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Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll
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Many countries are wary of the mission to demilitarise Gaza’s militant group Hamas, which could drag them into the conflict.
Wednesday 17/12/2025
Pakistan’s most powerful military chief in decades faces the toughest test of his newly-amassed powers as Washington pushes Islamabad to contribute troops to the Gaza stabilisation force, a move analysts say could spark domestic backlash.
Field Marshal Asim Munir is expected to fly to Washington to have talks with President Donald Trump in the coming weeks for a third meeting in six months that will likely focus on the Gaza force, sources told Reuters.
Trump’s 20-point Gaza plan calls for a force from Muslim nations to oversee a transition period for reconstruction and economic recovery in the war-torn Palestinian territory, decimated by over two years of Israeli military bombardment.
Many countries are wary of the mission to demilitarise Gaza’s militant group Hamas, which could drag them into the conflict and enrage their pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli populations in Pakistan and other Muslim nations as they could be seen as backing Israel.
But Munir has built a close relationship with the mercurial Trump to repair years of mistrust between Washington and Islamabad. In June, he was rewarded with a White House lunch, the first time a US president hosted Pakistan’s army chief alone, without civilian officials.
“Not contributing (to the Gaza stabilisation force) could annoy Trump, which is no small matter for a Pakistani state that appears quite keen to remain in his good graces, in great part to secure US investment and security aid,” said Michael Kugelman, Senior Fellow, South Asia at Washington-based Atlantic Council.
Pakistan, the world’s only Muslim country with nuclear weapons, has a battle-hardened military having gone to war with arch-rival India three times and a brief conflict this summer. It has also tackled insurgencies in its far-flung regions and is currently embroiled in a bruising war with Islamist militants who it says are operating from Afghanistan.
Pakistan’s military strength means “there is a greater pressure on Munir to deliver his capacity,” said author and defence analyst Ayesha Siddiqa.
Pakistani Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar said last month that Islamabad could consider contributing troops for peacekeeping but disarming Hamas “is not our job.”
Munir was earlier this month anointed as chief of the defence forces to head the air force and navy as well, with a job extension until 2030.
He will retain his field marshal title forever, as well as enjoy lifetime immunity from any criminal prosecution under the constitutional amendments that Pakistan’s civilian government pushed through parliament late last month.
“Few people in Pakistan enjoy the luxury of being able to take risks more than Munir. He has unbridled power, now constitutionally protected,” Kugelman added.
“Ultimately, it will be Munir’s rules, and his rules only.”
Over the past few weeks, Munir has met military and civilian leaders from countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt and Qatar, according to the military’s statements, which Siddiqa said appeared to be consultations on the Gaza force.
But the big concern at home is that the involvement of Pakistan troops in Gaza under a US-backed plan could re-ignite protests from Pakistan’s Islamist parties that are deeply opposed to the US and Israel.
The Islamists have street power to mobilise thousands. A powerful and violent anti-Israel Islamist party that fights for upholding Pakistan’s ultra-strict blasphemy laws was banned in October.
Authorities arrested its leaders and over 1,500 supporters and seized its assets and bank accounts in an ongoing crackdown, officials said.
While Islamabad has outlawed the group, its ideology is still alive.
The party of former jailed premier, Imran Khan, whose supporters won the most seats in the 2024 national elections and has wide public support, also has an axe to grind against Munir.
Abdul Basit, Senior Associate Fellow, S Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore, said if things escalated once the Gaza force was on the ground, it would cause problems quickly.
“People will say ‘Asim Munir is doing Israel’s bidding’, it will be foolhardy of anyone not to see it coming.”
US presses Pakistan to contribute to Gaza force, military chief Asim Munir in spotlight
Many countries are wary of the mission to demilitarise Gaza’s militant group Hamas, which could drag them into the conflict.
Wednesday 17/12/2025
Pakistan’s most powerful military chief in decades faces the toughest test of his newly-amassed powers as Washington pushes Islamabad to contribute troops to the Gaza stabilisation force, a move analysts say could spark domestic backlash.
Field Marshal Asim Munir is expected to fly to Washington to have talks with President Donald Trump in the coming weeks for a third meeting in six months that will likely focus on the Gaza force, sources told Reuters.
Trump’s 20-point Gaza plan calls for a force from Muslim nations to oversee a transition period for reconstruction and economic recovery in the war-torn Palestinian territory, decimated by over two years of Israeli military bombardment.
Many countries are wary of the mission to demilitarise Gaza’s militant group Hamas, which could drag them into the conflict and enrage their pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli populations in Pakistan and other Muslim nations as they could be seen as backing Israel.
But Munir has built a close relationship with the mercurial Trump to repair years of mistrust between Washington and Islamabad. In June, he was rewarded with a White House lunch, the first time a US president hosted Pakistan’s army chief alone, without civilian officials.
“Not contributing (to the Gaza stabilisation force) could annoy Trump, which is no small matter for a Pakistani state that appears quite keen to remain in his good graces, in great part to secure US investment and security aid,” said Michael Kugelman, Senior Fellow, South Asia at Washington-based Atlantic Council.
Pakistan, the world’s only Muslim country with nuclear weapons, has a battle-hardened military having gone to war with arch-rival India three times and a brief conflict this summer. It has also tackled insurgencies in its far-flung regions and is currently embroiled in a bruising war with Islamist militants who it says are operating from Afghanistan.
Pakistan’s military strength means “there is a greater pressure on Munir to deliver his capacity,” said author and defence analyst Ayesha Siddiqa.
Pakistani Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar said last month that Islamabad could consider contributing troops for peacekeeping but disarming Hamas “is not our job.”
Munir was earlier this month anointed as chief of the defence forces to head the air force and navy as well, with a job extension until 2030.
He will retain his field marshal title forever, as well as enjoy lifetime immunity from any criminal prosecution under the constitutional amendments that Pakistan’s civilian government pushed through parliament late last month.
“Few people in Pakistan enjoy the luxury of being able to take risks more than Munir. He has unbridled power, now constitutionally protected,” Kugelman added.
“Ultimately, it will be Munir’s rules, and his rules only.”
Over the past few weeks, Munir has met military and civilian leaders from countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt and Qatar, according to the military’s statements, which Siddiqa said appeared to be consultations on the Gaza force.
But the big concern at home is that the involvement of Pakistan troops in Gaza under a US-backed plan could re-ignite protests from Pakistan’s Islamist parties that are deeply opposed to the US and Israel.
The Islamists have street power to mobilise thousands. A powerful and violent anti-Israel Islamist party that fights for upholding Pakistan’s ultra-strict blasphemy laws was banned in October.
Authorities arrested its leaders and over 1,500 supporters and seized its assets and bank accounts in an ongoing crackdown, officials said.
While Islamabad has outlawed the group, its ideology is still alive.
The party of former jailed premier, Imran Khan, whose supporters won the most seats in the 2024 national elections and has wide public support, also has an axe to grind against Munir.
Abdul Basit, Senior Associate Fellow, S Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore, said if things escalated once the Gaza force was on the ground, it would cause problems quickly.
“People will say ‘Asim Munir is doing Israel’s bidding’, it will be foolhardy of anyone not to see it coming.”
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Khorasan Black Flags
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atmi_bum
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It’s not going to happen. The political cost is way too high. No benefit whatsoever.ArabWeeklyThe Arab Weekly
US presses Pakistan to contribute to Gaza force, military chief Asim Munir in spotlight
Many countries are wary of the mission to demilitarise Gaza’s militant group Hamas, which could drag them into the conflict.
Wednesday 17/12/2025
Pakistan’s most powerful military chief in decades faces the toughest test of his newly-amassed powers as Washington pushes Islamabad to contribute troops to the Gaza stabilisation force, a move analysts say could spark domestic backlash.
Field Marshal Asim Munir is expected to fly to Washington to have talks with President Donald Trump in the coming weeks for a third meeting in six months that will likely focus on the Gaza force, sources told Reuters.
Trump’s 20-point Gaza plan calls for a force from Muslim nations to oversee a transition period for reconstruction and economic recovery in the war-torn Palestinian territory, decimated by over two years of Israeli military bombardment.
Many countries are wary of the mission to demilitarise Gaza’s militant group Hamas, which could drag them into the conflict and enrage their pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli populations in Pakistan and other Muslim nations as they could be seen as backing Israel.
But Munir has built a close relationship with the mercurial Trump to repair years of mistrust between Washington and Islamabad. In June, he was rewarded with a White House lunch, the first time a US president hosted Pakistan’s army chief alone, without civilian officials.
“Not contributing (to the Gaza stabilisation force) could annoy Trump, which is no small matter for a Pakistani state that appears quite keen to remain in his good graces, in great part to secure US investment and security aid,” said Michael Kugelman, Senior Fellow, South Asia at Washington-based Atlantic Council.
Pakistan, the world’s only Muslim country with nuclear weapons, has a battle-hardened military having gone to war with arch-rival India three times and a brief conflict this summer. It has also tackled insurgencies in its far-flung regions and is currently embroiled in a bruising war with Islamist militants who it says are operating from Afghanistan.
Pakistan’s military strength means “there is a greater pressure on Munir to deliver his capacity,” said author and defence analyst Ayesha Siddiqa.
Pakistani Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar said last month that Islamabad could consider contributing troops for peacekeeping but disarming Hamas “is not our job.”
Munir was earlier this month anointed as chief of the defence forces to head the air force and navy as well, with a job extension until 2030.
He will retain his field marshal title forever, as well as enjoy lifetime immunity from any criminal prosecution under the constitutional amendments that Pakistan’s civilian government pushed through parliament late last month.
“Few people in Pakistan enjoy the luxury of being able to take risks more than Munir. He has unbridled power, now constitutionally protected,” Kugelman added.
“Ultimately, it will be Munir’s rules, and his rules only.”
Over the past few weeks, Munir has met military and civilian leaders from countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt and Qatar, according to the military’s statements, which Siddiqa said appeared to be consultations on the Gaza force.
But the big concern at home is that the involvement of Pakistan troops in Gaza under a US-backed plan could re-ignite protests from Pakistan’s Islamist parties that are deeply opposed to the US and Israel.
The Islamists have street power to mobilise thousands. A powerful and violent anti-Israel Islamist party that fights for upholding Pakistan’s ultra-strict blasphemy laws was banned in October.
Authorities arrested its leaders and over 1,500 supporters and seized its assets and bank accounts in an ongoing crackdown, officials said.
While Islamabad has outlawed the group, its ideology is still alive.
The party of former jailed premier, Imran Khan, whose supporters won the most seats in the 2024 national elections and has wide public support, also has an axe to grind against Munir.
Abdul Basit, Senior Associate Fellow, S Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore, said if things escalated once the Gaza force was on the ground, it would cause problems quickly.
“People will say ‘Asim Munir is doing Israel’s bidding’, it will be foolhardy of anyone not to see it coming.”
Oscar
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Interesting to see where this is coming from in terms of sources but this isnt just the FMs problem but in general a delicate messaging issue for all Arab forces.
The Trump label needs to go if this is going to work which is an oxymoronic ask.
If this force was more so led by let's say GCC even if the entire troops were Pakistani it would be an easy swallow. Trump's stamp on it is what makes it toxic for any muslim regime let alone one struggling with popular support, Islamic extremism and legitimacy of doing this even within its own ranks.
The Trump label needs to go if this is going to work which is an oxymoronic ask.
If this force was more so led by let's say GCC even if the entire troops were Pakistani it would be an easy swallow. Trump's stamp on it is what makes it toxic for any muslim regime let alone one struggling with popular support, Islamic extremism and legitimacy of doing this even within its own ranks.
fitpOsitive
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Let's take this opportunity I will say Mr Munir. I really mean it.ArabWeeklyThe Arab Weekly
US presses Pakistan to contribute to Gaza force, military chief Asim Munir in spotlight
Many countries are wary of the mission to demilitarise Gaza’s militant group Hamas, which could drag them into the conflict.
Wednesday 17/12/2025
Pakistan’s most powerful military chief in decades faces the toughest test of his newly-amassed powers as Washington pushes Islamabad to contribute troops to the Gaza stabilisation force, a move analysts say could spark domestic backlash.
Field Marshal Asim Munir is expected to fly to Washington to have talks with President Donald Trump in the coming weeks for a third meeting in six months that will likely focus on the Gaza force, sources told Reuters.
Trump’s 20-point Gaza plan calls for a force from Muslim nations to oversee a transition period for reconstruction and economic recovery in the war-torn Palestinian territory, decimated by over two years of Israeli military bombardment.
Many countries are wary of the mission to demilitarise Gaza’s militant group Hamas, which could drag them into the conflict and enrage their pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli populations in Pakistan and other Muslim nations as they could be seen as backing Israel.
But Munir has built a close relationship with the mercurial Trump to repair years of mistrust between Washington and Islamabad. In June, he was rewarded with a White House lunch, the first time a US president hosted Pakistan’s army chief alone, without civilian officials.
“Not contributing (to the Gaza stabilisation force) could annoy Trump, which is no small matter for a Pakistani state that appears quite keen to remain in his good graces, in great part to secure US investment and security aid,” said Michael Kugelman, Senior Fellow, South Asia at Washington-based Atlantic Council.
Pakistan, the world’s only Muslim country with nuclear weapons, has a battle-hardened military having gone to war with arch-rival India three times and a brief conflict this summer. It has also tackled insurgencies in its far-flung regions and is currently embroiled in a bruising war with Islamist militants who it says are operating from Afghanistan.
Pakistan’s military strength means “there is a greater pressure on Munir to deliver his capacity,” said author and defence analyst Ayesha Siddiqa.
Pakistani Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar said last month that Islamabad could consider contributing troops for peacekeeping but disarming Hamas “is not our job.”
Munir was earlier this month anointed as chief of the defence forces to head the air force and navy as well, with a job extension until 2030.
He will retain his field marshal title forever, as well as enjoy lifetime immunity from any criminal prosecution under the constitutional amendments that Pakistan’s civilian government pushed through parliament late last month.
“Few people in Pakistan enjoy the luxury of being able to take risks more than Munir. He has unbridled power, now constitutionally protected,” Kugelman added.
“Ultimately, it will be Munir’s rules, and his rules only.”
Over the past few weeks, Munir has met military and civilian leaders from countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt and Qatar, according to the military’s statements, which Siddiqa said appeared to be consultations on the Gaza force.
But the big concern at home is that the involvement of Pakistan troops in Gaza under a US-backed plan could re-ignite protests from Pakistan’s Islamist parties that are deeply opposed to the US and Israel.
The Islamists have street power to mobilise thousands. A powerful and violent anti-Israel Islamist party that fights for upholding Pakistan’s ultra-strict blasphemy laws was banned in October.
Authorities arrested its leaders and over 1,500 supporters and seized its assets and bank accounts in an ongoing crackdown, officials said.
While Islamabad has outlawed the group, its ideology is still alive.
The party of former jailed premier, Imran Khan, whose supporters won the most seats in the 2024 national elections and has wide public support, also has an axe to grind against Munir.
Abdul Basit, Senior Associate Fellow, S Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore, said if things escalated once the Gaza force was on the ground, it would cause problems quickly.
“People will say ‘Asim Munir is doing Israel’s bidding’, it will be foolhardy of anyone not to see it coming.”
Liquidator
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Imagine a "muslim" soldier turning up to gaza after the Jews have finished slaughtering 500,000 Gazans.
Shame isn't a strong enough word.
Shame isn't a strong enough word.
Watandar
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Pakistan getting involved in Gaza is very dumb and unnecessary. Let Israel's Arab allies send their forces. The Saudis, Omanis, Kuwaitis are all in bed with Israel alongwith Egypt, Jordan, UAE. That's a pretty big pool.
Another deeply distasteful aspect of this is westerners and petro-Arabs once again bringing in poor people to do all the work, including dirty jobs.
Another deeply distasteful aspect of this is westerners and petro-Arabs once again bringing in poor people to do all the work, including dirty jobs.
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unconventional
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Pakistan will only act in consensus with other Muslim majority countries. Pakistan will not act on its own in Gaza.
Pakistan will only provide resources when there is a clarity in mission: it is clear from the statements from other Muslim countries that the purpose of troops in Gaza will be for peacekeeping purposes, not to disarm Hamas.
Pakistan will only provide resources when there is a clarity in mission: it is clear from the statements from other Muslim countries that the purpose of troops in Gaza will be for peacekeeping purposes, not to disarm Hamas.
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Falcon29
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I can say mood within Hamas is welcoming to international forces deploying for 3-5 years in the area the IDF is currently occupying
Hamas will not have a problem. Iran doesn't have that kind of influence over Hamas. It will be welcomed for as long as it's not used to forcibly disarm Gaza.
Hezbollah which is closer to Iran than Hamas has UNFIL forces in southern Lebanon and tolerates them
Our people would be thankful for any country forcing IDF out of Gaza and bringing long term stability to Gaza
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