Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

Lebanese Hezbollah did more for Gaza than what the Palestinians in the West Bank, Israel (Israeli Arabs) and Jordan did for their Palestinian brothers/sisters in Gaza.

Think about that.
Agree but Palestinians in West Bank are constantly being raided it isn’t like Lebanon or Gaza where for decades Israel wasn’t raiding them or capturing men women and children and also you have to deal with PA forces keeping Palestinian voices and resistance as quiet as possible, but even with all that they have resisted and still are it might not be at the level of Hezbollah but from small cells to lone wolfs they’re showing they’re still alive and loud even under constant occupation
 
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I did no such thing if that’s what you are insinuating by tagging me.

I can be critical of leaders whose nations have aligned with Israel through the Abraham “peace accords”. I can also criticize the commitment of Arab nations who before October 7 had put Palestine on the back burner as they make deals with our oppressors.

I can also criticize SiSi for helping our colonizer blockade Gaza before October 7 and flooding tunnels to Gaza which was a lifelong for the people there.
You misunderstood my post I believe. My entire message and post was directed to you and @Falcon29 (an old friend of mine from the old PDF) as I do not know any other Palestinians on this forum and it was a general message aimed at some of the posts that I saw in this thread in recent days. I was banned for 48 hours in this thread so I had no access earlier. Hence I wanted to make 1 large reply.

I am all for open critique of Arab leadership, power-sharing agreements and I have no obsession with any leadership. I am not one of those many Arab drones that are blindly supporting their leadership, favorite political party/movement, cleric or whatever they are doing nowadays. All I care about in this regard is the general well-being and progress of KSA, the Arab world as a whole (Muslim World too) and if I see that countries have success with regime x or y or system x or y, I am not politically obsessed in regards to opposing them because they are not monarchies, or are monarchies, or are ruled by party x or y, left or right or don't share my beliefs fully. I believe that most sane Arabs have the same opinion.

I also don't take sides between Fatah, Hamas or any Palestinian factions whether left or right-leaning or Islamic.

I have my own personal opinions that do not matter in the wider picture (well-being of our countries, peoples, society and for our progress on all fronts) which are rooted in our Islamic and Arab identity but that is about it. I openly criticize GCC policies here (anyone reading my posts can confirm it) as well as criticizing things that KSA, MBS or others of power are doing that I do not agree with. No blind support for any regime from my part or factions or groups. I was anti-Al-Assad regime in Syria (for tons of reasons) but I do not have a blind following of the new regime in Syria and I will criticize them equally if I think that they are doing things wrong. In fact I have already done that earlier.

Same with Houthis, I like their attacks against the Zionists (even though they unfortunately do not change much on the ground) but equally I can be critical of their internal politics within North Yemen, their destructive role in the Yemeni civil war (KSA was not perfect either but that is another topic and Yemen would need to be discussed here separately - I have done that here earlier as well and given my views openly) etc. Same with Hezbollah. I can have respect for the average Hezbollah foot soldier (no animosity from me here regardless of different sect, political outlook, alliances, at the end of the day we are both people of the region and fellow Arabs and Muslims at the end of the day) but I can be critical of their overly Iran-regime aligned leadership or the policies of Nasrallah in regards to Syria, KSA, Yemen, captagon (drug trade), corruption, undermining official Lebanese state and elsewhere. Other things and policies of his, I agreed with.

My point is that not everything is black and white but mostly very complicated and multi-faceted.

Same thing with 7th of October, to this day I don't know whether the gains were worth the cost (not for me to state this - only local Gazans) but I cannot deny the basic right of self-determination, Jihad against oppressors (Zionists) etc.

I don't subscribe to the entire theory of Hamas being a Mossad/Israeli creation to limit the power of Fatah and divide the Palestinian society. Maybe some elements where (every group is corruptible, let alone family, look who killed King Faisal), but such blanket statements cannot be taken seriously.

Anyway, all I can say is that the ineptitude of the Muslim leadership and world in regards to Palestine is a very good picture of the current state of the Muslim World which is still recovering for decades of conflict, division, wars, lack of unity and before that centuries of being behind the West. In fact I would claim ever since the Mongols sacked Baghdad in 1258. At least much of the Arab and Muslim World for certain.

We average people cannot do more than prayers, sympathy, monetary donations, helping the Palestinians we know etc.

And for whatever reasons our leaders/countries do not want to or do not dare to attack Israel outright for fear of nukes, the US military power or fear of turning into another Gaza. This unfortunately is the sad reality of us currently.

Hopefully a new determined and braver generation of Gazans will emerge from the rubble and help lead the Arab and Muslim World towards doing the necessary changes.

Anyway, if you ask me, the "easiest" solution is for our countries and leaders and people to focus on STEM and education. Only way forward to achieve technological and economic parity.

At the end of the day, it is always about the same thing in terms of power projecting. Money and how long a stick/powerful a stick (technology - weapons) you can use to kill/harm/defeat your enemy. That was also the case during the Neolithic era as much as it is the case in 2025. Just other means/tech but the underlining ideas are the same and human nature have changed very little as well.

Sorry for the long post, I will end it here. @RescueRanger
 
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You misunderstood my post I believe. My entire message and post was directed to you and @Falcon29 (an old friend of mine from the old PDF) as I do not know any other Palestinians on this forum and it was a general message aimed at some of the posts that I saw in this thread in recent days. I was banned for 48 hours in this thread so I had no access earlier. Hence I wanted to make 1 large reply.

I am all for open critique of Arab leadership, power-sharing agreements and I have no obsession with any leadership. I am not one of those many Arab drones that are blindly supporting their leadership, favorite political power, cleric or whatever they are doing nowadays. All I care about in this regard is the general well-being and progress of KSA, the Arab world as a whole (Muslim World too) and if I see that countries have success with regime x or y or system x or y, I am not politically obsessed in regards to opposing them because they are not monarchies, or are monarchies, or are ruled by party x or y, left or right or don't share my beliefs fully. I believe that most sane Arabs have the same opinion.

I also don't take sides between Fatah, Hamas or any Palestinian factions whether left or right-leaning or Islamic.

I have my own personal opinions that do not matter in the wider picture (well-being of our countries, peoples, society and for our progress on all fronts) which are rooted in our Islamic and Arab identity but that is about it. I openly criticize GCC policies here (anyone reading my posts can confirm it) as well as criticizing things that KSA, MBS or others of power are doing that I do not agree with. No blind support for any regime from my part or factions or groups. I was anti-Al-Assad regime in Syria (for tons of reasons) but I do not have a blind following of the new regime in Syria and I will criticize them equally if I think that they are doing things wrong. In fact I have already done that earlier.

Same with Houthis, I like their attacks against the Zionists (even though they unfortunately do not change much on the ground) but equally I can be critical of their internal politics within North Yemen, their destructive role in the Yemeni civil war (KSA was not perfect either but that is another topic and Yemen would need to be discussed here separately - I have done that here earlier as well and given my views openly) etc. Same with Hezbollah. I can have respect for the average Hezbollah foot soldier (no animosity from me here regardless of different sect, political outlook, alliances, at the end of the day we are both people of the region and fellow Arabs and Muslims at the end of the day) but I can be critical of their overly Iran-regime aligned leadership or the policies of Nasrallah in regards to Syria, KSA, Yemen, captagon (drug trade), corruption, undermining official Lebanese state and elsewhere. Other things and policies of his, I agreed with.

My point is that not everything is black and white but mostly very complicated and multi-faceted.

Same thing with 7th of October, to this day I don't know whether the gains were worth the cost (not for me to state this - only local Gazans) but I cannot deny the basic right of self-determination, Jihad against oppressors (Zionists) etc.

I don't subscribe to the entire theory of Hamas being a Mossad/Israeli creation to limit the power of Fatah and divide the Palestinian society. Maybe some elements where (every group is corruptible, let alone family, look who killed King Faisal), but such blanket statements cannot be taken seriously.

Anyway, all I can say is that the ineptitude of the Muslim leadership and world in regards to Palestine is a very good picture of the current state of the Muslim World which is still recovering for decades of conflict, division, wars, lack of unity and before that centuries of being behind the West. In fact I would claim ever since the Mongols sacked Baghdad in 1258. At least much of the Arab and Muslim World for certain.

We average people cannot do more than prayers, sympathy, monetary donations, helping the Palestinians we know etc.

And for whatever reasons our leaders/countries do not want to or do not dare to attack Israel outright for fear of nukes, the US military power or fear of turning into another Gaza. This unfortunately is the sad reality of us currently.

Hopefully a new determined and braver generation of Gazans will emerge from the rubble and help lead the Arab and Muslim World towards doing the necessary changes.

Anyway, if you ask me, the "easiest" solution is for our countries and leaders and people to focus on STEM and education. Only way forward to achieve technological and economic parity.

At the end of the day, it is always about the same thing in terms of power projecting. Money and how long a stick/powerful a stick (technology - weapons) you can use to kill/harm/defeat your enemy. That was also the case during the Neolithic era as much as it is the case in 2025. Just other means/tech but the underlining ideas are the same and human nature have changed very little as well.

Sorry for the long post, I will end it here. @RescueRanger
That’s what I thought, I just wanted to confirm.

This Gaza genocide has shown that non-state actors are useless when the intent of an enemy is to genocide a civilian population.

The Arab and Muslim world as a whole need strong state militaries not depended on foreign countries. As long as this exists, we will be at the mercy of our enemies.
 
That’s what I thought, I just wanted to confirm.

This Gaza genocide has shown that non-state actors are useless when the intent of an enemy is to genocide a civilian population.

The Arab and Muslim world as a whole need strong state militaries not depended on foreign countries. As long as this exists, we will be at the mercy of our enemies.
Well said.
 
...The Global Sumud Flotilla had set out to break Israel’s illegal blockade on Gaza and deliver humanitarian aid to the enclave. The Israeli army attacked the flotilla, seizing dozens of boats and arresting hundreds of activists.
The Israeli naval blockade of Gaza is legal. The U.N. said so back in 2011. Details: link.
 
And thread banned again
to be fair I didn’t even know who you banned lol I have him on ignore lol btw I have been trying to figure this out Pakistani flag Israeli flag is he pretending to be Pakistani but admires Israel I’m assuming he’s just a Zionist from America who want step foot in Israel for fear of being sent to Gaza or West Bank
 
to be fair I didn’t even know who you banned lol I have him on ignore lol btw I have been trying to figure this out Pakistani flag Israeli flag is he pretending to be Pakistani but admires Israel I’m assuming he’s just a Zionist from America who want step foot in Israel for fear of being sent to Gaza or West Bank
Just ignore him. Not worth the effort.
 
to be fair I didn’t even know who you banned lol I have him on ignore lol btw I have been trying to figure this out Pakistani flag Israeli flag is he pretending to be Pakistani but admires Israel I’m assuming he’s just a Zionist from America who want step foot in Israel for fear of being sent to Gaza or West Bank
There was a Jewish community in the subcontinent, even in Pakistan. I think most have now migrated abroad. He might be from that community and joined Hasbara projects.
 

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