Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[Unknowntruth]

Not bad at all. If Israel withdraws from Gaza and is forced to end the relentless war on Gaza.

Hamas is not going to exhaust any more effort for crooks and frauds. It will pass off this responsibility to the Ummah to deal with the right wing facist government and state of Israel.

You guys wanted Hamas and Gaza out and sidelined. That's what you get now. Now they're going to move their attention onto Syria + Lebanon + maybe even more than that.

Hamas has been called all kinds of things by both AoR base and Saudi led base. Hamas has been gaslighted by them for two straight years. This is what you wanted so now it's your responsibility.

Which is the better for greater good of Ummah. If we in Gaza are kafirs and whatever else Ummah called us. Then they in the Ummah with the big reach, money, weapons and influence will take on this responsibility as they demanded.

I believe Hezbollah truly wanted to help Gaza but were not prepared for the level of destruction. It saw their top leadership decimated and Israeli intelligence infiltrated the top of command.

It is also a defensive guerrilla movement and most of Lebanon were not willing to let Hezbollah involve them in a war of this magnitude. It thought it could do a tit for tat with Israel but they miscalculated.

I believe after the page incident, leadership wiped out, level of destruction, etc they were right in pulling out.

As you see in Gaza, Israel would’ve did to Lebanon what it did to Gaza. They dropped out because Israel will genocide the population to force their hand. They saw what was happening to Gaza and they didn’t want that done to Lebanon.

At least they did something along with Yemen. I can’t say the same for our other brethren.

 

[Falcon29]

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[RescueRanger]

I believe Hezbollah truly wanted to help Gaza but were not prepared for the level of destruction. It saw their top leadership decimated and Israeli intelligence infiltrated the top of command.

It is also a defensive guerrilla movement and most of Lebanon were not willing to let Hezbollah involve them in a war of this magnitude. It thought it could do a tit for tat with Israel but they miscalculated.

I believe after the page incident, leadership wiped out, level of destruction, etc they were right in pulling out.

As you see in Gaza, Israel would’ve did to Lebanon what it did to Gaza. They dropped out because Israel will genocide the population to force their hand. They saw what was happening to Gaza and they didn’t want that done to Lebanon.

At least they did something along with Yemen. I can’t say the same for our other brethren.

One this Pakistan learned during its wars with India - you often fight alone.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Israel has to stop the war and withdraw from most of Gaza. It controls border with Egypt since forever, Egypt did nothing to counter their takeover of Philadelphia corridor. And it was always defacto controlled by Israel for as long as Israel enjoyed air superiority over Gaza.

sure, if Israel withdraws to the 'phase 3' borders then Gaza 'only' loses 1km buffer on all sides. but even that is far away and not guaranteed. but as I said before, if Hamas accepts the deal then we will all support them in doing so.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I believe Hezbollah truly wanted to help Gaza but were not prepared for the level of destruction. It saw their top leadership decimated and Israeli intelligence infiltrated the top of command.

It is also a defensive guerrilla movement and most of Lebanon were not willing to let Hezbollah involve them in a war of this magnitude. It thought it could do a tit for tat with Israel but they miscalculated.

I believe after the page incident, leadership wiped out, level of destruction, etc they were right in pulling out.

As you see in Gaza, Israel would’ve did to Lebanon what it did to Gaza. They dropped out because Israel will genocide the population to force their hand. They saw what was happening to Gaza and they didn’t want that done to Lebanon.

At least they did something along with Yemen. I can’t say the same for our other brethren.

very well said. Israel's bombing across Lebanon was extremely vicious with > 500 Lebanese killed in a single day then 4000+ Lebanese brutally injured or killed in the terrorist pager strikes. then 200 tons of bombs dropped to kill Nasrallah and his successor. there are limits to what a small militia can do against a regional power like Israel. if they continued then Beirut and every major city south of it would have been flattened like Gaza.

 

[Falcon29]

I believe Hezbollah truly wanted to help Gaza but were not prepared for the level of destruction. It saw their top leadership decimated and Israeli intelligence infiltrated the top of command.

It is also a defensive guerrilla movement and most of Lebanon were not willing to let Hezbollah involve them in a war of this magnitude. It thought it could do a tit for tat with Israel but they miscalculated.

I believe after the page incident, leadership wiped out, level of destruction, etc they were right in pulling out.

As you see in Gaza, Israel would’ve did to Lebanon what it did to Gaza. They dropped out because Israel will genocide the population to force their hand. They saw what was happening to Gaza and they didn’t want that done to Lebanon.

At least they did something along with Yemen. I can’t say the same for our other brethren.

This is a lot bigger than Hezbollah. Ummah doesn't care for Gaza and Hamas. They've called us kaffir , terrorist, morons, Mossad agents for two years straight. Look at this thread.

Shia and Sunni don't care about us. But they like to use our cause to advance their intertribal/sectarian conflicts.

We know mentally retarded, facist and extremist Jews can't go a month without shedding blood. They want to be able to shed blood in Gaza for 10 years straight, if not for eternity.

If Hamas really locks in this agreement, and Trump administration guarantees safety of Gaza. Then the terrorist retarded Jews will lose it and self destruct. They're cowardly Nazi dirty bitches that act tough on Gaza only and they're very worried they'll lose the right to attack Gaza because we know from how retarded and extremist they are, if they lose that right, they'll have to confront their nightmare which is start war with Ummah by attacking Syria , Lebanon, or Egypt.

The Ummah cares about Lebanon and Syria way more than Gaza. The Ummah asked for Hamas to surrender and leave Gaza. They got what they wanted so now we leave the responsibility of the region on them. We did our part defending Islam and Arab national security. Now the Ummah is fully responsible and can't hide behind Palestinians anymore.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The Ummah cares about Lebanon and Syria way more than Gaza.

you are right that Muslims care much more about Syria than Palestine/Gaza.

but not Lebanon. only France cares for Lebanon due to its colonial influences.

 

[unconventional]

It’s not a good deal, if Hamas is forced to disarm without any mechanism to halt Israel’s actions in Gaza.

It’s a good deal if Hamas releases the hostages, leaves the administration in Gaza; Israel is forced to let reconstruction efforts in Gaza; and Hamas only disarms if Israel commits to a permanent ceasefire (with an enforcement mechanism), and a commitment to work towards a Palestinian state along pre-1967 lines in the next 1-2 years.

Hamas’s “yes, but some points need to be discussed” was a good response to Trump. Trump’s 20 point plan, in its current form, was actually Israel’s plan, and they fully expected Hamas to reject it; as it was so blatantly pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian.

It is a good thing that Hamas has committed to release all hostages, and expressed their desire to leave governance of Gaza, leaving it to a Palestinian technocratic government. However, the matter of disarming (having tunnels destroyed), leaving the Gaza Strip requires further discussion, and further commitment from the US, and enforcement mechanisms on Israel.

For now, it looks like there are no enforcement mechanisms on Israel, and Israel can continue to do what it wants to in Gaza. Like a spoiled child that doesn’t listen to its parent, and the parent is mollycoddling its spoiled child.

 

[RescueRanger]

very well said. Israel's bombing across Lebanon was extremely vicious with > 500 Lebanese killed in a single day then 4000+ Lebanese brutally injured or killed in the terrorist pager strikes. then 200 tons of bombs dropped to kill Nasrallah and his successor. there are limits to what a small militia can do against a regional power like Israel. if they continued then Beirut and every major city south of it would have been flattened like Gaza.

Thing is bro, we really need to up our game in high ticket surveillance, EW warfare and countermeasures and full spectrum dominance.

Its 2025 and not a single Muslim country makes their own OS or microchips or telephony products.

 

[hussain0216]

I believe Hezbollah truly wanted to help Gaza but were not prepared for the level of destruction. It saw their top leadership decimated and Israeli intelligence infiltrated the top of command.

It is also a defensive guerrilla movement and most of Lebanon were not willing to let Hezbollah involve them in a war of this magnitude. It thought it could do a tit for tat with Israel but they miscalculated.

I believe after the page incident, leadership wiped out, level of destruction, etc they were right in pulling out.

As you see in Gaza, Israel would’ve did to Lebanon what it did to Gaza. They dropped out because Israel will genocide the population to force their hand. They saw what was happening to Gaza and they didn’t want that done to Lebanon.

At least they did something along with Yemen. I can’t say the same for our other brethren.

The problem Hezbollah has is that Lebanon is not united behind them, they may have the Lebanese shia support, and some others but that's it

Hezbollah may have the same will to fight as Hamas but the population will then blame them for bringing destruction to Lebanon and do very little to support them

These more then anything forced Hezbollahs hand,

They are still a potent force and are rebuilding but it will take time

The blame is not on Hamas or Hezbollah, the blame is on the surrounding Arab states and GCC for being so gutless



In Afghanistan, the U.S and NATO could easily have destroyed the Taliban and the resistance, if it were not for Pakistan willing to host, control, aid in and support the resistance regardless of the fallout

 

[Persian Gulf]

Thing is bro, we really need to up our game in high ticket surveillance, EW warfare and countermeasures and full spectrum dominance.

Its 2025 and not a single Muslim country makes their own OS or microchips or telephony products.

all the money the Arab sheikhdoms have and they rather compete against each other to see who can invest the most into the US to please Trump than to work together to build domestic industries ...

Turkey-Pakistan-Iran-Saudi Arabia-Qatar have everything they need to build these industries. each can contribute different parts (industrial base, human capital, money, etc). but they remain divided and weak (and some loyal to the US over their brothers).

 

[PakistanLVR]

Thing is bro, we really need to up our game in high ticket surveillance, EW warfare and countermeasures and full spectrum dominance.

Its 2025 and not a single Muslim country makes their own OS or microchips or telephony products.

received your comment on my thread. Understood what you meant.

As for the OS, the issue is capital to sustain those companies. Let's say if a company arises in the Islamic world, due to their greed and lack of typical Muslim long-term strategy, these ultra capitalist short term thinkers would gladly sell their companies to the Z-controlled Western ones. Small companies get bought out easily everyday and then the West proudly claims that Brown and Blacks are low iq and do not produce anything - common trope amongst them.

 

[HAIDER]

well said. Hezbollah and Houthis said the same thing. so Falcon is straight up lying.

Yes, failed to understand his position. Lebanon destroyed, Iran destroy, Yemen destroyed. ...what else ... unthankful .. it is known fact Oct 7 operation started without any planning or someone intentionally push the Palestinian people in the dark hole of horror. Inside job.

 

[RescueRanger]

all the money the Arab sheikhdoms have and they rather compete against each other to see who can invest the most into the US to please Trump than to work together to build domestic industries ...

Turkey-Pakistan-Iran-Saudi Arabia-Qatar have everything they need to build these industries. each other contribute different parts. but they remain divided and weak (and some loyal to the US over their brothers).

Bro I am 1000% serious if a Muslim country today made an fully indigenous mobile phone or laptop with its own OS I would buy it and get everyone I know to buy it.

We need to start thinking big... We rely too much on third party products with backdoor for espionage and vulnerabilities.

I mean if Iran can make advanced ballistic missiles - a mobile phone is child's play - start with simple symbian models and upscale - i would buy an Iranian mobile phone right now.

 

[unconventional]

The problem Hezbollah has is that Lebanon is not united behind them, they may have the Lebanese shia support, and some others but that's it

Hezbollah may have the same will to fight as Hamas but the population will then blame them for bringing destruction to Lebanon and do very little to support them

These more then anything forced Hezbollahs hand,

They are still a potent force and are rebuilding but it will take time

The blame is not on Hamas or Hezbollah, the blame is on the surrounding Arab states and GCC for being so gutless



In Afghanistan, the U.S and NATO could easily have destroyed the Taliban and the resistance, if it were not for Pakistan willing to host, control, aid in and support the resistance regardless of the fallout

Yes, Houthis are empowered in Yemen, because the entire nation supports them and the Palestinian cause.

Hezbollah is part of a fractious Lebanese society, deeply divided in their involvement in Syria, and then in the Israel/Gaza war.

Hezbollah was left devastated with the pager attack, and then the fall of the Assad regime as well in Syria, which served as a useful conduit for them.

Now, most people do not know what is going on behind the scenes in Lebanon/Hezbollah, but if mainstream media is to be believed, most people think Israel utterly decimated Hezbollah and its weapons, and strong armed it to accept the deal.

For me, personally I am skeptical of this narrative. While it is true that Hezbollah suffered a lot from Israel’s aerial campaign, I still do think they have a large amount of weapons still intact.

I think the reason why they took the deal was because they were forced by the Lebanese population to do so. They might have also used this time to regroup, reassess and reorganize. We will see what the truth is in the near future. But I find it hard to believe that Israel’s limited aerial campaign in Lebanon could destroy most of Hezbollah’s weapons: Hezbollah being the most well armed and funded non state actor, far more than the Houthis and Hamas. Hamas has most of its tunnels intact in 2 years of Israeli war, and the Houthis don’t seem to be badly damaged either.