Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[Falcon29]

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He's right, but...

I just wanna point out that Ali Abunimah is kind of a c*nt. I called him out on his hypocrisy once, and the coward blocked me.

LOL

He is a bit hot headed and emotional

Somewhat of a Baathist too

 

[Falcon29]

Arab Islamic scholars chiming in:

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The American administration is the primary responsible party for what is happening and persists in hostility toward the Islamic nation.

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[VCheng]

I don't speak for others and I'm not here to try proving something to anyone.

What more do you want us to do? Allocate an Air Force and Navy on behalf of Arab and Muslim militaries? We're already offering to operate their weapons systems for them since they're too scared to do it themselves.

They refuse our help. They would arrest us on the spot if we simply called for military intervention on behalf of Gaza and the greater region, which is under attack by Israel+ NATO, as some part of expansionist plan to subdue Muslims.

I would be the first one to recognize that the Palestinians have done everything possible under the extremely lop-sided circumstances that they find themselves in, surely, and no one can expect them to have done anything more than that.

However, that still does not help them to live is safety and dignity. That must remain the ultimate goal, and the real challenge is getting from here to there in a calm, logical and realistic manner, given the realties on the ground, that simply cannot be ignored by wishful thinking by either side.

 

[VCheng]

This mental entrapment that keeps Arab states and Muslim states trapped has become a existential threat

... and it is only up to the Arabs to change themselves, if what you say is true. The change that you seek can only come from within, surely, if it is to ever happen.

 

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[Falcon29]

I would be the first one to recognize that the Palestinians have done everything possible under the extremely lop-sided circumstances that they find themselves in, surely, and no one can expect them to have done anything more than that.

However, that still does not help them to live is safety and dignity. That must remain the ultimate goal, and the real challenge is getting from here to there in a calm, logical and realistic manner, given the realties on the ground, that simply cannot be ignored by wishful thinking by either side.

If we are being realistic, the US-Israel are on an anti-Arab crusade that's going to eat Arabs alive if they don't push back sooner or later. They sort of don't have the choice but to establish military deterrence or else it will feed the war hungry appetite of Israel and the USA.

It makes no sense for the US to engage in such an hate filled offensive as the US is heading into an economic recession, potential war in South America, war in Ukraine, most important midterms and upcoming elections of American history ....

 

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[shapurzolaktaf]

Embarrassing. Arab and Muslim leaders are a joke. All of them. Turkish, Arab, Iranian. They cannot stop a genocide even though it's will within their power and influence to. They just aren't even trying.

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Iran was and is the only country which actively stood up against Israeli regime, paying a huge price for 46 years, while arabs and turks (mostly the Sunnis) traded with USA and Israel.

Even the Yemeni movement is inspired, influenced, assisted, trained by Iran, indirectly when necessary.

Coud they prevent a NATO assisted genocide while the whole world, including China and Russia, keep trade with and diplomatic ties with the Israeli regime? no, it's 2 or 3 against 191 countries.

I hope for a Palestinian victory, but these are the facts. You have also witnessed who attented the show in Egypt and who didnt.

 

[VCheng]

If we are being realistic, the US-Israel are on an anti-Arab crusade that's going to eat Arabs alive if they don't push back sooner or later. They sort of don't have the choice but to establish military deterrence or else it will feed the war hungry appetite of Israel and the USA.

It makes no sense for the US to engage in such an hate filled offensive as the US is heading into an economic recession, potential war in South America, war in Ukraine, most important midterms and upcoming elections of American history ....

While you seem to have a very clear idea of what others around the world should or should not be doing, I would respectfully suggest that it might be better to ask what you can do for yourselves and not what others should be doing for you.

That is the only way that works in international geopolitics, and that is what is realistic., if one really wishes to be honest.

Just something to consider. Or not.

 

[Falcon29]

While you seem to have a very clear idea of what others around the world should or should not be doing, I would respectfully suggest that it might be better to ask what you can do for yourselves and not what others should be doing for you.

That is the only way that works in international geopolitics, and that is what is realistic., if one really wishes to be honest.

Just something to consider. Or not.

I'm Arab and can speak for Arabs, you can see it as an internal affair, thank you .

 

[Falcon29]

Iran was and is the only country which actively stood up against Israeli regime, paying a huge price for 46 years, while arabs and turks (mostly the Sunnis) traded with USA and Israel.

Arabs have a lot more to lose. Have a lot more risk as well in going up against the US. What they are trying to do is leverage their deep ties with the US to gain a better outcome. And persuade the US to get onboard with a independent Palestinian state.

Iran itself is open to US trade/investment/ties, not with Israel:

In a speech on Wednesday, Pezeshkian said Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei "has no opposition to American investors."

Iran leader open to US investment in win for Trump

Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian says that American "investors are welcome to invest in our country."

www.newsweek.com

Even the Yemeni movement is inspired, influenced, assisted, trained by Iran, indirectly when necessary.

Houthis have existed before Iranian revolution, they're a tough warrior tribe but yes I don't deny the rest.

Coud they prevent a NATO assisted genocide while the whole world, including China and Russia, keep trade with and diplomatic ties with the Israeli regime? no, it's 2 or 3 against 191 countries.

I hope for a Palestinian victory, but these are the facts. You have also witnessed who attented the show in Egypt and who didnt.

Muslims leaders collectively have bigger leverage against the United States

Not Iran alone. Their combined efforts can work, and it seemingly is working now because US got worried how far Israel will take it.

The pressure works

 

[VCheng]

I'm Arab and can speak for Arabs, you can see it as an internal affair, thank you .

Of course. Arabs do not seem to be doing much of what you keep saying, other than keep investing in USA. That kind of makes it more than just an internal matter just for the Arabs, to be fair.

 

[VCheng]

Iran was and is the only country which actively stood up against Israeli regime, paying a huge price for 46 years, while arabs and turks (mostly the Sunnis) traded with USA and Israel.

Even Iran has been pretty quiet on this matter after its door bell was rung recently.

 

[PakFactor]

I don't speak for others and I'm not here to try proving something to anyone.

What more do you want us to do? Allocate an Air Force and Navy on behalf of Arab and Muslim militaries? We're already offering to operate their weapons systems for them since they're too scared to do it themselves.

They refuse our help. They would arrest us on the spot if we simply called for military intervention on behalf of Gaza and the greater region, which is under attack by Israel+ NATO, as some part of expansionist plan to subdue Muslims.

I’m sure the military chiefs of Islamic countries have considered various scenarios and ultimately come up empty-handed. Let me ask you this: how can you expect Muslim countries to wage a campaign lasting months or even years when their air forces, navies, and land armies rely on military equipment and parts from the collective West? Can the countries source raw material's logistically to build arms to sustain? Aside from Turkey and Pakistan, which maintain standing armies due to the regional challenges they face, the rest of the Arab armies function more like security forces to protect the royal families or dynasties than effective military forces.

The best volunteers can do is form backup asymmetric armies to provide support for traditional armies of Arab and Muslim world in event of an conflict.

This isn't being done in the Arab world because they view backup asymmetric armies as 'Islam' and deem it a threat.

Would those soldiers, truly fight on behalf of the regimes that collectively put the region in the current situation that's facing them? Let me ask further, would those who were repressed and brutalized, be willing to pick up arms to defend or fight on behalf of a state?