Israel is itching to go to war with Turkiye and Egypt

[_Arabia_]

@Desert BTW, Turkish and Israeli deep states are likely not at odds at all. If they truly were Turkiye and Israel would have long ago stopped diplomatic ties. Economic, military (intelligence likely occurs as well) ties are intact not to mention the Israeli-Azerbaijani-Turkish relations.

Erdogan has to maneuver a domestic audience that, much like most of the Arab and Muslim world, (at least half in Turkiye), are heavily against Israeli war crimes in Palestine and behavior in the region.

Main fault line in Turkiye are the "Kemalists" vs "Islamists and citizens in large cities vs rural population.

But those divisions like every other in the world are diminishing everywhere as people are getting more and more similar everywhere regardless of country due to globalization, social media, technology etc.

At the same time Turkiye is deeply ingrained with the West economically, military, NATO etc.

The reality is also that Israel is here to stay (most likely) and that we need to find some way of coexistence eventually once a solution to Palestine can be found.

Do not forget that Israel is basically an Arab country ethnically. 20% of the population is Arab (Palestinians, Bedouins included, Druze) Israeli and 2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews originally from Morocco, Yemen (many "Yemeni" Jews are originally from South KSA), Egypt, Syrian, Libyan, Iraqi etc.

In short if the region wants to truly develop, outside of a few small pockets in the region (GCC and Turkiye mostly), economic cooperation must increase and a EU-like model must be copied to avoid stupid conflicts. No other way.

 

[Lulldapull]

They couldnt do this to Iran I cant see how they can do against Turks

AL-Turkiya is run by them Jews. Iran is not right?

 

[PK781]

In many many ways, Egypt and Pakistan are very similar. Both ruled by the military using proxy govts.
Both peoples have similar issues and lives.

 

[Pakistan First]

I am amazed how this thread is still going on ?

Turkey Versus Israel, Youtuber's fantasy. Its Nothing but a theatrics

Let me explain why Turkey Versus Israel is not going to happen in foreseeable future. In our lifetimes they both will keep close contact and trade relations as they are enjoying today.

Mr. Erdogan and some Israeli leaders do say some stuff for local political consumption that's all. There's no practical element in that. Otherwise as Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, Turkey could have done a very few basic "soft" steps at minimum. Just forget about actual military confrontation, they could done few basic "practical" steps and not just stupid rhetoric. Here's what they could have easily done if they really mean what they say:

1- Could have ended diplomatic relations - Turks did nothing.
2- Could have stopped oil supply / route to Israel. The oil which literally fueled Israel's wars. - Turks did nothing.

So, when they do absolutely nothing in practical terms how we can even assume that there will be actual war between two distant allies? There's not even a remote possibility of that. We have to always remember that Turkey is in a closest military alliance with west (US and EU) - the NATO. NATO and Israel are practically at the same side. There's more chances that Turks and Israelis will be at the same side fighting any future war. For-example if WW3 breaks out and China, Russia and North Korea gets into war with US and NATO. Then Turkey and Israel will be at the same side.

So let's not take mere political statements as reality of the ground. We must see what's actually happening on the ground. Turks are practically allies of Israel, a NATO country with US troops and bases. The US assets protect Israel. The only nation on earth that actually did something in their capacity against genocide in Gaza was Yemen. They fire Ballistic missiles on Israel from time to time only because of Gaza. Unlike even Iran which retaliated only when Israel attacked Iran first. But the yemeni houthis attacked Israel only for Gaza. Then most importantly they kept hitting shipping lanes in red sea and they categorically kept saying that calm in Gaza means calm in red sea. They were doing everything they could for 1000 miles away unarmed muslims being slaughtered by Israel. They are most selfless people ever. No other nation did a thing. Turks and some of arab nations kept diplomatic / trade relations while the genocide was carrying out.

I think, its time to stop discussing Turkish military equipment marketing specs versus Israel's war machine. As in fantasy world they might face off. Not in real world.

 

[PK781]

I am amazed how this thread is still going on ?

Turkey Versus Israel, Youtuber's fantasy. Its Nothing but a theatrics

Let me explain why Turkey Versus Israel is not going to happen in foreseeable future. In our lifetimes they both will keep close contact and trade relations as they are enjoying today.

Mr. Erdogan and some Israeli leaders do say some stuff for local political consumption that's all. There's no practical element in that. Otherwise as Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, Turkey could have done a very few basic "soft" steps at minimum. Just forget about actual military confrontation, they could done few basic "practical" steps and not just stupid rhetoric. Here's what they could have easily done if they really mean what they say:

1- Deny air traffic / air space to Israeli airliners. Or any airline that is coming from Israel to be banned at Turkish airspace. But Turkey did nothing of such sort.
2- Could have stopped trade relations - Turkey did nothing
3- Could have ended diplomatic relations - Turks did nothing.
4- Could have stopped oil supply / route to Israel. The oil which literally fueled Israel's wars. - Turks did nothing.

So, when they do absolutely nothing in practical terms how we can even assume that there will be actual war between two distant allies? There's not even a remote possibility of that. We have to always remember that Turkey is in a closest military alliance with west (US and EU) - the NATO. NATO and Israel are practically at the same side. There's more chances that Turks and Israelis will be at the same side fighting any future war. For-example if WW3 breaks out and China, Russia and North Korea gets into war with US and NATO. Then Turkey and Israel will be at the same side.

So let's not take mere political statements as reality of the ground. We must see what's actually happening on the ground. Turks are practically allies of Israel, a NATO country with US troops and bases. The US assets protect Israel. The only nation on earth that actually did something in their capacity against genocide in Gaza was Yemen. They fire Ballistic missiles on Israel from time to time only because of Gaza. Unlike even Iran which retaliated only when Israel attacked Iran first. But the yemeni houthis attacked Israel only for Gaza. Then most importantly they kept hitting shipping lanes in red sea and they categorically kept saying that calm in Gaza means calm in red sea. They were doing everything they could for 1000 miles away unarmed muslims being slaughtered by Israel. They are most selfless people ever. No other nation did a thing. Turks and some of arab nations kept diplomatic / trade relations while the genocide was carrying out.

I think, its time to stop discussing Turkish military equipment marketing specs versus Israel's war machine. As in fantasy world they might face off. Not in real world.

When shit will hit the fan in Mideast, even the Turkish govt won’t be able to stop it, and if they are actively aiding the zionists existence with all goods and trade, will they not get divine punishment ??
Can they keep on doing what they’re doing without consequences??

Do u think there are no divine intervention or punishment for siding with the zionists (by giving them oil, fuel, food, trade etc).

 

[Pakistan First]

When shit will hit the fan in Mideast, even the Turkish govt won’t be able to stop it, and if they are actively aiding the zionists existence with all goods and trade, will they not get divine punishment ??
Can they keep on doing what they’re doing without consequences??

Do u think there are no divine intervention or punishment for siding with the zionists (by giving them oil, fuel, food, trade etc).

Honestly, no. there's no divine intervention. That's why judgement day is for.

Why do you think Almighty would intervene for some people when everyone has to be judged on judgement day?

There was no divine intervention for even Prophet's Grandson and his 70 family members and children being slaughtered. There's no divine intervention when tens of thousands of children being bombed, trapped under the rubble, scratching the concrete, screaming for hours and getting killed due to pain and injuries. There's no divine intervention when even 4 year old little girls being r-ped and brutally murdered across the world. One such event happened in Pakistan few years back when her Parents were doing Hajj.

So stop relying on divine intervention. We are nothing but a dust particle in vastness of the universe. There could be million more civilizations out there in universe, why we think we so special that we will be "helped" during the exam.

 

[PakAl]

@Lulldapull @MS Sandhu

You guys are telling each other about "converted". I never understood this mentality. Why to feel offended about it ? At some point in time our ancestors did converted to Islam. Someone's ancestors might have converted 800 years ago, other's might have converted 200 years ago. But each and single soul in Pakistan today should accept the fact that our ancestors were hindus or whatever religion was present in our regions. We are not arabs. Whichever arabs (or even arab armies) came in whatever period of time they represented only a fraction or perhaps 0.00001% of total population of the region. So probability that someone is decendant of arabs is virtually none. BTW, even arabs are all 100% converted. Even the first muslim (other than the Prophet himself) was converted too. Everyone accepted Islam.

Now I tell you why it should be proud thing to know that you all are converted. Because having courage to accept a different faith from your father and ancestors is a big deal. Nobody change faith out of fear. In india, Islam spread solely on basis of Dawah. The afghan invaders only stopped the spread of islam as they never came for Dawah but came to loot and rape. So people only stopped converting seeing Afghan invaders otherwise whole of india would have been muslim today. A practical example is indonesia and malaysia. Both converted to islam solely on basis of Dawah. There was not a single conquest of these lands by muslim armies.

So feel proud that at some point in history your ancestor converted. Otherwise how on earth you'd be what you are today. Be proud on indus valley civilization, be proud on the name india, hind, hindustan, indian ocean and all are derived from indus valley civilization which is our ancient history. Pakistan is home to indus valley civilization. Which is by far the ancient civilization of india.

Arabs also used to worship idols so they are also converts, only the Hanif people used to worship Allah almighty. Its normally racist GCC people who mock us for being converts, the arab nationalists who look down on us.