself and only himself regardless of who or what he is.

Also the point of posting this video is what exactly? There are literally 1000's of much worse videos of non-Arabs (Muslim ethnicities) out there, why don't you post that as well? There are actual users here from majority Muslim nations that wish for Israel to remove all Palestinians. On this very forum.

We all know why, because you have an unhealthy obsession about Arabs (Palestinians are Arabs, clown, in case you missed the script) and are only interested in trolling. Doing it yet again despite several warnings from moderators and after making yourself a laughing stock by creating that thread full of lies aimed at me which the moderators agreed with.

@The SC @RescueRanger @Musings @Mr X this individual is at it again. Kindly take a look at his user history as well. I will not reply to his reply.

 

[_Arabia_]

Thank you for that detailed clarification, which I appreciate. It helps me understand your point of view much better, for sure.

All I can add to your post above is that we must never lose sight of what is actually likely to happen simply because of what we think should happen. International geopolitics never works that way, never has, and never will.

(PS: I have been called much worse here, but it does not matter, because reality remains reality. )

One thing is what we would like to occur and another thing is the ground reality.

If you ask me personally, and I had to give a honest answer, I would have preferred Israel not to exist. Hear me out here. This way the millions of Arab Jews that left for Israel would have remained in the Arab world and been a part of us like throughout millennia. We lost a fairly important (historically) community of ours. Secondly Palestine would have remained Palestine. No Nakba and no endless wars/conflicts.

European Jews could have been compensated by getting a bit of Germany or Austria, the actual perpetrators of the Holocaust. Somewhere in Bavaria. To have their sanctuary. We were not a part of this war (WW2) or conflict (German-Jews).

This way everyone is content and there is no conflict.

Hush your lips crying little bitch ass Racist
its many a Saudis view point
who the heck is this chosen one to dictate what can be posted on a forum
clown

Go take your medicine. Moderators will hopefully deal with your constant diarrhea once and for all so normal people can have discussions in this thread. You hate Arabs anyway, so what are you doing in this thread again other than trolling and pretending to care about Palestinians? Broke my promise, but hard not to with this clown troll.

 

[hussain0216]

^^^THIS!

I hope most people here are able someday to realize the concise wisdom of this comment. Thank you for saying it so clearly!

That's defeatist, if you went by that logic we would be stuck with a crusader state for the last 800 years

And if you were native Americans swamped by white colonials with guns, maybe you could be defeatist and accept the complete destruction of your people and way of life


But the fundamentals in this situation are different
The Jews may have the backing of the U.S and west, but they are few and the Palestinians are younger and in a region dominated by Arabs and Muslims, accepting a foreign occupation is defeatist and pathetic


On the contrary, you just have to buckle down and maintain the angerz the outrage, the hatred and will to resist

If you can't take it back immediately through battle, then relentlessly harass your enemy in any way you can


So how can we harass Israel and the Jews, how can we use the events against them, how can we make every day a battle, a conflict where every Jew is looking over their shoulder.

How can we make every event Israel attends a protest

How can we hound them diplomatically and legally

How can we motivate people to boycott and speak out


Tucking your tail between your legs is never a solution


The world is changing before us and everything is to play for

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

After long months of detention ..

The occupation released a child from Gaza with autism !!

A crime that the whole world must see

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